In some ways I do agree with you, but it depends on who you go to. If you go to some half-rate muffler shop, I agree completely. But if you go to a shop or someone who knows what they are doing I believe you can have a exhaust thats even better. I feel when you buy those exhausts your paying for brand name, which i guess gives you assurance but raises the price. I have gone to reputable businesses, and could have custom headers for between 600-800, but made exactly how I want. I know a lot about exhaust design, and it does have an effect on the engine, changing power curves (to a degree of course) with tube diameters and header lengths put simply I guess. So I agree, if he doesnt have a knowledgable person that knows what he is doing, he is better with brandsXenonSE-R wrote:I personally think that the SE fits the Altima better than the TiC, but other than that, it's personal preference.
My opinion on any car parts, especially with respect to the argument of custom vs. COTS (commercial, off the shelf), is that you do indeed get what you pay for. There is so much more to an exhaust system than looks and sound. With someone fabbing up an exhaust for your car, they're making a set of pipes and mufflers fit up to the car with materials they have on hand. They're not taking into account the airflow dynamic and backpressure changes to make an exhaust more of a performance gain on top of the improved look and sound. This is why you pay the premium price for products from Stillen, Greddy, Tanabe, etc... You pay for the R&D on a quality product that is made specifically for your vehicle to increase performance, give it a unique look, and make it sound more aggressive without cheap rasp, hiss, etc.
I have learned the hard way about "custom" products - I ended up spending more than I would have on just buying a brand exhaust from the beginning because I ended up buying two exhausts after the "custom" one was leaking and shifting all over the place. It was such a nightmare.
I don't care how you justify it - any knockoff exhaust off of ebay or a couple of magnaflow mufflers mated to a pipe from your local Meineke are going to be better for my Altima (or any car, for that matter) than something from Greddy, unless you don't care about anything but the impact on your wallet.
wade001 wrote:
In some ways I do agree with you, but it depends on who you go to. If you go to some half-rate muffler shop, I agree completely. But if you go to a shop or someone who knows what they are doing I believe you can have a exhaust thats even better. I feel when you buy those exhausts your paying for brand name, which i guess gives you assurance but raises the price. I have gone to reputable businesses, and could have custom headers for between 600-800, but made exactly how I want. I know a lot about exhaust design, and it does have an effect on the engine, changing power curves (to a degree of course) with tube diameters and header lengths put simply I guess. So I agree, if he doesnt have a knowledgable person that knows what he is doing, he is better with brands!
If you're on the west coast where you have close access to companies like Fast Intentions and the like who are good with custom fabrication in the ways that you mentioned, then yes custom is less risky that way. Even there, $800 is a very low figure with that kind of build, unless of course you have a hookup.wade001 wrote: In some ways I do agree with you, but it depends on who you go to. If you go to some half-rate muffler shop, I agree completely. But if you go to a shop or someone who knows what they are doing I believe you can have a exhaust thats even better. I feel when you buy those exhausts your paying for brand name, which i guess gives you assurance but raises the price. I have gone to reputable businesses, and could have custom headers for between 600-800, but made exactly how I want. I know a lot about exhaust design, and it does have an effect on the engine, changing power curves (to a degree of course) with tube diameters and header lengths put simply I guess. So I agree, if he doesnt have a knowledgable person that knows what he is doing, he is better with brands!
Thats not a big issue, A quality shop that makes exhausts uses mandrel bent tubing, I did note not a half-rate shop. Heck, I could buy mandrel tubing and make an exhaust myself if I had a MIG/TIG welder!Innovazn wrote:wade001 wrote:
In some ways I do agree with you, but it depends on who you go to. If you go to some half-rate muffler shop, I agree completely. But if you go to a shop or someone who knows what they are doing I believe you can have a exhaust thats even better. I feel when you buy those exhausts your paying for brand name, which i guess gives you assurance but raises the price. I have gone to reputable businesses, and could have custom headers for between 600-800, but made exactly how I want. I know a lot about exhaust design, and it does have an effect on the engine, changing power curves (to a degree of course) with tube diameters and header lengths put simply I guess. So I agree, if he doesnt have a knowledgable person that knows what he is doing, he is better with brands!
what youre really paying for is the mandrel bending.... 90% of custom shops use crush bending which affects the flow of things... Mandrel bending is EXPENSIVE!!
No arguements manXenonSE-R wrote:If you're on the west coast where you have close access to companies like Fast Intentions and the like who are good with custom fabrication in the ways that you mentioned, then yes custom is less risky that way. Even there, $800 is a very low figure with that kind of build, unless of course you have a hookup.wade001 wrote: In some ways I do agree with you, but it depends on who you go to. If you go to some half-rate muffler shop, I agree completely. But if you go to a shop or someone who knows what they are doing I believe you can have a exhaust thats even better. I feel when you buy those exhausts your paying for brand name, which i guess gives you assurance but raises the price. I have gone to reputable businesses, and could have custom headers for between 600-800, but made exactly how I want. I know a lot about exhaust design, and it does have an effect on the engine, changing power curves (to a degree of course) with tube diameters and header lengths put simply I guess. So I agree, if he doesnt have a knowledgable person that knows what he is doing, he is better with brands!
On the east coast, there isn't a whole lot to pick from, and in my crap town for car shops, there is even less than that. You're right - it does depend. I'm still stickin to my approach, however