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In September ago I drove and reviewed a $2000 Geo Prizm, calling it an ideal choice for the recently unemployed. The jellybean Geo is efficient, faultlessly dependable, and cheap to maintain, but it serves as a constant reminder of economic hardship, questionable life choices, and uncomfortable compromises.

There has to be, for the same kind of money, a more comfortable, more expressive, and equally dependable way to travel.

You could, with a couple grand, indulge in European luxury, perhaps an early 90s BMW 5-series, Audi V8, or a Mercedes W124, but any of those will come with a quarter million miles and repair bills with more zeroes than the national debt. The Japanese have a few options, but resale value is prohibitively high.

I may have found two strong contenders, both American, both under $2000.

During my multistate tour of the south last week, I stopped in Georgia to visit my friend Austin and sample two of his cars, a $1200 1993 Lincoln Town Car and a $1800 1992 Buick Roadmaster.

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We’ll start with the Buick. Of the 1990s GM B/D-platform cars, including the Caprice, Impala SS, Olds Custom Cruiser, Cadillac Fleetwood, and Buick Roadmaster, the Buick had the most impressive name, by far. The Roadmaster badge dates back to 1936, named after the car’s ability to “level out” on the highway, a testament to its smooth and civilized nature. The name returned for 1991 on the last of GM’s traditional, full size, body on frame sedans and departed along with its platform mates in 1996.

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I’ve never cared for the Roadmaster’s looks, with fender skirts that seem a bit tacky and a nose inspired by a bulldog’s underbite. The styling does, however, give the car its own unique character. The more agreeable looking Chevy Caprice, once a staple of police and taxi fleets, has lost its visual distinction with the passing of time, though the wagon retains its charm. The larger Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, though luxurious and imposing, can be a bit ungainly from some angles. The Buick’s wheelbase, six inches shorter than the Fleetwood at 115.9 inches, makes the Roadmaster significantly easier to park than the Fleetwood.

Roadmasters were offered with most features available in the Cadillac Fleetwood including leather, power windows, power seats, a semi-premium sound system, keyless entry, and automatic climate controls. There was no GPS navigation, parking sensors, or satellite radio back then, so the American auto industry’s concept of luxury was heavily oriented around size and comfort, at which the Buick excels. Roadmaster also receives a simulated wood dash that stretches across from door to door, giving the Buick’s interior a warmer feel than the Cadillac.

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“Dynaride” is Buick’s branding for its cushy ride and suspension. There are no electronically controlled dampers, sonar sensors, or magnetic fluids, a good thing for someone seeking low-maintenance $2000 transportation. Despite being tuned for softness, it glides around corners with ease, leaning heavily into curves and recovering predictably.

[Buick did offer a Grand Touring suspension on some of its cars with firmer springs and additional stabilizer bars.]

Gliding down the highway there’s plenty of float, but I enjoy that sort of thing in an old American cruiser. It gives you a sense of value, that you bought a much larger car than you paid for. There are no pretenses of European luxury or Japanese precision — the portly Roadmaster is proud of its heritage and determined in its pleasingly unsophisticated, comfort-seeking purpose. I can certainly respect that.

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Buicks had the option of a Concert Sound audio system. It was a far, far cry from the Bose, Nakamichi, and Harman Kardon audio systems available in other luxury cars, but it sounded marginally better than the factory Delco radio. With only six speakers and a modest power output, the Concert Sound II audio package didn’t add a whole lot to the enjoyment of the car. Austin’s Roadmaster is equipped with a standard GM Delco tape deck which to me sounds perfectly adequate. If you buy a Roadmaster, add a subwoofer and amp and call it a day.

Engine output for this generation, with GM’s small-block L05 180hp V8, looks quite unimpressive on paper, but it can pull tree stumps out of the earth with 300 lb-ft of torque, pushing this 4000lb monster off the line with ease. It cruises on up to 40mph effortlessly, laboring a bit from 50 to 60, taking a hair over 9 seconds to reach 60mph. That’s perfectly reasonable for a car of its stature and heft, and thanks to its easy takeoffs, it feels adequately quick.

[In 1994, an LT1 V8 arrived with 260hp and an electronically controlled automatic transmission.]

You can expect highway fuel economy in the mid-20s on regular unleaded.

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This $1800 American super cruiser feels inside and out like a much more expensive car. Buick’s build quality, as always, is exceptional. Nothing squeaked, shook, or rattled when I drove it and the steering and suspension felt fairly tight. It certainly helps that this car spent all of its existence in Georgia where rust is rarely seen and roads are generally well maintained.

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I’ve never previously cared for the odd looking Roadmaster, preferring the Chevrolet Caprice/Impala SS and Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham, but after driving it and coming to understand its purpose and personality, I’m now open to owning one.

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Because of its lower demand, you can usually find a Roadmaster in excellent condition, like this one, for a very low price. They were seldom used in livery fleets or in government service, typically owned by older people who tended to take care of them. If you can find an example that’s been babied by an octogenarian, buy it.

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I forgot to mention braking. Eventually, after pressing the brake pedal, the car will stop.

BONUS: With the optional towing package, you won’t need a truck or SUV. The body-on-frame Roadmaster is capable of pulling 5000 lbs.

1992 Buick Roadmaster
Current Mileage: 143,000 miles
Drivetrain: Rear-wheel drive, L05 5.7L V8, 180 hp, 300 lb-ft, 700R4 4-speed automatic
Economy: 15/23 mpg
Curb Weight: 4211 lbs
2010 Purchase Price: $1800 w/134k
Problems: None.
Positives: Air conditioning and all power accessories work. Came with a set of Wald wheels as well as factory wire wheels. Clean interior with surprisingly plush velour seating.
Services: Brake pads and rotors serviced, window tint removed.

Ride: 8.5/10 — A bit of float, though I like and prefer that sort of thing.
Powertrain: 9.5/10 — A robust engine. Durable “analog” transmission keeps servicing costs low.
Braking: 5.5/10
Steering/Handling: 6/10
Audio/Accessories: 7.8/10 — Nice buttons and switches.
Interior: 8.5/10 — Plush. With beige leather, it looks fairly expensive.
Comfort: 9/10
Styling: 6/10
Quality/Reliability: 10/10
Overall: 8.8/10

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The 1993 Lincoln Town Car, if you can imagine, is a significantly different car. Austin handed me the keys and I climbed in, immediately noticing the more modern buttons, controls, and steering wheel. The only signs of age were the square-pod digital gauges that looked like they came from the early 1980s and the crisply rectangular dashboard. The digital climate controls, steering wheel buttons, switches, and radio looked like they could have been plucked of a late-90s car, and Ford-Lincoln-Mercury did in fact use these controls through the latter half of the decade.

You know what a Town Car is — it’s the Ford Panther platform shared with the Ford Crown Victoria and Mercury Grand Marquis, a traditional body-on-frame design that spanned three decades of production. Over the years, the steering, engine output, and suspension were improved, quietly tiptoeing into the modern era.

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The buttons on the climate controls were broken but functional, a common problem on 90s Lincolns. You can replace the control unit with a newer one that uses larger, more durable buttons.

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The Lincoln’s air bag steering wheel looks a bit sharper than the dowdy “bread loaf” in the Roadmaster, with four spokes instead of two and squared-off styling to unsuccessfully mask the presence of an air bag.

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The fake stitching on the doors and dashboard look pretty convincing.

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The Lincoln’s seatbacks seemed lower but felt more supportive. Even though it was a flat bench, I felt more secure around corners and more deeply cosseted. The whole car felt a bit narrower, however, and this was noticeable when parking and backing out. On paper, the Town Car is only half of an inch narrower, but it feels like more.

Rear leg room was smaller by more than two inches, but considering how massive the Roadmaster is, the Town Car felt “right sized” to me, tidy enough to sprint around town and large enough to cruise the interstates with confidence.

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While I enjoyed the Town Car’s digital instrumentation, I preferred the calm look of the Roadmaster’s analog needles. In later years, the Town Car combined an analog speedometer with a digital information center, an ideal balance of gadgetry and readability.

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Although the dampers were long past their expiration date, this Town Car felt steadier and tracked down the road more accurately than the Roadmaster. Steering was a slightly more precise, though there was plenty of on-center mush, and there were fewer uncontrolled body motions. While the Roadmaster floats, the Town Car glides, offering a more neutral, steadier ride.

Acceleration is respectable. Due to its smaller size and lower weight compared to the Buick, it sprinted to 60 in just over eight seconds, about a second faster than the L05 Roadmaster. [The 1994-1996 LT1 Roadmaster, however, can do it in just over 7 seconds.] Expect highway fuel economy in the mid 20s.

Reliability is a strong point as evidenced by the Town Car’s popularity in limousine service, but early 90s examples like this one occasionally suffer from valve seal failure. You can leave it as is with no consequence other than a puff of smoke at startup, otherwise expect to spend $700.

In all, the Town Car feels like a more modern form of transportation. If that’s your imperative, then consider this as well as the Lexus LS400. Unfortunately, it lacks the Buick Roadmaster’s fat, indulgent, pleasingly excessive qualities, characteristics that define a classic American cruiser.

1993 Lincoln Town Car
Current Mileage: 176,000 miles
Drivetrain: Rear-wheel drive, 4.6L SOHC V8, 190hp, 265 lb-ft torque, 4-speed automatic
Economy: 16/24 mpg
2011 Purchase Price: $1200 w/174k
Curb Weight: 4040 lbs
Problems: Sagging driver’s door, valve seals lightly worn, dampers worn.
Positives: Air conditioning and all power accessories work. Very smooth, neutral ride.
Services: None needed.

Ride: 9/10 — Steady and neutral ride.
Powertrain: 7/10
Braking: 6.5/10
Steering/Handling: 6.4/10 — Feels a bit lighter around corners.
Audio/Accessories: 7/10
Interior: 7/10 — Doesn’t feel as luxurious as the Buick.
Comfort: 8/10 — Noticeably more wind noise.
Styling: 7/10 — An inoffensive rectangle.
Quality/Reliability: 7.8/10
Overall: 7.5/10

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I prefer the Buick. The Roadmaster’s powertrain is a bit more robust thanks to GM’s legendary small-block V8 and Hydramatic transmission. The Buick will likely have fewer electrical or mechanical issues and offer slightly better body integrity, owing to the brand’s legendary build quality. While the Town Car feels more modern, the Buick feels more expensive with more lustrous paint, additional sound insulation, and higher quality upholstery.

Although it may be easier to find a cheap Town Car, it could have been used as a taxi or limo. Livery service promises fresh fluids and routine maintenance, but the interiors of ex-taxis tend to smell like cheap hotel rooms. Buicks, however, are almost always privately owned, carefully maintained, and unjustifiably cheap to buy. Hold out for a clean Roadmaster and keep it for life.

Alternatives:
93-96 Cadillac Fleetwood Brougham
Oldsmobile Custom Cruiser
Buick Roadmaster Wagon
Lexus LS400
4.9L Cadillac Deville
94-97 Chrysler LHS / New Yorker
Ford Crown Victoria / Mercury Grand Marquis

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I read the article earlier today when you posted it on FB, I always enjoy this kind of information. People really don't realize what they can get for this kind of money sometimes. I think I'd take the Towncar personally, but for the money I'd look for a Infiniti J30 or maybe a 4th gen Maxima too. I bought a meticulously maintained 95 Maxima 7 years ago, with 200k miles on it for $2,000. I drove that car for 2 years and it was one of the best cars I've ever owned, the family that bought it still drives it last I heard. That car was also the reason I bought my I30 too.

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Both of those cars are just perfect for the set of 28" chrome wheels that I have waiting in my garage.

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Eikon wrote:Both of those cars are just perfect for the set of 28" chrome wheels that I have waiting in my garage.
Donks FTW. :chuckle: these big ol' cars bring back some memories.

Some thoughts. Having owned or driven most of the vehicles on that list, I'd take take an LS400 before any of them. followed by the first generation LHS (most stylish and most fun to drive of the group), and previous generation Mercury Grand Marquis. The key is finding a clean one, preferably an original elderly owner one.

I had great experiences with my first two LHS'. Although the third one had a few warranty blips, none of them ever stranded my wife or I. It also got the best gas mileage with it's torquey V6. It was clearly the drivers car of the bunch and nicest looking. Absolutely wonderful seats. The ride was more firm than the others but still very nice. We went on many long road trips in those Chryslers. The only downside to them was you had to watch the serpentine belt for wear closely because they had a tendency to wear out before the recommended replacement time. And if they go, its catastrophic. Power window motors are also a weak point.

I used to rent Towncars/Cadillacs/Roadmasters regularly on business trips. The Towncars were by far the cushiest (spongy) soft riding of the group. Technology wise, the Town barge felt familiar but old fashioned, numb and ill handling. the digital dashes were awful and problematic. Gas mileage wise, No way to suguar coat it... they sucked. My company paid for the gas so it was not an issue for me, but I was lucky to get over 14 mpg in any of them. A couple of them were under 10mpg.

As far as Caddies, my father-in-law owned a Deville for many years, and enjoyed it overall. I drove it occasionally. He took meticulous care of it, but often griped how expensive they were to fix. He loved the horn, but was disappointed by how fast it depreciated. He ended up giving it to one of his grandkids as it was worth pretty much nothing. The Fleetwood broughm was an enormous elegant comfortable beast, full of gadgets and gizmo's, like heated mirrors, and a thermometer on the mirror, Great for impressing passengers, It had literally power everything except power ashtrays)and it rode like a baby carriage, but it was such a big heavy barge, not nimble. though you could steer it with a finger like the Town car. It's really just a highway cruiser. Gas mileage only approached 20mpg if you drove it very conservatively and on cruise control. Regular mixed driving was more like 12 mpg.

As far as Grand Marquis/Crown Vics. I would only look at the pre 1992 ones, the boxy ones that had the 5 liter V8. Those were simple, great cars. Reliable, well made, roomy, inexpensive to fix/maintain. They were very much old school. the Mercs didn't even have bi level heat (bi level a/c only) I remember the A/C was so strong it formed icicles on the inside windows. Unlike the town car, fleetwood or roadmaster, they were roomy but still fit fairly easily into parking spots. They were numb handling too but predictable. The police package improves the handling a bit, but not many non-police cars were sold with that package. The stock ones were Softly sprung, though not quite as soft as the town car. The Merc also got better gas mileage than the bigger/heavier town car which was based on the same platform. I leased 2 of those old mercs and loved them. They got decent mileage if you kept it under 65, easily breaking into the low 20's. And I enjoyed people moving aside for me thinking I was a police car. I had big problems with my 1992 gmarq, the first year of the final design, and Ford's switch to the 4.6L V8. It was the single most unreliable new car I ever had. That car made me abandon Ford.

I remember the Buick Roadmaster was cavernous and comfy, but very old fashioned feeling. I had rented a couple, (plus my father in law owned an electra 225 before his caddy). They did had some decent torque given it's immense size/weight, but they got such awful gas mileage, and they always seemed to make disturbing noises (like loud power steering pumps whenever you turn, squeeling and pulsating brakes (which also sucked - borderline unsafe), mystery clunks/groans whenever you went over small bumps, These were fairly new rentals I drove but they all felt like they were about to fall apart, which was typical of GM in that era. My father in law had offered me his Electra but I turned him down. Too big, too much of a guzzler. I'd stay away from them.

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Jesda wrote:In September ago I drove and reviewed
"In September ago"?

WTF bro. Get it together.

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Great writeup as always!! :yesnod:

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Adding this to the vault inside my head when someone asks "what can I get for under 2 grand?".

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I needs me a newer black Town Car.

it's on my list of couches with wheels.

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I'd love an LT1 Roadmaster woody wagon.

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Mr1der wrote:I needs me a newer black Town Car.

it's on my list of couches with wheels.

Marauder.

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Those tailpipes. :naughty:

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Roadmaster for my when-I-go-home-with-the-family-car for under $2000? Hum...I may try to find one.

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Jesda, you do some of my favorite reviews on the internet. I absolutely love your style of writing and of critique.

Can you do an article on the 300M?

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Encryptshun wrote:Jesda, you do some of my favorite reviews on the internet. I absolutely love your style of writing and of critique.

Can you do an article on the 300M?

<leased a 1999 300M for 3 years.


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<------- Wife owns a 2000 300M. :)

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In addition to the 99-03 Acura TL, the 300M is one of my all-time favorite entry-luxury cars. I got to spend a month driving one a couple years ago and took it across the country. It handles like a much smaller car. There's intelligent little features like cruise control that shifts down to maintain speed and a whole bunch of convenience settings built into the overhead console. The Infinity sound system was decent and the seats were plush while supportive.

I wish they weren't so hard to find in good condition. If/when my Seville dies, a 300M Special is a strong contender as a replacement, along with the Lincoln LS.

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Sadly, their resale value is sh*t. Hers is loaded tip to tail with <110k babied miles and a fresh set of brakes and tires. It's worth far more to us to keep it than it would be to sell or trade it.

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I'm rather fond of the 300M myself. I really don't like FWD in my big sedans, but the 300M and Seville do so many things so well that I can ALMOST overlook the wrong-wheel-drive.

I'm not really fond of the late-90s TL, though. Goofy styling, small inside, lacking torque. Not really my bag of tricks. It's successor is definitely a great car, though.
Jesda wrote:There's intelligent little features like cruise control that shifts down to maintain speed
A few weeks ago, my dad was talking about how neat it is that my sister's C-class does that. He was curious if my LS does it too, so I decided to test it. Except I can't: none of the hills around here are steep enough to necessitate a downshift to maintain speed. And I live on a farking mountain.

I guess the moral of the story is (yet again): V8 > Boosted four.

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Encryptshun wrote:Sadly, their resale value is sh*t. Hers is loaded tip to tail with <110k babied miles and a fresh set of brakes and tires. It's worth far more to us to keep it than it would be to sell or trade it.
That's definitely part of the appeal for fourth-hand owners like me. My 2001 Seville was worthless after nine years; I picked it up for $3800 in 2010 with just over 100k on the clock. Original price with the tech package and wheels was around $53k. I think the reason 300Ms were subjected to so much abuse is 1) sweet lease deals pushed them out the door so 2) they hit the used market with minimal care/maintenance and 3) the owners are typically much younger than the people who buy Lincolns, Cadillacs, and Buicks.


MOD: How's your sister's Kompressor been? Any expensive repairs yet?

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Jesda wrote:MOD: How's your sister's Kompressor been? Any expensive repairs yet?
It's been very decent so far. It had a check engine light a few weeks ago for a misfire that was resolved with a simple plug replacement (the plugs are cheap, too, which was unexpected). And the passenger-side signal repeater/side marker stops working intermittently. Aside from that it's treating her well.

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The last 300M I drove was very nice. I was shocked that I was driving a Chrysler.
MinisterofDOOM wrote:I'm not really fond of the late-90s TL, though. Goofy styling, small inside, lacking torque. Not really my bag of tricks. It's successor is definitely a great car, though.
Same here. My father-in-law has a 00 3.2 TL and IT SUCKS. It's literally the worst luxury sedan i've ever driven and the transmissions in them are absolute garbage. He $1,500 more than I did for my car and his was more beaten up, had rips in the leather, higher mileage, AND the transmission gave constant issues. The transmission finally took a dump earlier this year and set him back $4,000 to replace, because the transmission overheated so bad that it warped, so they couldn't accept the original one as a core. I told him he should dump the POS, but he decided to fix it, yet again :facepalm:

Can you tell I really despise that car? :gapteeth:

Now I love the 04 and up TL, but would likely go for the TSX instead personally.

If an I30/Maxima weren't available at the time, I would've likely bought a Seville or a 300M. In fact, I had money in hand for a Seville, but the owner didn't want to get right on the price so I walked away.

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A33 wrote:If an I30/Maxima weren't available at the time, I would've likely bought a Seville or a 300M. In fact, I had money in hand for a Seville, but the owner didn't want to get right on the price so I walked away.
He probably had the head gasket go out not long after. JOKE'S ON HIM!

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That would've made the time I wasted worth it. I would've been highly pissed if that would've happened to me, even after a year of owning it. I've grown a lot more patient with vehicle issues since then though.

The day I bought the I30, the CEL came on and after getting home I scanned it. Both 2 O2 sensors had failed, but thankfully the previous owner was a Nissian Tech, so he had me bring it back the next day and replaced them.

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Encryptshun wrote:Sadly, their resale value is sh*t. Hers is loaded tip to tail with <110k babied miles and a fresh set of brakes and tires. It's worth far more to us to keep it than it would be to sell or trade it.
Thats the same problem my father-in-law had with his "baby'd" Deville. Great for bargain hunting 4th owners like Jesda, but infuriating for original owners. After 10 yrs, it was worth more in scrap. As info, he replaced the Caddy with an Avalon. As far as the 300M, the weak areas for me in the first 60K miles were the cheap power components: I replaced 5 power window motors in 3 years -drivers window twice, and power steering pump, all under warranty). But it was a beautiful driving cruiser, thoughtfully designed, comfortable, and well engineered, just built with cheap parts. Hence a bargain to get one new. I actually enjoyed having one for 3 yrs, but I was also kinda relieved to give it back at the end of the 60K mile lease as things were starting to wear out/go wrong with it.

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ha what are the odds, i just picked up a LS400 for 2k, granted it needs shocks and tires


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