Grip driving with a drift suspension.

[Twintip_yeti]

Alright i basically know part of what im asking but i wanted to ask and get some poeples opinions on this anyways. Where i live there are alot of roads that have some pretty good speed corners (60+) and i was wondering for the poeple with their suspensions set up to drift, how well can you grip drive while traveling at good speeds (some corners yo uwant to drift, some you def dont but can go 70+ through)? i guess you could say just dont surpass your gripping capabilities but when you want to push it how easily will you end up with the rear swinging around? sorry for the long *** post and just ask if you arent really sure of what im asking. thanks

yeti

[[s3]]

Please drive safely and only practice drifting on the track or other approved grounds (parking lots).

Drifting on public roads is just asking for trouble.

[Twintip_yeti]

No no i understand that and thats what im saying. Basically how well does the 240 hold up grip driving at higher speeds with the suspension aimed towards drifting at lower speeds (in parking lots etc.). thanks

yeti

[mikeG]

It's not just a queston of suspension, it is also a question of technique. Alot has been written on the subject, and asking a bunch of 17 year old drifter wannabes is not the right place to start. If you check the tech forums here Yuo will find an endless wealth of knowledge, and a list of books you can read to enhance your knowledge of driving in general. You will not be able to register because it got closed due to a bunch of dorks going in and stinking up the place, but you can still read and research the topic you are asking about. It is a board populated by engineers, pro racers, and mechanics, who all take tech very seriously, because they realize that at some point their lives will depend on what YOU know. Dont be fooled, its not just a mustang board, although the predominant speak is about mustangs and f-body camaros. When the tech is as high quality as this, it will work almost anywhere. Go, read. If you put the effort in you will become a better driver than you can believe.

[[s3]]

It's not just a queston of suspension, it is also a question of technique. Alot has been written on the subject, and asking a bunch of 17 year old drifter wannabes is not the right place to start. If you check the tech forums here Yuo will find an endless wealth of knowledge, and a list of books you can read to enhance your knowledge of driving in general. You will not be able to register because it got closed due to a bunch of dorks going in and stinking up the place, but you can still read and research the topic you are asking about. It is a board populated by engineers, pro racers, and mechanics, who all take tech very seriously, because they realize that at some point their lives will depend on what YOU know. Dont be fooled, its not just a mustang board, although the predominant speak is about mustangs and f-body camaros. When the tech is as high quality as this, it will work almost anywhere. Go, read. If you put the effort in you will become a better driver than you can believe.

Theories apply, but a F-Body is a hell of a lot different than a S13. The weight difference alone will alter grip and suspension settings.

I'm not sure what the weight distribution for a Mustang/Camaro is but I'm pretty sure its not 50/50.

Maybe just my personal opinion, but I would not go to a mustang/camaro board to ask about suspension setups on japanese cars.

[Beau]

Corner Carvers is an awesome site. They have taught me more about suspension tuning than college taught me about finance. And it was FREE! I used to have an account there, but the system doesn't recognize my email address anymore so I guess I've been deleted. Mustang/Camaro weight distribution is closer to 57/43, not horrible. Besides, spend $4,000 on a Mustang suspension and it'll turn 1g on the skid pad. Spend a little more on the engine and it'll run 12's at the track. Great bang for the buck. I used to own a Fox body Mustang, but I've joined the darkside.

[Twintip_yeti]

Thanks for the site. The main reason i was asking here though and not searching elsewhere like that site is b/c i was seeing if you guys could give first hand expiriences specifically with the 240sx. specific suspension tuning can apply to all types of cars and suspensions but personal expiriances are car specific. thanks

yeti

[Beau]

From what I've been able to gather about drift suspension is that it is setup very very stiff to limit any kind of body roll and to minimize loading up outside tires. The tracks they race on are all very smooth so being able to absorb bumps isn't a concern. Grip suspension is about making the car neutral and capable of soaking up bumps in typical roads, so making the suspension really stiff is probably just going to make you bump, skip, and slide off the road w/ no control. So, IN MY OPINION you would want stiff springs, but not too stiff, and stiff sway bars for street drifting w/ good grip.

Disclaimer: I am in no way an expert, just an enthusiast that tries to think about things in a scientific way. So these are pretty much just my opinions based on facts I've picked up from respectable sources. Every car is different, every driver is different, practice, experiment, be safe, don't die.

[C-Kwik]

Absorbing bumps in the road are not dependent on the style of driving, but the roads you are driving on. Grip driving doesn't require you to absorb bumps if you are driving ont he same courses you would if you drift. There are small tweeks drifters do to their suspension, but for the most part, there isn't a huge difference. People tend to assume you want to create a car that oversteers easily. While this may help you get the tail to swing out easily, you still want the car to be controllable. Using technique to swing out the rear will be far more effective than having a car that wants to do it any time you turn. You want a car to be controllable at all times. The same is true of cars set-up for grip. In other words, a car set up for grip driving should be easy enough to drift.

[Twintip_yeti]

C-kwik thats just what i was looking for and was what i though it would be! my reason for thinking that was if you look at people upgrading their suspensions, grip and drift are pretty much the same and im assuming that the difference is mostly in the settings... thanks

yeti

[whiterps13]

overall, the settings are pretty close to being the same, but the technique is what makes the differance. you want a car that is easily controlable, and something that you can easily read. you should be able to put the car where you want it, wheather thats straight or sideways.