Grounding Wires? Pure sex, or just HOT AIR! Discussion INSIDE

[LongBeachCoupe]

This stemmed from the Grounding Wire Kit thread by Sentient... That thread is reserved for interest...

Here is where you can state your impressions on the product, how good it is, how bad it is, or how pointless it is.

I had to remove the previous thread...

The reasoning is that NICO is here for the members, bottom line. Name calling will not be tolerated.

There is nothing wrong with questioning the integrity of a part/kit however.

What must be upheld is the feeling of comradeship in the forums. No one should feel attacked, belittled, stupid, worthless because of another members postings, PERIOD.

In interests of keeping the boat afloat, discussion on Grounding Kits is something NICO encourages!

Discussion, not an argument.

The involved parties have been spoken with by myself or another staff member, and the bottom line is that the community as a whole will not suffer from any one members actions, and if it does the member will be dealt with accordingly.

Rest assured that the same rules apply to moderators, fabricators and members, no one gets preferential treatment.

And now we continue with your regularly scheduled programming.

[Cali 2 Balti G]

I'm somewhat interested. needs pics, price, video, testimonials lool

You need only search the Z, G and other owners that have done the mod. It seems most that have done it have been pleased - on the G the comments are that it improves the shiftpoints on the automatic. The G automatics sometimes lag behind the engine -so while the grounding wires may not increase horsepower - they improve throttle response and shifiting of the transmission to keep pace.

It also seems that these kits have less of an effect on MT - so with the AC having a CVT (too many acronyms) - the transmission response - or lack thereof may not be an issue. Are there any Altimas or Maximas out there with the kit and the CVT - search for those.

[rjdmmfl1]

You need only search the Z, G and other owners that have done the mod. It seems most that have done it have been pleased - on the G the comments are that it improves the shiftpoints on the automatic. The G automatics sometimes lag behind the engine -so while the grounding wires may not increase horsepower - they improve throttle response and shifiting of the transmission to keep pace.

It also seems that these kits have less of an effect on MT - so with the AC having a CVT (too many acronyms) - the transmission response - or lack thereof may not be an issue. Are there any Altimas or Maximas out there with the kit and the CVT - search for those.

Cali, you bring up good points, and are crucial to this discussion , ESPECIALLY regarding the A/C... the CVT is superior to Auto transmissions regarding shifting since, well, there is no shifting... its already as smooth as silk, and I highly doubt there will be any way you could improve the already near flawless CVT regarding acceleration

Again, if there is less effect on manuals, and no potential effect on the CVT.. then what are the major benefits on the Altima Coupes?

[Sentientbydesign]

There is still an effect on manuals. Better throttle response, faster engine acceleration, cleaner audio, brighter lights (I haven't checked this, just what I've heard from other members), possibly better fuel economy.

I'm very very interested to see what if any effect it has on the CVT. There have been some complaints about the CVT, but I think they are more focused on the fact that people are very used to having a car that shifts, not one that melts one gear ratio into another.

I'll be sure to drive the A/C a decent amount before testing to get a feel for it. Blake will likely be able to do a better comparison as he should have a feel for his car.

[mhm1170]

Free speech............... remember we live in the USA just because you think your a big shot moderator does not give you the right to tell us what we can and can not post in this forum.

Grounding wire kits LOL what a joke ..................... guys don't waist your time and money.

[mcheddadi]

Free speech............... remember we live in the USA just because you think your a big shot moderator does not give you the right to tell us what we can and can not post in this forum.

Grounding wire kits LOL what a joke ..................... guys don't waist your time and money.

what's wrong with you tonight?! please try to stop venting your bad day in every thread you find...it's like every reply from you is negative today

[Scandinavian Flick]

Free speech............... remember we live in the USA just because you think your a big shot moderator does not give you the right to tell us what we can and can not post in this forum.

freedom of speech with limitations, speech can be limited if it islikely to incite imminent lawless action.. also this is there forum they can make whatever rules they want about what you post

[Loop]

Grounding kits are a placebo mod. But really, if you read many reviews on a grounding kit from other nissan forums and other forums as well. The majority people have said no improvements in performance. The only time I see this actually working is if they are old or corroded or whatever. In my opinion they are still a waste of money.

[adidas2go]

I have had these on my last 2 sports cars. My turobed eclipse benifited more from it, than my BMW. However, they both had signification advantages over stock. Everything just works better. I used to notice little audio/lighting imperfections in my eclipse, before I did the grounding upgrade. After, It was all cherry

[Scandinavian Flick]

i might be the only one on this, but regardless of any performance gains or lack there of, i actually like ground wiring kits for there aesthetic value, which is why ive always liked Apexi's ground wiring kit, it looks good,

[rjdmmfl1]

I have had these on my last 2 sports cars. My turobed eclipse benifited more from it, than my BMW. However, they both had signification advantages over stock. Everything just works better. I used to notice little audio/lighting imperfections in my eclipse, before I did the grounding upgrade. After, It was all cherry

I feel you Blake, however, a lot of these dimming issues also have to do with an older car with corroding contacts and a weak alternator. You will NOT notice any dimming of any lights in your vehicle since you have a 130 Amp Alternator and no other significant poweer strain on your vehicle (i.e. lights, sound system, etc)! I'm not gonna go in circles about the audio system and grounding kits, my statements of any real benefit with just a grounding kit alone have been proven by audio enthusiasts across the country, and I can't imagine any one of the sound off winners thanking their ground system for their superior SPL.

There is still an effect on manuals. Better throttle response, faster engine acceleration,

It also seems that these kits have less of an effect on MT -

Am I missing something, or do these seem to be contrasting statements???

[LongBeachCoupe]

Free speech............... remember we live in the USA just because you think your a big shot moderator does not give you the right to tell us what we can and can not post in this forum.

Grounding wire kits LOL what a joke ..................... guys don't waist your time and money.

Mhm, if you arent going to play nice, im going to put you on "time out"

In addition, being a moderator means I CAN DETERMINE what is allowed to be posted here, and WHO is allowed to post here. Please keep this in mind when making posts that arent productive.

[Sentientbydesign]

IIRC, Cali2Balti doesn't have the wires on his G.

The information he's pulling from are from a lot of speculating in the G forum as to what if benefits could be had from the kits on a 6mt. There are only 2 of the 6mts, that I know of, that have any sort of grounding kits.

The auto owners saw huge improvements in the way their trannies worked and probably didn't recognize that their engine also had some differences. When you have a 6mt, you notice just about everything your engine does (unless your clutch is slipping). That's not really the case for an auto.

Grounding kits are a placebo mod. But really, if you read many reviews on a grounding kit from other nissan forums and other forums as well. The majority people have said no improvements in performance. The only time I see this actually working is if they are old or corroded or whatever. In my opinion they are still a waste of money.

There are dynos and hundreds if not thousands of customers (not mine) who have said otherwise. If the kits made sound, or vibration, or some other by-product, then the placebo situation could definitely be a possibility. Kind of like when ricers put on a resonator or a new fart can and SWEAR they're going faster. This is not exactly the placebo effect, but it works in a very similar way.

Freedom of speech with MAJOR responsibility. This also applies only to our government. We can trash talk our government all we want (assuming there's some truth to it) with no ill effects. That same right doesn't apply in private domains.

If you were at my house and started saying bad things about my wife, you sure as hell wouldn't be allowed to keep going.

Here's the deal:

I didn't think some stupid wires were going to do anything either, but I saw kits were made for my G and my wife's celica. I made her kit first and honestly, I didn't see any improvement. Looks good under the hood!!! Then again, I don't drive that car but maybe 1 out of 80 times, so I can't really tell you if the sound was better, if the engine revved differently...etc.

My G was a totally different situation. I literally forgot that they wires were installed. I stayed up till 10 or so the night before finising the install and then went to work the next morning. It wasn't till I really had to rush somewhere that I was super impressed with the CD in the player and was pushing 90+ on the freeway without trying. This was in major contrast to the car that seemed to lug around and was somewhat boring to drive at times (Yeah I said it, go tell the G guys if you want).

Can you all make these yourselves like the Doc said? Yeah...

Will it be cost effective to make a kit with the same quality as mine yourself? Not really. I'm charging about the same price (shipped) that it would cost you to build it yourself (not including your time).

Will you spend 3 to 4 times longer trying to find the ground points and figure where everything goes than doing just the install? Almost Definitely.

I'm not trying to be cocky, obnoxious, superior...etc. I'm just offering a product that I really think makes a difference (on the G and Z- we'll see about the A/C).

You can be skeptical all you want, but if it turns out positive, I hope you consider that before being skeptical in the future.

[rjdmmfl1]

I think we'll need to wait until someone, other than Blake, puts one of these on their CVT Altima Coupe... comparing this kit on a turboed A/C won't say much at all since the effect on a turboed car vs the effects on a stock car could be drastically different... (and how many folks on here with CVTs are geting turbos... probably n one other than Blake

it is VERY difficult to test out the validity of these kits in the real world... your situation with your manual transmission and your newfound "power"can't be compared to an auto or CVT transmission at all.

Blake's turboed CVT can't be compared to a factory tuned CVT either.

This is what muddles the waters in research when there's no real way to do comparisons with good controls... after all, an experiment is ONLY as good as its design and its controls.

I think this is where Loop is coming from regarding the placebo effect he was mentioning... usually the parameters being measured are being measured by how something "feels" rather than with hard data... and feelings are much more affected by the placebo effect than hard data

I think this debate will go on forever as it always has in forums across the internet... this isn't the first and it won't be the last... I don't think anyone will ever be proven correct ... but again, some folks think it looks cool and there's nothing wrong with that at all!

SO I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong.. just that its hard to accurately state claims of benefits, and doind so begins to verge on the border of being dishonest...

A better way to advertise this to the A/C guys is to mention ONLY the benefits it had on otyher vehicles, and not say ANYTHING about potential benefits to the A/C... remember the Z and G had inferior Alternators compared to the A/C .. that 20 amps of extra power from the alternator in the A/C could easily outweigh any potential benefits that the grounding kits could have! We just don't know until REAL before and after tests are done..

[Sentientbydesign]

You bring up a very good point. I'll do testing on Blake's, then send one to one of the other A/C mods to see what their perspective on this is.

From a purely performance oriented standpoint, there have been dynos with "proven" performance, but a dyno tech can sway the results, so that's not really proof.

If my wires do nothing to my car other than make it more enjoyable to drive, then I'm happy with them.

[LongBeachCoupe]

LBC chiming in... ill test it out... 2.5 cvt

[adidas2go]

Well, I would like to do this because, Tim will be dyno tunning my car on Monday. After its all done, we will have a base HP number. For whatever reason, Tim thinks the Dyno he will be using, will produce an accurate readout for the CVT, I dunno. Based on that info, I would have a baseline before the grounding kit, then I can take it back down there and dyno it, after the kit.

[Sentientbydesign]

LBC, why couldn't you be in Long Beach, CA instead of Long Beach, NY? lol

Once I get everything setup, I holla at ya.

I'm also going to compile reviews from everyone who's bought a kit FROM ME and post it in the Fab Marketplace thread.

[LongBeachCoupe]

dude your tellin me! i feel like smashing my head against a wall when i think of you guys cruising to meets in Nov-Feb..... rocking summer tires year round...

[rjdmmfl1]

dude your tellin me! i feel like smashing my head against a wall when i think of you guys cruising to meets in Nov-Feb..... rocking summer tires year round...

...

well at least for now.. gotta head back to Baltimore next year...

[Sentientbydesign]

dude your tellin me! i feel like smashing my head against a wall when i think of you guys cruising to meets in Nov-Feb..... rocking summer tires year round...

What's this "all season" bull$h!t you guys talk about and s-s-ssnoughw tires?

We actually had snow and two or three tornados last month, so I'm not saying anything about Cali and the "super" weather.

[adidas2go]

Cali is going to break off of the US and fall into the Pac Ocean, then the apocalypse will begin directly about LA

[BlackNWhite]

LBC, why couldn't you be in Long Beach, CA instead of Long Beach, NY? lol

Once I get everything setup, I holla at ya.

I'm also going to compile reviews from everyone who's bought a kit FROM ME and post it in the Fab Marketplace thread.

Not trying to take LBC's testing... but I'ld offer up my 2.5 if you need someone local.

[LongBeachCoupe]

Snowing... in june? come on man lol

[Beancooker]

Free speech............... remember we live in the USA just because you think your a big shot moderator does not give you the right to tell us what we can and can not post in this forum.

Well, welcome to the United States of NICO. You don't have the right to free speech here. I can and will edit what I feel necessary. You agreed to that in the terms of service when you signed up.

[LongBeachCoupe]

MHM is enjoying a week vacation... where he can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants...

BlackNWhite tryin to steal my demo? heheh jk

[rjdmmfl1]

MHM is enjoying a week vacation... where he can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants...

[Sentientbydesign]

Snowing... in june? come on man lol

Seriously bro. It was scary as hell. It may have been May, but it was right around the end of Spring beginning of Summer. 2 or 3 tornados IN MY CITY

Thunderstorms, hail, snow...my wife was scared that it was "THE END".

Not trying to take LBC's testing... but I'ld offer up my 2.5 if you need someone local.

Email me. I'll give you details and you can determine if you're still interested.

[rjdmmfl1]

Yeah, Riverside is more inland.. its amazing how much being just 15-20 miles inland can alter the weather...

Altough we're all in SOCAL.. on any given day, the weather can be very different between LA, San Diego, Riverside, and Temecula....

of course we know what city has the best weather...

[adidas2go]

MHM is enjoying a week vacation... where he can say whatever he wants to whoever he wants...

guys a douche