I just got my KYB AGX and Eibach Sportline springs in. I'm a little disappointed! Its a lot better than stock but still doesn't handle as good as I thought it would!! Whats up with that?
I set it on 4 in front and 8 in the rear. By the way what are my choice setup? Like what setup should I run? What can I run without damaging the suspension?
Got my suspension in!!!
How does it not look good?
about settings: try any/every setting you can, drive on several different surfaces and types of roads to see what delivers best feel for you. I cannot imagine a damper setting doing damage to anything but your spine.
What tires do you use? Expensive sticky tires might be in order as your next upgrade.
about settings: try any/every setting you can, drive on several different surfaces and types of roads to see what delivers best feel for you. I cannot imagine a damper setting doing damage to anything but your spine.
What tires do you use? Expensive sticky tires might be in order as your next upgrade.
eh, your KYB is your shock.
It's a wear item anyway, and it's available for replacement. I wouldn't worry about wearing out a wear item, as this is natural, like brakes. You use it, it wears out, you replace it.
Are you talking about the ultra-low stance, and the strut piston placement within the housing, bottoming out and voiding warranty?
It's a wear item anyway, and it's available for replacement. I wouldn't worry about wearing out a wear item, as this is natural, like brakes. You use it, it wears out, you replace it.
Are you talking about the ultra-low stance, and the strut piston placement within the housing, bottoming out and voiding warranty?
It's something I kinda learned, I didnt think the percentage was that low...but it probably is.
since grip is a function of friction, the only thing touching the groud are your tires..thusly grip is a function of tire type, compound, and design more than spring settings, so much as the suspension can keep the tire in contact with the ground(with respect to the tires grip)
this is why all-out race suspensions suck with street tires
and street suspensions dont do well with race tires....
but, you would get better cornering and handling by just chaing tires than springs/shocks/swaybars...
dennis actually has some kind of math to prove it, but its something "I've seen in test after test....
the funny thing, I've seen "celica stock .83G, hotchkiss celica .96g" and people go "see! look! 10%+ increase!"
...from stock 16" H rated tires to s-03 in a sticky 17"....what did you think would happen? hehehe..make sense?-chet
since grip is a function of friction, the only thing touching the groud are your tires..thusly grip is a function of tire type, compound, and design more than spring settings, so much as the suspension can keep the tire in contact with the ground(with respect to the tires grip)
this is why all-out race suspensions suck with street tires
and street suspensions dont do well with race tires....but, you would get better cornering and handling by just chaing tires than springs/shocks/swaybars...
dennis actually has some kind of math to prove it, but its something "I've seen in test after test....
the funny thing, I've seen "celica stock .83G, hotchkiss celica .96g" and people go "see! look! 10%+ increase!"
...from stock 16" H rated tires to s-03 in a sticky 17"....what did you think would happen? hehehe..make sense?-chet
Re: Got my suspension in!!!
I emailed KYB and they said that Sportlines will void the warranty and the minimal setting should be 3 (assuming he meant on the front). And they can tell by any damage on the piston as to how low the drop was with the springs.GuSpeed wrote:I just got my KYB AGX and Eibach Sportline springs in. I'm a little disappointed! Its a lot better than stock but still doesn't handle as good as I thought it would!! Whats up with that?
I set it on 4 in front and 8 in the rear. By the way what are my choice setup? Like what setup should I run? What can I run without damaging the suspension?
I have the AGX's sitting in my room now. I was contemplating on Sportlines. Hows the ride?
I don't think it handles that well. **** so my shocks are going be worn out quickly? Should I just set it on the stiffest? 4 in the front and 8 in the rear? Would that be better?
Handling is a lot better than stock. My stock aren't even blown. Not as good as my old 95 S14 with KYB GR2 and sprint springs.
Handling is a lot better than stock. My stock aren't even blown. Not as good as my old 95 S14 with KYB GR2 and sprint springs.
KYB does not want you to lower your car more than 1" with the AGX. At least that's the way it was a few years ago when I talked to them.
I don't know why they aren't but the AGX don't have a stroke that is short enough for the springs that a lot of people want to run.
I know some people that have really lowered their cars on the AGX with ground control and autocrossed for over 3 years like that and have not had problems. One has raised his car to only about an 1" drop and has had better results probably due to better suspension travel.
I don't know why they aren't but the AGX don't have a stroke that is short enough for the springs that a lot of people want to run.
I know some people that have really lowered their cars on the AGX with ground control and autocrossed for over 3 years like that and have not had problems. One has raised his car to only about an 1" drop and has had better results probably due to better suspension travel.
Take into consideration that every bushing is your car is probably shot (swaybar bushings included) along with every ball joint. Also, you keep ignoring the question about your tires, so I'm going to assume you're riding on something sh1tty. Basically, get good tires, bushings, and ball joints...if the handling is still below-par, then complain.
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Even the basic KYB GR2 struts are beefed up aprox. 15% in an attempt to make up for worn out suspension components. Chet is , as always, right on the $$$. Tires are the best bang for the buck and sticky tires will make those ball joints/bushings work even harder. That's why it's important to keep those things fresh.
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I found this thread on a search, and let me just say Sportlines are no good for the Agx's. It's been exactly one year, and my front shocks blew. That's with trying to avoid potholes, going really slow over railroad track and everything else. Simply put, they put too much stress on the Agx's, so when they said don't lower a vehicle more than 1.5" they weren't kidding. Thankfully not all four blew at the same time (makes sense the fronts did, since the Sportlines drop the most inches in the front). I have since bought another pair of agx's ( i still think they're great shocks) and i'm taking out my damn sportlines and replacing them with Suspension Technique springs, which lower about 1.5" I don't know how the Koni's hold up with Sportlines, but i'd think they're a better bet.
Anyway, hope that helps
Anyway, hope that helps
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Lifetime warranties are never *unconditional* i checked with TireRack, Koni's policies are similar to KYB's. No one wants to honor a warranty if you blew your shocks due to excessive lowering.
Of course, the Rep from Tire Rack told me that the Koni's are a better bet for my Sportlines, but i wasn't about to take the chance of having $500 shocks blow prematurely because of the Sportlines. Maybe the Koni's are the best for the Sportlines, maybe someone with that spring/damper combo could comment on how their setup is holding up.
Chet: no, i didn't kick him in the shin (at the time, there was plenty of physical violence later), but he's no longer my bf now. :evilhaha
Of course, the Rep from Tire Rack told me that the Koni's are a better bet for my Sportlines, but i wasn't about to take the chance of having $500 shocks blow prematurely because of the Sportlines. Maybe the Koni's are the best for the Sportlines, maybe someone with that spring/damper combo could comment on how their setup is holding up.
Chet: no, i didn't kick him in the shin (at the time, there was plenty of physical violence later), but he's no longer my bf now. :evilhaha