Guns

Post by **krimsonviper** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:39 am

Is there a good website that breaks down info like which guns are reliable, with great handling, and ammo info? New to the concept, and I've noticed that there are some enthusiasts in here. Looking to buy one. Particularly a hand gun

Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:28 am

http://www.chuckhawks.com

Pay for a month, read the whole damn site.

Then, go to a gun show. Get your paws on every gun that meets your criteria you can find. Get the one that feels the best.

Edit: Saw you're from California; good luck!

Post by **aris_unlimited** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:28 am

Gunandgame.com

I go to this forum occasionally for my gun needs. They are pretty knowledgeable.

As for particular guns. you should go to a range try out a few different handguns that fit your hand well. Shoot them, see if you like them. And then ask about that particular model.

Post by **r34 gtr** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 8:32 am

You guys are playing with guns?! Guns are .......well, dammit, they're cool.

Post by **krimsonviper** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:13 am

r34 gtr wrote:You guys are playing with guns?! Guns are .......well, dammit, they're cool.

+1!

charlieo wrote:Edit: Saw you're from California; good luck!

Whats that mean? are there special laws here in cali?

Post by **srpowered240sx** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 9:20 am

r34 gtr wrote:You guys are playing with guns?!

yes, well, we are men. all the suggestions have been good so far.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 10:43 am

Absolushun wrote:
+1!

Whats that mean? are there special laws here in cali?

Well then, you're in for a surprise!

Yes, there are tons of retarded, un-Constitutional laws in California concerning weapons.

Post by **krimsonviper** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:57 am

charlieo wrote:
Well then, you're in for a surprise!

Yes, there are tons of retarded, un-Constitutional laws in California concerning weapons.

See, the only problem I see, is that handguns arent allowed to accept magazines that can carry more than 10 rounds. I dont care much for assault rifles, even though they are bad a$$, i just dont see my need for it. I wouldnt mind a shotgun or a rifle, but thats going to be another time from now. I'm just looking at hand guns, and the glock is starting to be my choice. The S&W is sweet also, so's the sig, but Im still leaning toward the glock 22 or 17.

Post by **Mr1der** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 11:59 am

Cali laws suck something fierce.

how much are you willing to spend on a handgun is a big factor too.

you can get a nice gun for 3-400 honestly..just gotta look.

actually...go over to the Great Outdoors forum and look for the thread Dano started concerning a first gun.

good info in that beast.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:04 pm

Absolushun wrote:
See, the only problem I see, is that handguns arent allowed to accept magazines that can carry more than 10 rounds. I dont care much for assault rifles, even though they are bad a$$, i just dont see my need for it. I wouldnt mind a shotgun or a rifle, but thats going to be another time from now. I'm just looking at hand guns, and the glock is starting to be my choice. The S&W is sweet also, so's the sig, but Im still leaning toward the glock 22 or 17.

Springfield XD > GlockSupersoaker > S&W

Sig's cost serious coinCZ is another great optionTaurus has some good ones too

I was shopping for a .40 S&W recently. Bought a FNP 40. Felt great, got great reviews. 14 round mags FTW.

Post by **Repo Man** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:07 pm

charlieo wrote:Glock > Springfield XD

Fixed that for you.

Post by **krimsonviper** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:09 pm

Mr1der wrote:Cali laws suck something fierce.

how much are you willing to spend on a handgun is a big factor too.

you can get a nice gun for 3-400 honestly..just gotta look.

actually...go over to the Great Outdoors forum and look for the thread Dano started concerning a first gun.

good info in that beast.

f'in sweet imma check that out now

im willing to spend a pretty penny for my 1st gun. i was thinking around that price range too...actually a little higher something like 3-500.

Post by **Mr1der** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:09 pm

Repo Man wrote:
****ed that for you.

Post by **Mr1der** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:11 pm

hell...because of the retarded Cali mag ban...I almost wanna suggest a 1911...but I dunno...it's not the best first gun.

you looking for something to just shoot for fun?

can't go wrong with a nice revolver...357 like maybe a Smith or Ruger GP.

Post by **srpowered240sx** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:20 pm

Absolushun wrote:
See, the only problem I see, is that handguns arent allowed to accept magazines that can carry more than 10 rounds. I dont care much for assault rifles, even though they are bad a$$, i just dont see my need for it. I wouldnt mind a shotgun or a rifle, but thats going to be another time from now. I'm just looking at hand guns, and the glock is starting to be my choice. The S&W is sweet also, so's the sig, but Im still leaning toward the glock 22 or 17.

trust me, the over 10 round clip thing is easy to get around. and the law says you can have them, just cant purchase them in cali.

Post by **Repo Man** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 12:25 pm

Mr1der wrote:hell...because of the retarded Cali mag ban...I almost wanna suggest a 1911...but I dunno...it's not the best first gun.

you looking for something to just shoot for fun?

can't go wrong with a nice revolver...357 like maybe a Smith or Ruger GP.

The 1911 is definitely NOT a good choice for a first gun. Can't go wrong with a solid .357 revolver though.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:03 pm

Repo Man wrote:
The 1911 is definitely NOT a good choice for a first gun. Can't go wrong with a solid .357 revolver though.

I know you can put .38 into a .357 revolver, but seriously, for a first timer?

The people I teach to shoot learn the basics on a decades old Hi-Standard target .22. Which I love. Great trigger, ammo is cheaper than dirt.

Post by **bobotech** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:07 pm

People who own guns are weird.

Post by **krimsonviper** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:11 pm

Mr1der wrote:hell...because of the retarded Cali mag ban...I almost wanna suggest a 1911...but I dunno...it's not the best first gun.

you looking for something to just shoot for fun?

can't go wrong with a nice revolver...357 like maybe a Smith or Ruger GP.

well i looked at the thread dano started and his thoughts are exactly like mine. Cool/technical looking, first time buyer/shooter, and house security, and i live with my parents so im hoping to protect them. i was almost finished with the 1st page when i decided to come back here. im looking at the .40. i believe its glocks 22 iirc. i was also looking into a snub nose simply because they look so freaking good, but i've become biased toward the glock because of its looks and durability.

srpowered240sx wrote:trust me, the over 10 round clip thing is easy to get around. and the law says you can have them, just cant purchase them in cali.

man that clip is rediculous! lol. i was reading the law and its says you cant transfer them here in cali, but i might have read it wrong. I really want a clip that hold like 15 rounds, and when i read you cant have more than a 10 round clip i was like "wtf?!?" where'd you get that thing anyway?

And speaking of high powered hand guns, whats considered to be a magnum, and what makes it so freakin' powerful?

Modified by Absolushun at 4:36 PM 3/26/2008

Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:16 pm

Absolushun wrote:
And speaking of high powered hand guns, whats considered to be a magnum, and what makes it so freakin' powerful?

The round is named "Magnum"

.357 Magnum and .44 Magnum are perhaps the most famous. The .357 is made from a lengthed .38 Special case (still common), the .44 made from a lengthened .44 Special case (pretty much extinct)

Basically, they've got very long shells that hold a lot of powder.

Post by **krimsonviper** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 1:38 pm

i thought as much, but since i didnt know i didnt want to say so. The .45 couldnt be considered "magnum" simply because it doesnt have so much powder in them? i always thought it was the caliber of bullet

edit- i want a laser sight on it as well, any thoughts?

Post by **Mr1der** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 2:08 pm

magnum by no means is a measure of power.

it was just a selling gimmick...good name for the round.

10mm shoots as hard as .357 Magnum...as does the .357 Sig.

a .45 Long Colt can be loaded pretty damn hot too.

for a beginner..I'd recommend a 9mm or .40 cal honestly...or a 22lr to get accustom to shooting.

there's a good selection of both 22 auto and revolvers out there.

I wanna get a Ruger MKIII in the near future.

Post by **Desmoquattro** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:46 pm

You think Cali is bad?

I'm going to get my restricted firearms certification here in Canada so I can get a handgun for target shooting. I need to take a course (optional) and then write a test and pay 80$ to the government. If I pass the test I get a 5 year possession and aquisition license for restricted firearms.

Restricted firearms are full sized handguns, revolvers, short barreled rifles, and automatic rifles permanently converted to semi-auto. Max capacity of a handgun is 10 rounds, max capacity for a rifle is 5.

PROHIBITED firearms are small handguns (which includes almost all .22 - .25s, it's because they are easy to conceal), auto weapons, submachine guns whether auto or not. You cannot get these unless you work for the police or military.

It gets better.

Once I get the gun I register it at my place of residence. For the gun to leave my place of residence, under any circumstances, I need to apply for a transport permit. If I make regular trips to the range, I get a 3 year permit to take it to a specific location. This isn't a carry-concel permit, it's a permit to physically move my gun outside the door of my house, and it's supposed to be in a locked case with a locked trigger at all times when moving it.

I'm probably picking up a Norinco 1911 Government, they are about 330$ Canadian and get good reviews for accuracy and reliability. Fit and finish isn't great but for that price I can get it custom 'smithed. Too bad you guys can't buy Chinese guns, they are cheap cheap cheap and not that bad. They make SIG, Tokarev and CZ replicas as well as .45 and 9x19 1911s. Most are under 300$. I'd like a Beretta 92fs but they are hard to come by up here unless you find an ex-law enforcement one.

Post by **Repo Man** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:52 pm

charlieo wrote:
I know you can put .38 into a .357 revolver, but seriously, for a first timer?

Absolutely. There is no law that says you have to shoot full-house loads in a .357. Start with the .38s and work your way up. To buy a .38 makes no sense to me, unless it's a snubby or collector piece. Why limit yourself? There is no reason for it.

charlieo wrote:
...the .44 made from a lengthened .44 Special case (pretty much extinct)

Basically, they've got very long shells that hold a lot of powder.

It's not true that the .44 Special is nearly extinct. Thunder Ranch recently had Smith & Wesson build a .44 Special revolver that was a Thunder Ranch special edition. Charter Arms has had the Bulldog snub for a long time now, also chambered for .44 Special. There are others, but those are the two that come to mind just off the cuff.

One other thing that makes a magnum a magnum is that it's not just the amount of powder that is crammed into the casing, but the pressures at which a magnum round operates. Any given round is measured in "CUP", or copper units of pressure as dictated by SAAMI. I can't remember exactly what SAAMI stands for without looking it up, but basically they're the sanctioning body that dictates what's safe and what isn't for any given round. Magnum rounds have higher pressures than standard rounds, so there is a real difference, it's not just a marketing scheme.

Sorry James, but a full-house 10mm hits as hard as a .41 Magnum, which is considerably more powerful than a .357 Magnum. The .40 and .357 SIG are ballistic equals to the .357 Mag and even a +P+ 9mm can equal a lighter .357 Mag load, even though it's not technically a magnum round.

Absolushun wrote:edit- i want a laser sight on it as well, any thoughts?

http://www.crimsontrace.com all day long.

Post by **JimmyMethod** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 3:59 pm

*twitching as people call magazines 'clips'*

For gun info... I'd advise picking James's, Bobotech's, and Repo's brains.

Wed Mar 26, 2008 5:38 pm

JimmyMethod wrote:*twitching as people call magazines 'clips'*

+1

Post by **aris_unlimited** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:27 pm

JimmyMethod wrote:*twitching as people call magazines 'clips'*

Lol that just made me think of my firearms training when I went through the academy. Anytime someone refered to their magazines as clips they were punished.

Punishments varied.

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 6:59 pm

I carry an HK USP Compact in .357 Sig

You should learn on a good sized caliber. .22 just causes you to develop skills based on a false sense of what a gun is. You should learn on at least a .32 or larger firearm.

A Glock 19 would be a good start for just about anyone. Excellent capacity, reliability, and it's a nominal frame size. They are also cheap.

One thing you need to look into is the cost of ammo. 9mm is much cheaper than the other choices, and would allow you to do more practice. .22 LR is dirt cheap, but does not help you in my opinion.

James is an idiot for suggesting .40 to a new shooter. That round is a bit hot and would just lead to flinching issues. It's harder to control than .45, 9mm, etc. Remember it's not the size of the bullet, it's the pressure and overall frame weight fed through the recoil spring that gives kick and muzzle flip.

Post by **cflanagan** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:10 pm

In a handgun the police issue 9mm is top flight for reliability but dont get a mexican version.

Post by **Nismo_Freak** » Wed Mar 26, 2008 7:18 pm

cflanagan wrote:In a handgun the police issue 9mm is top flight for reliability but dont get a mexican version.

The hell did you just type?

Police use a wide variety of firearms, alot of them chose to carry their own personal firearms rather than dept. issued ones.

The police are also a poor standard to judge firearms by. A good number of LEO's shoot once a year at their qual's and that's it, to those guys it's just another tool on the belt. There are some gun nuts that have good advice in the LEO community however.

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