gti-r intake manifold?

Post by **Tastyratz** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

hey, long time lurker first time poster. i did some searching but information on the gti-r motor is scarce, so i thought id ask. can the gti-r intake manifold be obtained and made to use on a regular red top sr20det? individual throttle bodies would be nice. would it be too expensive to be worth it? or would it just be better to get the greddy. is there a good enough benefit to warrant the purchases of either?

Post by **SmithSR** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Tasty, there might be a couple of examples floating around the internet, but keep in mind the facility/machining tools/$$ costly trial & error/time consuming of mating and tuning such an intake. IMHO, more trouble and more costly than it's worth. Tuning a project such as this would take your fun daily driver and potentially turn it into a headache on wheels.

Good for the "rare stuff you don't see everyday" kind of points though:D just not too practical.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Do a search on Freshalloy, someone there did it not that long ago.

Also, EFI tuning sells a ITB kit for SR20's...comes with a fuel rail for top mount injectors too IIRC...the plenum is seperate though, but would obviously be required for a turbo'd motor and is available.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

seems that i saw a thread just like this earlier today.. Even had the link to the FA thread.. however it has disappeared..

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...64684

Here's the efi peice...the seller is a distributor and you can contact him if you are interested.

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Seriously, what kinda gains are you going to see from that to warrent the cost?

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Sweeeeeeeeeeeet!:yummy

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Cyberkreig wrote:Seriously, what kinda gains are you going to see from that to warrent the cost?

?

Depends on mods and tuning...but I don't really know since I don't know anyone that's done it! Are you asking about the advantages of ITB's in general?

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

ITB's inclosed in a surge tank on turbo applications, yes

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Throttle response definately...top end increase too...

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

$1000 worth?

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Eh...if you got the dough, why not?

For me, hell no!:pface

Post by **Tastyratz** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

well i got the post off of fresh alloy as i was directed, thank you for your help dori. for everyone else the thread can be found here: http://forums.freshalloy.com/u...87683

now to me that doesnt sound like its alot of work. im a machinist and i have access to a few different shops to do my work. id need to see some sort of detailed pictures with some sort of drawings or something to fully understand the task id be undertaking. id also need to know where the hell id get a gti-r manifold from cheap enough to warrant this. a throttle cable is much more that rediculously easy to make out of some stainless cable.

i also just noticed the link below the picture on fresh alloy to http://www.jenvey.co.uk/ now this place sells what appears to me as an intake manifold w/ itbs for 205 uk pounds which is about 335 us$ they also have a distributer in the us so it makes me wonder if that would be the best cheaper solution, and that looks to be awesome. thats probabbly what id imagine myself paying for the gti-r manifold anyways if not mroe, what do you guys think?

Post by **Dori Dori** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

I don't think that's a kit price, I think you have to buy everything seperately...hmmm Send them an email and find out. I'd like to know.

Oh, and thanks for the links.

Post by **Movingviolation240** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Noah did it, the results were less than great. It took a lot of work (as described in FA) and at the end of the day he ended up switching back to the stock settup. Maybe if you had some sort of management system like a Haltech or even a Power FC you could make enough changes to have it work right.

I think the theory is good but in application it just isn't pretty.

Paul

Post by **Cyberkreig** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

<-- Still thinks someone should adapt the QR's Variable Length intake runners for the SR

Post by **Tastyratz** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

yea i know noah did it, but he did the gti-r route and didnt go with the premade kit by jenvey. i wonder what thats like. it looks to me like it stops at the throttle bodies though and id need a custom sheetmetal special touch to finish it, unless it could be adapted into a stock manifold. i wonder why he didnt use it? short on cash or something? it seems like a good idea and the throttle response must be a plus so i wonder why he wouldnt want it.

BTW i just thought of something else. people are saying that the gti-r manifold has to be cut and flipped, right? would that be because of the right hand drive problem? because the cable would be coming from the other side? because theres a much easier fix to this if thats the only problem. why bother chopping everything when it would be very easy to just make a longer cable and make something to adapt it? for example, why not make something like a pulley on a bracket that would reverse the pull direction? or just get some thick walled bent aluminum piping that bolted to the manifold in some way? something creative like that i would imagine to be much easier. would someone inform me if thats the only restriction or is there actually some sort of clearance issue?

Post by **pgt892** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Tastyratz wrote:people are saying that the gti-r manifold has to be cut and flipped, right? would that be because of the right hand drive problem? because the cable would be coming from the other side? because theres a much easier fix to this if thats the only problem. why bother chopping everything when it would be very easy to just make a longer cable and make something to adapt it? for example, why not make something like a pulley on a bracket that would reverse the pull direction? or just get some thick walled bent aluminum piping that bolted to the manifold in some way? something creative like that i would imagine to be much easier. would someone inform me if thats the only restriction or is there actually some sort of clearance issue?

It has to be cut and flipped because it hits the firewall otherwise.

Post by **Tastyratz** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

damn. you ruined my fun.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Cyberkreig wrote:seems that i saw a thread just like this earlier today.. Even had the link to the FA thread.. however it has disappeared..

yea i linked it earlier yesterday....i believe it was deleted by the moderators for some strange moderator reason...try ta be helpful and get shi..tted on ya know

Post by **Tastyratz** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

i wish there was an easier way to do this. if i could come by one of those manifolds cheap then its possible id give it a go. im undecided as of now though. i should probabbly buy the car first! he he. i have a friend whos buddy is selling a preswapped 240 s13 which im gonna try to pick up this week.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

If it means anything to you, the biggest names in the 240/180/silvia SR20det tuning industry, stateside and abroad do NOT use individual throttle bodies, and go w/ a quality intake manifold.

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

ill take ya one step further. itbs and individual turbos! so what about the cost, youll have like $400 extra from not buying a manifold. just the small amount of fab to have each cyl on it own turbo.

lol at my own j/k

Post by **Tastyratz** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

lol s13.

Post by **SmithSR** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003....html

The pictures in the link will own your soul for apprx. 2 days.

-Phil

Post by **Tastyratz** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

:creams himself:

Website · Post by **s13sr20chris** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

ok yeah, that is pretty cool.

Post by **DJ_SpaRky** » Wed Jul 09, 2003 8:51 am

Tastyratz wrote::creams himself:

Ditto.

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