gross polluters fee!!!!!

[katinkid]

just doing a quick survey and am going to try and submit something to the state but in a nutshell it will be.

we see all of these muscle cars and such on the road with blowers and completely done engines they dont have to be smogged so there legal.

well those of us with vehicles not meeting current smog regulation. anything on your vehicle not factory "engine mods" are def pissed at current ca smog regulation, right? those state ref tickets suck.

so why not pay a polluters fee, have a gross polluters license?

not only would it help with the so called "emissions problems in CA"but it would also go towards state spending upgrading facilities, research, tax things like that.

who would be for that. idk about you but they would probly make a lot more money doing this for everyone, and i think everyone would be willing to pay to make their car street legal...

everyone wins who is up for it?

[heartofaskyline]

umm... naw ill pass

[katinkid]

so you rather get pulled over by some cop who has no clue what he is doing to give you a state ref ticket... have to completely change your car back to factory which costs $$$$ then pay a $450 ticket fee???

wow some naive people out there.

[Reno]

Maybe he never gotten pulled over , HA!

CA FTL, no no no not you beautiful CA18DET

i mean Cali :P

[EfiniRX7]

I live in Ohio so I don't have your problem, but I think we should be able to do what we want with our own car's. I would never pay for some stupid license to have an engine I payed for in my own car. I also think the last thing CA needs is access to more tax money. I sometimes wish I could spend money like it's going out of style, and get millions more to do the same thing with from the government. I guess I would say no, CA should not tell people what to do with there car's to begin with.

[heartofaskyline]

so you rather get pulled over by some cop who has no clue what he is doing to give you a state ref ticket... have to completely change your car back to factory which costs $$$$ then pay a $450 ticket fee???

wow some naive people out there.

cali wont get rid of the smog laws. all your "petition" would do it give them more ideas to take your money. see I, dont give a s***, i would never move to cali, im not naive, i just dont care because it doesnt effect me.

[Shabbernigdo]

So since we get screwed by the law as tuners and the muscle guys dont you wanna try and change the law to screw them too?

sounds like some hatin to me.

ill pass

[Matej]

So since we get screwed by the law as tuners and the muscle guys dont you wanna try and change the law to screw them too?

sounds like some hatin to me.

ill pass

Hey brahhh, we don't get screwed, we live in KC.

[katinkid]

so then why the hell would you reply to a thread if it does not apply to you! thank you for you 2cents.

honestly thats like a discount on canolees going up in new york and me making a big deal saying i hat canolees who gives a f**k

[katinkid]

So since we get screwed by the law as tuners and the muscle guys dont you wanna try and change the law to screw them too?

sounds like some hatin to me.

ill pass

no due to the fact that they already dont get affected they would remain untouched.... only vehicles required for smog would fall under this.

[heartofaskyline]

no due to the fact that they already dont get affected they would remain untouched.... only vehicles required for smog would fall under this.

you coulda added that in the first post i think its a good idea now. hey if you want to pay more money to make your car legal, so be it. but it think it would be pointless to try an institute a law that screws over classic car owners

[ashibah83]

but it think it would be pointless to try an institute a law that screws over classic car owners

, not to mention than there are more classic car guys that are better educated, with better knowlegde of laws(being that most hardcore classic guys are 40+ years old) not to mention there cars, and they have better connections than you EVER will, there cars will forever be smog exempt, while yours...uness its a vert, will never be, and the emmissions restrictions will only become more strict

p.s. im glad i live in Georgia......no inspections at all

[24j0hn]

this subject pisses me of like marijuana laws do

[AZ89two4Tsx]

You're a retard. Do you actually think CA actually pass something like this? And of all states, California?!? Don't they already have enough pollution currently? There's already plenty of ways to get around the law as it is, stop complaining.

[OutToWinPAHC]

Federal EPA rules dont require cars 1975 and prior to use emmisions and pollution control. As long as thos older blown cars pass local safety inspections they are legal. In some case they dont even need to pass all of the safety checks. For example my 1968 Nova didn't have seat belts, but it was that way factory so it was not required.

[shimizu_17]

, not to mention than there are more classic car guys that are better educated, with better knowlegde of laws(being that most hardcore classic guys are 40+ years old) not to mention there cars, and they have better connections than you EVER will, there cars will forever be smog exempt, while yours...uness its a vert, will never be, and the emmissions restrictions will only become more strict

p.s. im glad i live in Georgia......no inspections at all

Spoken for the truth, California is suppose to be the lead example of emission standards in America, so why would they allow a gross polluter fee? Unless your car is 1975 and below, or you convert your car to a alternative fuel vehicle there is no way around a smog test.

[duffman1278]

I see where you're getting at. I mean your idea isn't great but I mean I'll give you credit for trying. Most of us in the import scene just complain about getting tickets and when someone like you actually tries and wants to do something about it they just get crap said to them again.

I say go for it, honestly you're not going to get much support here. Most of us just don't have the time to put the effort into it. One reason why we possibly get more crap from the law for being into imports is because we do nothing about it and most of us can't afford lawyers in court haha.

GL though

[shimizu_17]

I see where you're getting at. I mean your idea isn't great but I mean I'll give you credit for trying. Most of us in the import scene just complain about getting tickets and when someone like you actually tries and wants to do something about it they just get crap said to them again.

I say go for it, honestly you're not going to get much support here. Most of us just don't have the time to put the effort into it. One reason why we possibly get more crap from the law for being into imports is because we do nothing about it and most of us can't afford lawyers in court haha.

GL though

I agree, its coo that you want to make a change, but try and get a swap kit that can be ref'd or get a big company to make a forced induction kit with Carb numbers.

A dude on zilvia who works at some type of smog thing did a huge thing to try and get SR's legalized, like he had cars with SR's with emission print outs, all the paperwork, etc. But he got shot down by CARB saying you can swap in a sr20de but not a sr20det since it was never offered in america.

[Mangid]

just doing a quick survey and am going to try and submit something to the state but in a nutshell it will be.

we see all of these muscle cars and such on the road with blowers and completely done engines they dont have to be smogged so there legal.

well those of us with vehicles not meeting current smog regulation. anything on your vehicle not factory "engine mods" are def pissed at current ca smog regulation, right? those state ref tickets suck.

so why not pay a polluters fee, have a gross polluters license?

not only would it help with the so called "emissions problems in CA"but it would also go towards state spending upgrading facilities, research, tax things like that.

who would be for that. idk about you but they would probly make a lot more money doing this for everyone, and i think everyone would be willing to pay to make their car street legal...

everyone wins who is up for it?

How old are you?

[SullivanRacing06]

one of the "not so great" obamas ideas is to impose a tax on how many miles you drive you car, while also raising gas taxes another 19c per gallon, thanks to who ever voted 4 him!

[freakyjason]

...thanks to who ever voted 4 him!

You're welcome!

[duffman1278]

You're welcome!

And btw the U.S. has the LOWEST gas tax than most countries in the world. So be thankful

[hbpignosePA]

good try OP, but it probably wont work

politicians are more keen on looking good to the hippies than the enthusiasts.

this should probably be moved to the politics forum if its gonna go off-course

[numbnuts240]

as enthusiasts, we are the minority. the government would never pass something like this. what you need to understand about all these classis muscle cars is that they aren't required to comply with current standards because they were not originally equipped with emissions controls. our cars were, so we have to comply with predetermined standards. if you want to modify your car, you have a couple of options. do it, knowing that your car will not pass smog, and risk getting tickets, impound, etc. or, register it as an off-road vehicle (track only), get a trailer, and tow it to all your track events. i'm not sure about cali, but here in ct, when a car becomes 25 years old, it is exempt from emissions. so i can either have an illegal car, or wait. this is what we have to deal with since we chose to play with modern cars. don't want to deal with it? sell your 240 and buy an old car to tinker with.

[i240sx]

dont worry...once 1990 under won't have to smog you'll have a sr, rb, ca in your 240...every car has it turn...can't wait mine have another 12-14 more years until its smog free...

[Dittoz7]

Sell 240sx.Buy 69' Camaro.

Problem Solved!

[1unar3clipse]

dont worry...once 1990 under won't have to smog you'll have a sr, rb, ca in your 240...every car has it turn...can't wait mine have another 12-14 more years until its smog free...

What the hell are you talking about?

your 240 will not be smog exempt unless its a vert limited model thats registered as a collector car.

SR,RB,CA are illegal in California, and Federally.

[freakyjason]

I'm really glad we don't have to deal with any of this^^ non-sense in NY. I don't know if I would have even gotten a 240 if I lived somewhere with laws like CA.

[shimizu_17]

In certain counties in cali you dont have to smog your car once every 2 years, i know humboldt county you only have to smog a car when your selling a car for the buyer of the car.

So if you move to humboldt or other smog friendly counties problem solved for the most part haha.

[duffman1278]

dont worry...once 1990 under won't have to smog you'll have a sr, rb, ca in your 240...every car has it turn...can't wait mine have another 12-14 more years until its smog free...

That's wrong. There's a big misconception that 30+ year old cars are exempt. Its ONLY for cars that were made in 1975 and/or OLDER that are exempt from this law. Go read California's state laws and you'll see. The years continue.