Grounding Kits ?

[rontek]

Does anyone have any personal experience with Grounding Kits? In theory, it sounds like a valid concept, but I am curious if there is "really" and noticeable benefit. I understand how it works, and what the claims are, I am just looking for anyone that has used them currently, or in the past, and what their experience was.

Thanks in Advance.

Ron

[cjre1]

Rontek,

I do. I have some experience with them and have used in the past, however, I see no need to use it on the EX35.

Maybe someone else is using one now and can help you more than I can, since I am not currently using one.

[rontek]

Great ! I have many questions.

What vehicles did you use them on? What make kit did you use? What was your experience? Why do you think there is no need on the EX? Please provide details, that is what I am looking for.

Thanks,

Ron

[cjre1]

Great ! I have many questions.

What vehicles did you use them on? What make kit did you use? What was your experience? Why do you think there is no need on the EX? Please provide details, that is what I am looking for.

Thanks,

Ron

Here is where I got mine. http://www.groundingkits.co.uk/

I've installed such a kit in a new Nissan Titan, Honda Civic (see below), Ford Escort, and Honda CRV after reading how it will "quiet" the motor noise and help the trans to shift smoother. I'm trying to think if it had made any significant changes. No noticeable change, except for the Ford Escort. Just a lot of nice colored wires running through the engine compartment and under the truck.

There are various claims for HP increases and "smoother shifting" but you know, all of this that i've read is anecdotal. I have yet to see a rigorous independent dyno test that proves anything about these systems. There seems to be a scientific "logic" to it, but like many other "devices", the logic isn't as logical as it first sounds and tends to oversimplify the actual automotive environment variables.

Conversely new cars it is less of an issue. I also had a 1996 Honda Civic that I have been tweaking to increase gas mileage and general performance. I put in NGK Iridium plugs, and had a noticeable performance gain primarily because of the spark lower resistance, less amperage/voltage to crate a spark and fewer misfires. I then read about enhanced grounding and first cleaned and reconnected all of the easily accessible grounds after which I noticed a additional smoothing out of the idle and acceleration as well as cleaner audio from the radio/cd player.

Next instead of buying some expensive after market grounding kit I went to Home Depot and picked up some copper lugs that would allow me to attach some 10 THHN grounding wire directly from the battery to the grounding strap connector on the transmission that normally just connects to the frame. Total cost $2.00 for lugs and the wire was no cost because I had it on hand. With this mod every thing changed. Starting was faster, idle and acceleration gained power and remained remarkably smooth. Radio and heat/ac fan as well as lights performed better without any drop in output when put on sequentially (which did happen pre re-grounding.

It is probably something that is more effective with older cars and first thing to do is clean and reconnect all of your grounds (don't forget cleaning both battery terminals and connectors first) Then if you want to go a step further you can start experimenting with additional grounding wire that you can connect to various locations and take directly back to the negative terminal for enhanced continuity of the ground. Best to use 10 gauge stranded or greater with insulation that can withstand 250F or greater temperature. Going to Home Depot your cost will probably be less than $6.00.

Any time you add a ground to the system it can't do any harm (unless of course you're grounding the wrong part :-) ). As to whether it will work or help out???. My friend and I installed a kit a while back on a vehicle that was having a lot of "electrical" noise on the Ford Escort and it cut some of it out.

I believe that if we would've went through all of the wiring and checked all the grounds to ensure that they were clean, proper and tight it would've done the same.Most of your electrical problems are caused by faulty grounds, whether the owner removed one that he/she didn't think was important, or just corroded and loose.

Otherwise, I'm keeping my money in my pocket.

In a nut shell, I know that the Infiniti cars are well grounded. So will this kit help? I think not. Let me know. Maybe others have one.

[rontek]

Here is where I got mine. http://www.groundingkits.co.uk/

I've installed such a kit in a new Nissan Titan, Honda Civic (see below), Ford Escort, and Honda CRV after reading how it will "quiet" the motor noise and help the trans to shift smoother. I'm trying to think if it had made any significant changes. No noticeable change, except for the Ford Escort. Just a lot of nice colored wires running through the engine compartment and under the truck.

There are various claims for HP increases and "smoother shifting" but you know, all of this that i've read is anecdotal. I have yet to see a rigorous independent dyno test that proves anything about these systems. There seems to be a scientific "logic" to it, but like many other "devices", the logic isn't as logical as it first sounds and tends to oversimplify the actual automotive environment variables.

Conversely new cars it is less of an issue. I also had a 1996 Honda Civic that I have been tweaking to increase gas mileage and general performance. I put in NGK Iridium plugs, and had a noticeable performance gain primarily because of the spark lower resistance, less amperage/voltage to crate a spark and fewer misfires. I then read about enhanced grounding and first cleaned and reconnected all of the easily accessible grounds after which I noticed a additional smoothing out of the idle and acceleration as well as cleaner audio from the radio/cd player.

Next instead of buying some expensive after market grounding kit I went to Home Depot and picked up some copper lugs that would allow me to attach some 10 THHN grounding wire directly from the battery to the grounding strap connector on the transmission that normally just connects to the frame. Total cost $2.00 for lugs and the wire was no cost because I had it on hand. With this mod every thing changed. Starting was faster, idle and acceleration gained power and remained remarkably smooth. Radio and heat/ac fan as well as lights performed better without any drop in output when put on sequentially (which did happen pre re-grounding.

It is probably something that is more effective with older cars and first thing to do is clean and reconnect all of your grounds (don't forget cleaning both battery terminals and connectors first) Then if you want to go a step further you can start experimenting with additional grounding wire that you can connect to various locations and take directly back to the negative terminal for enhanced continuity of the ground. Best to use 10 gauge stranded or greater with insulation that can withstand 250F or greater temperature. Going to Home Depot your cost will probably be less than $6.00.

Any time you add a ground to the system it can't do any harm (unless of course you're grounding the wrong part :-) ). As to whether it will work or help out???. My friend and I installed a kit a while back on a vehicle that was having a lot of "electrical" noise on the Ford Escort and it cut some of it out.

I believe that if we would've went through all of the wiring and checked all the grounds to ensure that they were clean, proper and tight it would've done the same.Most of your electrical problems are caused by faulty grounds, whether the owner removed one that he/she didn't think was important, or just corroded and loose.

Otherwise, I'm keeping my money in my pocket.

In a nut shell, I know that the Infiniti cars are well grounded. So will this kit help? I think not. Let me know. Maybe others have one.

Chris,

Please dont plagerize other fourms and use other peoples words as your own. I found your "Personal Experience" word for word on another web site. http://answers.edmunds.com/que....aspx

I appreciate your desire to help, but as I said I was looking for peoples "personal" experiences, not just pulling stuff off the net and posting it in the forum

[cjre1]

Chris,

Please dont plagerize other fourms and use other peoples words as your own. I found your "Personal Experience" word for word on another web site. http://answers.edmunds.com/que....aspx

I appreciate your desire to help, but as I said I was looking for peoples "personal" experiences, not just pulling stuff off the net and posting it in the forum

Excuse me. I am all over other sites and have different names. My firiends and I run some other sites as we post all over. So please know the facts before you accuse me of doing nothing wrong!! I appreciate you asking before posting negative things about someone.

Now that is a NO NO.

[rontek]

Excuse me. I am all over other sites and have different names. My firiends and I run some other sites as we post all over. So please know the facts before you accuse me of doing nothing wrong!! I appreciate you asking before posting negative things about someone.

Now that is a NO NO.

Chris, come on. In the post I am referring to there are posts from MULTIPLE people that you used in your reply. I have been a member of this forum since its beginning, so dont go telling me hwats a no no. You are busted. Plain and simple. It would be better to admit your mistake, then to go on making a fool of yourself. Would you like me to cut EACH paragraph of your reply and the corresponding reply from the SEVERAL other users posts on the Edmunds web site? I would never say anything negative about anyone, but when somone asks for specific information from experience, then that is what others should reply with.

[cjre1]

Chris, come on. In the post I am referring to there are posts from MULTIPLE people that you used in your reply. I have been a member of this forum since its beginning, so dont go telling me hwats a no no. You are busted. Plain and simple. It would be better to admit your mistake, then to go on making a fool of yourself. Would you like me to cut EACH paragraph of your reply and the corresponding reply from the SEVERAL other users posts on the Edmunds web site? I would never say anything negative about anyone, but when somone asks for specific information from experience, then that is what others should reply with.

Your comments are not welcomed. I never make a fool out of myself. Now you are saying that you know them. HA HA, that is a good one. Your post is not making sense. How can you judge and point the finger if in fact, you don't know yourself. I am starting to believe that you post just to poke fun at others and ask questions that you already know the answers too. I can see that you are in other areas too. I know your style of writting.

I wanted to give you what I and my friends have done with grounding kits, but I guess that is not want you want. I will not respond to your post anymore, since you point the finger and you do not appreciate my help. I will not be put down like this, for your pleasure. HELL NO!!!

Some are only out to get others. I am making a list of those people.

If no one wants my help here, then PLEASE start a thread to band me, how is that?? I bet you will like that. If so, I will be out.... I am not going to help if people think I am a bother.

I WILL NOT BE INSULTED BY YOU OR ANY ONE ELSE. ACT LIKE AN ADULT MAN!!!

Peace out!!!
Modified by cjre1 at 12:06 PM 6/12/2009

[marlin29311]

While you guys continue your e-battle, i'll just post this:

zerothread/345479

There is a member on NICO (sentientbydesign) that creates grounding kits for new model Nissans and Infiniti's - if yuo look throughout the Altima, G35, 350Z, and FX forums, you'll see numerous people that have bought his kits and seen improvements on their cars after installing them.

I put a kit on my 08 Altima 3.5 (same VQ as you have), and I noticed better elecrical performance, as well as a gain in MPG's. Read the thread and look throughout for more information - I don't think he makes an EX kit yet, but you could always express interest!

[rontek]

No, thats fine, I will go. You obviously dont get it, but thats ok.

[rontek]

While you guys continue your e-battle, i'll just post this:

zerothread/345479

There is a member on NICO (sentientbydesign) that creates grounding kits for new model Nissans and Infiniti's - if yuo look throughout the Altima, G35, 350Z, and FX forums, you'll see numerous people that have bought his kits and seen improvements on their cars after installing them.

I put a kit on my 08 Altima 3.5 (same VQ as you have), and I noticed better elecrical performance, as well as a gain in MPG's. Read the thread and look throughout for more information - I don't think he makes an EX kit yet, but you could always express interest!

Thank you. That is what I was looking for. !

[G35 Toronto]

comical thread.....

[SteveTheTech]

I am not a fan of grounding kits but they do indeed look cool.

I have gotten into many arguments over the science behind them and although sound in theory, these cars do not need add on grounds. This is another case where you can google this and come out with a dozen sites that support your POV whatever it is. There is no stray electricity on these cars and most of the common grounds are detectable and controlled through the ECM. The claimed horsepower and accleration numbers by these products are well within the threshold for dyno margin of error. A hundred plus bucks for two HP that cannot be proven. If any of you are interested in more HP I have remote batteries that increase HP through decreased weight and freer flowing electrons. lol no not really.

I am all for spirited debate and this could be constructive to the betterment of the community all I would like to ask of you guys is don't get personal. We are all adults here and we can indeed have a spirited debate and all take something constructive from it. You both own the same car and took the initiative to join our little group here and all have something in common and we could very well learn from each other. We don't want to draw the attention of the adults.

[RioD007]

I wouldn't mind trying one on my EX

Especially with all my lights and such.

Hey it cant hurt haha

[SteveTheTech]

Actually it can hurt if installed incorrectly and can cause thousands of dollars in damage to electrical control units. These wires offer no diode protection for electrical control units. Just a thought but it's electrical principal 101. Also the most common access point is the passenger side main wiring harness bulkhead seal and if not sealed correctly will leak serious amounts of water directly onto two major SMJs (Super Multi-Junction connectors) that attach the engine harness to the main harness with a 120+pin connector and the ECM and it's connectors are also located in very close proximity under that bulkhead seal. If you look at the ground cable on your EX and the passenger side of the of the engine right above the alternator you will see a large gauge wire already bolted from the head to the frame rail. and another one only two feet away connecting the inner body structure to the negative battery terminal completing the circuit fully. FYI-LED replacement will actually decrease your current draw as these types of lights are is significantly less than a traditional filament style light bulb. Although I tried the interior lights and didn't like them, the color and spectrum of the light was great although the saturation of the light just isn't the same, the light does not saturate the interior like conventional bulbs.

Grounding Wires

You would get better results using ester oil in your EX.

[JCL622]

Actually it can hurt if installed incorrectly and can cause thousands of dollars in damage to electrical control units. These wires offer no diode protection for electrical control units. Just a thought but it's electrical principal 101. Also the most common access point is the passenger side main wiring harness bulkhead seal and if not sealed correctly will leak serious amounts of water directly onto two major SMJs (Super Multi-Junction connectors) that attach the engine harness to the main harness with a 120+pin connector and the ECM and it's connectors are also located in very close proximity under that bulkhead seal. If you look at the ground cable on your EX and the passenger side of the of the engine right above the alternator you will see a large gauge wire already bolted from the head to the frame rail. and another one only two feet away connecting the inner body structure to the negative battery terminal completing the circuit fully. FYI-LED replacement will actually decrease your current draw as these types of lights are is significantly less than a traditional filament style light bulb. Although I tried the interior lights and didn't like them, the color and spectrum of the light was great although the saturation of the light just isn't the same, the light does not saturate the interior like conventional bulbs.

Grounding Wires

You would get better results using ester oil in your EX.

haha very well said. i mean if you really wanna go with the performance, run 100 octane fuel and burn better.

there was this article about some guy who made his own concoction of moth balls + (cant remember) and regular petrol, and somehow he made his own 100 octane rated fuel....i don't know if it was shens or not, but I definitely wanna try it on someone elses car to see if it works

[Sentientbydesign]

Actually it can hurt if installed incorrectly and can cause thousands of dollars in damage to electrical control units. These wires offer no diode protection for electrical control units. Just a thought but it's electrical principal 101. Also the most common access point is the passenger side main wiring harness bulkhead seal and if not sealed correctly will leak serious amounts of water directly onto two major SMJs (Super Multi-Junction connectors) that attach the engine harness to the main harness with a 120+pin connector and the ECM and it's connectors are also located in very close proximity under that bulkhead seal. If you look at the ground cable on your EX and the passenger side of the of the engine right above the alternator you will see a large gauge wire already bolted from the head to the frame rail. and another one only two feet away connecting the inner body structure to the negative battery terminal completing the circuit fully. FYI-LED replacement will actually decrease your current draw as these types of lights are is significantly less than a traditional filament style light bulb. Although I tried the interior lights and didn't like them, the color and spectrum of the light was great although the saturation of the light just isn't the same, the light does not saturate the interior like conventional bulbs.

Grounding Wires

You would get better results using ester oil in your EX.

This happens to also be the most common AMP wire point used when installing an aftermarket stereo.

I've only seen this problem 1 time to date and it had nothing to do with a grounding kit.

The beloved Ester Oil. Still can't believe Nissan can get people to spend that much on a synthetic blend.

haha very well said. i mean if you really wanna go with the performance, run 100 octane fuel and burn better.

there was this article about some guy who made his own concoction of moth balls + (cant remember) and regular petrol, and somehow he made his own 100 octane rated fuel....i don't know if it was shens or not, but I definitely wanna try it on someone elses car to see if it works

100 octane isn't really beneficial without a tune for it. AKI (Anti-Knock Index) is just that, resistance to knock. If the EX isn't retarding timing at WOT with Premium (91-94 octane) increasing the octane rating could potentially reduce power (especially if the mothball concoction has lower potential energy).

I won't every force feed one of my products down anyone's throat, but I'm ALWAYS happy to prototype a vehicle for someone who's interested (and local) to see if any benefits can be had.