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So. When I got my S14, the prev owner put on tokico blues and tanabe lowering springs, and G35 rims, so all was great. Blew out a tire in Nov, so I get new Falken 452s, 245/45/17's. All was well. So now I get a flat and once again I've got steel bands showing. Was debating on selling the car on base and getting a newer car, its up to 168k miles, but decided "F it. Time to fix it. Sooooooooo. Now its time to pick a new RUCA to get my camber something liveable again instead of more negative then my bank account :P (Gotta love Army pay). So, the choice now is:

Battle Versionhttp://enjukuracing.com/battle...2_138

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Circuit Sportshttp://phase2motorsports.store....html

Any recommendations or experience? :P Thanks all! Still can't believe I decided on the 240 over another Supra :D Anywho. Alright all, thanks!



Also, anyone in the Ft Meade (MD) area and want to help out with a 240? Beers on me.


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I could almost guaruntee the problem isn't your camber. Most likely the PO didn't align the car after he lowered it and the toe is way off.Have it professionally aligned, check out the spec sheet, then see if you really have other problems.

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Wow, cool intake black hole vortex! I bet that adds a couple horses.

I know Alex's Battle Version and Cusco are reputable, solid, and expensive. There's several knock off brands to try, but I'd be wary of their research and design as theres a lot of stress to the suspension arms so properly selected and assemble materials are required to ensure reliability. Short answer, don't risk your life and your ride with cheap suspension arms (imagine the RUCA breaking! It doesn't matter when and where it breaks in your imagination, all situations will be very bad). If you can't afford a quality brand, get the quality bushings with extra camber bolts and use the stock arms (whitleline or energy suspension).

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Cone Junky wrote:I could almost guaruntee the problem isn't your camber. Most likely the PO didn't align the car after he lowered it and the toe is way off.Have it professionally aligned, check out the spec sheet, then see if you really have other problems.
Appreciate the advice but if you look at the car from the rear, the tires look like / \ and the inside of the tire has steel bands showing while theres a hint of tread on the outside. There is a hint of toe problem but the majority is the camber. Thanks though. (not sarcastic, appreciate all input)

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Oh, smart. I assumed you have already attempted a proper alignment and had maxed out the control arm. That was a dumb assumption! Previous owners always leave that up to you, (along with any regular maintenance) haha!

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centralcoaster33 wrote:Wow, cool intake black hole vortex! I bet that adds a couple horses.

I know Alex's Battle Version and Cusco are reputable, solid, and expensive. There's several knock off brands to try, but I'd be wary of their research and design as theres a lot of stress to the suspension arms so properly selected and assemble materials are required to ensure reliability. Short answer, don't risk your life and your ride with cheap suspension arms (imagine the RUCA breaking! It doesn't matter when and where it breaks in your imagination, all situations will be very bad). If you can't afford a quality brand, get the quality bushings with extra camber bolts and use the stock arms (whitleline or energy suspension).


Yeah, 290 isn't too horrible for decent RUCA's. Will probably go with the Battles but just wanted some input and advice :P

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centralcoaster33 wrote:Oh, smart. I assumed you have already attempted a proper alignment and had maxed out the control arm. That was a dumb assumption! Previous owners always leave that up to you, (along with any regular maintenance) haha!
Yeah, after my little icy meeting with a curb they tried to allign the back when they did the front, no dice. Sooooo yeah. Now I need another set of tires and to pick some RUCA's, and maybe some toe arms. Who knows. I'd really like to get some decent rims on it, the 17's just are a bit big for my taste but what can you do right? Only so much at once. Was kind of pleased I got an Apex'i front strut bar with the car, so I guess it's time to stop being lazy and do the suspension up right, then start assembling the SR swap. W00t!

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Camber doesn't wear tires any faster. Toe does, think about it, you're dragging your tires down the road. When I first lowered my car, I drove around for 5 months with -3.5* of camber in the rear before I got all my adjustables and never had any problem cause my toe was in check.

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well actually, camber technically causes wear faster because ur only using half the tread.... but still. Toe is the main cause and that usually comes with camber and with most cases is uncorrected.

I would just sell me your car and you can go buy another whale to drive around in lol.

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Thought you all would get a kick outta this :P The effects of 6 months of bad camber and a hint of bad toe:


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damn... thats not bad. My camber only wears the inside sholder, I rarely get that much wear outta mine.

You must be driving it fairly hard to go through tires in 6 months!!!

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Clawhammer wrote:Camber doesn't wear tires any faster. Toe does, think about it, you're dragging your tires down the road. When I first lowered my car, I drove around for 5 months with -3.5* of camber in the rear before I got all my adjustables and never had any problem cause my toe was in check.
Exactly. I know the OP is set on working on camber, but toe eats tire 1000X faster than camber. My race car has been running -2.7 at all four corners for 3 years with absolutley no inner tire wear. Why, because my toe is set correctly.

Seriously bro, get it aligned. I am a certified master tech and have to be very knowledgeable on the physics/effects of alignment angles. I do alignments during the day and race my cars on the weekends, in other words, I know a little bit about alignment.

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I hear ya, but I've been to 3 places, all say they can't align it. So, tonight I'm ordering RUCA's and toe links. Aaaaaand....300 dollars in tires later, I have tires again. w00t.

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Just ordered the RUCA's and the Toe Links. W00t.

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shoulda also gotten the traction rods. I need some bad cause wheel hops a ****in *****!

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Haha on a bit of a budget, and since the motors basically stock, haven't really hit that problem yet :D

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So now the REALLY fun part...Guesstimating if the tire will clear the fender when aligned lol

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BoostinIX wrote:I hear ya, but I've been to 3 places, all say they can't align it. So, tonight I'm ordering RUCA's and toe links. Aaaaaand....300 dollars in tires later, I have tires again. w00t.
Did they hook it up to the machine? If they did, what is the toe set at? If they didn't, you have no idea what the toe is at and neither do they. I'm assumming you walked in there and asked if they could adjust the front camber and they said they couldn't, but they never hooked it up to the machine.

Am I right?

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Well, the parts were backordered anyways, so the order is on hold. Debating just getting a different set of springs. Will be cheaper and will take a lot of the lowering out of it, thus taking away a lot of my problems. Not even going to mention my fronts rubbing...besides, not sure how much the rears will align with the tires so close to the fender. 245/45's on the g35 17s. She's a little tight :P
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Definitely stop the order for your arms, and then go to splparts.com and order the usually cheaper than JDM parts and way more beefy rucas, tension rods, and rear toe rods. You won't be dissapointed.

It sounds like your alignment guys are idiots. Unless your car was seriously damaged from your ice/curb accident, you should be able to adjust a little of that camber and toe out!.

I guess I just got lucky finding an alignment guy that's dealt with dirt track racing half his life, and knows how to shim suspension arms to make it work.

Of course he doesn't have to shim anything now, considering all the adjustable arms I have now ...


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