greddy Emanage and apexi SAFCII??????

[samuraijesuss13]

yeah ive read the noob thread on here looked on KA-T.org searched google but cant find anything that can tell me if i will need both apexi SAFCII AND greddy Emanage? or just one or the other i only plan on making 200-250HP outa my setup im most likely going to be running a T28 with SR20 injectors and NGK plugs Z32 maf and whatnot...so yeah point me in the right direction or just let me know sorry for asking if its posted somewhere and just wasnt paying attention......

[DevilMB3017]

It really depends on how involved you want to be yourself.

You could use either of those devices to effectivly tune the car yourself, or pay some money to someone else to tune those systems.

Also very common on KA-Ts is a mail-order ECU tune. You can give your specs to someone like Jason @ Emance (who's cheap, but some people are having problems getting ahold of him) or Enthalpy tuning (about 4 times as much as an Emance chip). You would just plug one of these in and be done.

[samuraijesuss13]

yeah i thought about the mail order tunes but i dont know if sometime in the future ill wanna up my power or change my setup and i wanna be able to chenge it myself and whatnot without having to send my ECU back in...but what ur saying is i can just get the apexi SAFCII and i should be fine as long it gets tuned properly?

[DevilMB3017]

The SAFC as your only fuel correction isn't a good idea. All it does is lie to your ECU about the air/fuel coming into the motor. It doesn't actually change the fuel or timing table.

I know it's expensive ($500), but I have ZERO problems with my Enthalpy ECU. His tune has saved my motor from certain death at least 3 times. I believe if you change your setup, they'll overnight you a new ECU and you just return yours. I suggest talking to them. Their customer service is outstanding.

[WDRacing]

You only need one piggy back controller, choose one they both work. Emanage has an option where you can control timing if you buy that particular setup.

Personally, it doesn't sound like you have the knolwedge to tune your own car or you wouldn't have to ask this question. So a ECU tune is probably your best bet. Using a piggy back has lead many people to lots of problems.

Couple tips I'll give is to get a wideband O2 sensor no matter what option you decide on.

If you have no timing control, then never boost more then 8 psi.

WD

[madd ocx]

The SAFC as your only fuel correction isn't a good idea. All it does is lie to your ECU about the air/fuel coming into the motor. It doesn't actually change the fuel or timing table.

I know it's expensive ($500), but I have ZERO problems with my Enthalpy ECU. His tune has saved my motor from certain death at least 3 times. I believe if you change your setup, they'll overnight you a new ECU and you just return yours. I suggest talking to them. Their customer service is outstanding.

enthalpy's customer service in not outstanding! their tunes are good but when the only way you can get in touch with someone is through email that is not good customer service.sometimes it takes them days to get back to you, thats after like three e-mails.. but they are a good choice if you wanna an ecu retune, just make sure you have patience!

[480sx]

His CS was great, but hes been going through some stuff and is kinda hard to get in touch with here recently. If your a new customer he'll hook you up. His main thing is, people have problems that have nothing to do with his tunes and ***** at him non stop. Out of over 1000 tunes, two of them havnt worked because of something hes done.

You wont get a better rom tuner than Scott. His tune saved my engine, and is generally amazing. I would recommend him over JWT anyday of the week.

[madd ocx]

i know his tunes are good i'm not discrediting him on that, i've told scott he needs work on his cs if he just works by email and he told me exactly what you just said. and of course your customer service would be good to new customers you wanna make money! but i would recommend anyone to enthalpy, but if your having any problems after you get the ecu you gotta be patient, but when he gets to you he will help you out, he helped me out!

[DevilMB3017]

In my opinion, his customer service was great.

I always got an e-mail between 7-8:00 AM the next morning, which on a project car is fine by me. Some other ECU tuners are harder to find. Try to get in touch with JWT...They just have staff...

Enthaply's tune has saved my engine at least 3 times that I can think of. Well worth the piece of mind for the price, if you save for it.

[kouki_hmongster]

In my opinion, his customer service was great.

I always got an e-mail between 7-8:00 AM the next morning, which on a project car is fine by me. Some other ECU tuners are harder to find. Try to get in touch with JWT...They just have staff...

Enthaply's tune has saved my engine at least 3 times that I can think of. Well worth the piece of mind for the price, if you save for it.

IMO i've been searching around and enthalpy have one of the best overall review compared w/ JWT and emance tune. i know it might cost $500(hope they do monthly specials) but these guys seem to have the least problem w/ their tune and i dont really think anyone blew their motor w/ enthalpy. honestly i heard bad things about emance, on the ka-t.org forum there are around 5+ people from what i remember that blew their motor w/emance...not bashing but it's facts....

[neverlift]

let me clear somehting up! A LOT OF things can cause a tune to be off and blow an engine, tps/cts/maf/stock set timing..., if any of those are off the tune will suffer greatly. Beyond the fact every motor is different.

[480sx]

Seriously dude, there are a ton of reports coming out about blown motors and tunes that dont work worth a sht, all emance. The jury is still out, but there is to much information about emance at this point to ignore.

Dont cheap out on the most important thing about your boosted engine. Just not worth it and you will end up spending more in the end.

[DevilMB3017]

You have to remember this, the people that are spending the less money on a tune are probably spending less on other things and/or not doing a lot of research.

I don't want to say something bad about Emance, because I have no first hand experience, but hopefully someone who does can chime in sooner or later.

[neverlift]

Not defending emance or anyone, just stating a fact. I do my own tuning, this is from experience, I have made a tune knowing it is good, then fudged something stoooopid and the tune was appearing to be lame, made changes to the tune, found/fix problem,rework the tune,just to find out it was good to start I'm sure that is not the case ALL the time, noone is perfect on either end

[madd ocx]

truth be told enthalpy is one of the best tunes out there. i never dealt with emance or jwt( he told me to wait 6 weeks for a tune).. but never skimp out on tuning, if anything else never that.

[WDRacing]

Not to piss you guys off, but most of you cause your own damn problems. You have no idea what you're doing, you troubleshoot like a retarded monkey and usually blame the rom tune.

Yet you buy cheap EBay parts and used crap...

This doesn't apply to everyone, but there are enough stupid people out there that are mucking up the water so much the semi intelligent folks can't even have a decent conversation without someone popping in and asking whats the cheapest piece of crap I can put on my car and how much power will it give me.

This thread for instance...do you need two piggy backs? How about do some damn reading before you post something that would probably make me throw up in my mouth if you asked me in person.

JESUS......

What ecu tunes are good and which ones suck...well the guy that buys EMance probably did so because it was the cheapest option. Combine that with cheap everything else and you get a piece of crap.

Read, learn, study, ask questions AFTER you read then buy parts that don't suck.

WD

[red_rain]

to-tally agree with WD.........+1.....

[WDRacing]

to-tally agree with WD.........+1.....

That was one of my agree posts I usually make one or two of those a month. Price you pay for being Scottish/Welsh...usually means I drink to much to often

WD