Google vs AT&T ... GO GOOGLE!!!!!

[RobPaulson]

so apparently ATT and google have been at eachothers throats recently.

If i read it right, ATT is limiting bandwith to google specific services because such services bypass/workaround ATT intended functionality and bog down the AT&T network.

Google is obviously outraged. They seem to have the support of a lot of their constituents and lobbiests and investors.

My opinion, GO GOOGLE!!!! FUK AT&T! I have noticed this on my iphone, google video streams like CRAP over my 3g connection (as opposed to wifi, there is a noticeable difference in video quality and speed recently, about a year ago this was not apparent) AT&T slammed google apps like google voice and other services. This is BS, I pay $100/month for my service, i should be able to do whatever the f*** i want on my phone. you alrdy have my money AT&T STOP BEIN GREEDY!

What u guys think?

http://online.wsj.com/article/..._tech

[marlin29311]

What u guys think?

I think At&T sucks. That's why I'm on Verizon

[numbnuts240]

I think At&T sucks. That's why I'm on Verizon

[RobPaulson]

I think At&T sucks. That's why I'm on Verizon

NO! SSSHH!! this will NOT turn into a verizon/ATT thing, i ONLY mentioned my iphone as an example. this thread is not about combating service providers. back to google vs att.

srsly guys?

[RCA]

Not only that but Google voice gives you a second phone number and you can call from it and have calls delivered to that number and it has an awesome online interface to deal with voice mails left on your Google voice account.

AT&T wanted nothing of that, a free service provided by Google was not in total control of by AT&T, so they flipped sh*t. They denied the Google service basically lying as to why they did revoke it's use. Google took them to court

People with unlocked iPhones really took advantage of having a Google Voice account. I love Google

I think At&T sucks. That's why I'm on Verizon

I don't think AT&T sucks, this whole controversy is Apple, and no one else. They need to have every user by the balls or they throw hissy fits. F**K APPLE

[RobPaulson]

I don't think AT&T sucks, this whole controversy is Apple, and no one else. They need to have every user by the balls or they throw hissy fits. F**K APPLE

apple was the company that implemented tethering and native video streaming on their devices. they allowed for 3rd party development of applications that opened the door for google to develop these loopholes in AT&T business model. ATT flipped s*** and blocked everything. where do you get apple out to be the bad guys?

(trust me i'm not a fanboi, i have an iphone, but will be dropping its sorry a** as soon as the DROID is released, because of AT&T, NOT because of the iphone/apple)

[marlin29311]

NO! SSSHH!! this will NOT turn into a verizon/ATT thing, i ONLY mentioned my iphone as an example. this thread is not about combating service providers. back to google vs att.

srsly guys?

I'm not trying to make it a Verizon/AT&T war...I'm just saying that all the garbage AT&T pulls (such as this) leads me to not want to be with them and got to another competitor. There are a ton of things I can point out about VZW that I don't like too....

But AT&T ousting a 3rd party developer that helps people choose a certian device that only AT&T carries is a blatantly dumbass move.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Let's see...I have unpleasant experiences with AT&T, and I actually like Google quite a bit. Not hard to decide who to root for for me.

Even aside from that, those are pretty dirty moves from AT&T. I'm sick of phone companies restricting phone performance so they can benefit. If I buy a phone I have the right to do whateverthehell I feel like with it. I will NOT pay for GPS usage, and I won't tolerate my phone company throttling me out of alternatives to their inferior offerings. This crap should not be legal. I wouldn't be surprised if this comes back to bite AT&T in the a** in a very painful way regarding phone hardware capability service limitations.

[numbnuts240]

unfortunately, i'm stuck with at&t as far as decent cable/internet. i'm patiently waiting for fios to become available in my area.

[Dittoz7]

Guessing It Has To Do Something With This.

http://lifehacker.com/5382770/...voice

[RCA]

apple was the company that implemented tethering and native video streaming on their devices. they allowed for 3rd party development of applications that opened the door for google to develop these loopholes in AT&T business model. ATT flipped s*** and blocked everything. where do you get apple out to be the bad guys?

(trust me i'm not a fanboi, i have an iphone, but will be dropping its sorry a** as soon as the DROID is released, because of AT&T, NOT because of the iphone/apple)

Well if you feel that if AT&T never created tethering or native streaming video, then it wouldn't exist... I have no argument, but it would of been done by some one else if it hadened been for AT&T. Also no business has the right to exist, they have to work at being the best, being ahead of every one and adapting to new business models. Look at newspapers, allot of smaller regional papers are closing but local papers and larger papers are doing fine. They all had to adapt to survive in today's different information exchanges.

But in Apples case they are basically saying "we worked hard to get where we are, and we can not continue to make b/millions if things start heading in the direction they are heading. So we are going to hold back every one with our products from experiencing the future of phone technology".That is a wrong way of doing things. I am not a fan of Apple, although their OSs run smooth and efficient... for those who can afford them

Also here is a link about some of the questionable decisions Apple as made about iPhone Apps (NSFW LINK):http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...anned/

I won't tolerate my phone company throttling me out of alternatives to their inferior offerings. This crap should not be legal. I wouldn't be surprised if this comes back to bite AT&T in the a** in a very painful way regarding phone hardware capability service limitations.

Seriously this reminds me of Net Neutrality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUm1PRxJOQ
Modified by RCA at 10:49 AM 10/26/2009

[RobPaulson]

Seriously this reminds me of Net Neutrality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUm1PRxJOQ

thats exactly what it is, its mentioned multiple times throughout the article.

[RCA]

thats exactly what it is, its mentioned multiple times throughout the article.

So how can you defend some one who doesn't want to follow the rules of Net Neutrality (NN)?

I understand what Apple is doing, they are protecting their own interests. I have no problem with that, even Google has lobbyist just like Apple but messing with NN is a huge No-No. I hope this bites Apple is the a** soo hard.

Also this is a good indicator of a failing business model:

[RobPaulson]

So how can you defend some one who doesn't want to follow the rules of Net Neutrality (NN)?

what are you talking about? I was not able to read your NSFW link. Although i think your a bit off topic here...

Not allowing software to be installed on a device is one thing, restricting bandwidth of a service based on its source/destination is another thing. we are discussing the latter.

[RCA]

door for google to develop these loopholes in AT&T business model. ATT flipped s*** and blocked everything. where do you get apple out to be the bad guys?

Not being able to use the Google's Talk service would fall under the category of NN for me. Google Voice uses bandwidth from a phone carriers internet not the carriers phone system so it sure smells like a NN issue to me. If that is not the case then I appologize. If what Apple is doing isn't attacking NN and it doesn't bother you then I guess they are doing nothing wrong.

Also my link was just Apple douchebaggery bonus material.

[adrianfromthecastle]

<- patiently waits for a jail break for the 3gs

actually, there already was a jailbreak for the 3.0 OS (MMS and Tether option is ooold news)...

but as soon as AT&T and Apple offered the 3.1 OS, [without warning] it basically killed your tether (if you already had the jailbreak previously done)...

AT&T sucks balls.

[initial_jc]

FCC commissioners voted unanimously to move forward with the rule-making process but the two Republicans on the commission disagreed on the need for them and raised concerns about how the rules might apply to wireless providers and premium services that cable and phone companies want to offer.

AT&T and other Internet-access providers want latitude to manage traffic on congested wireless networks and freedom to devote a chunk of their wired networks to selling more expensive services. Internet providers are worried regulators are assuming veto power over their efforts to develop new revenue streams from their Internet lines.

This seems that it would affect more then just AT&T

[ScrapMetal]

unfortunately, i'm stuck with at&t as far as decent cable/internet. i'm patiently waiting for fios to become available in my area.

I also had AT&T for cable/internet but switched over to Comcast because of AT&T's s***ty service.

AT&T blows, always has always will.

I'm just glad I have Metro PCS down here in Miami. f*** contracts, I hate getting married to a company.

[initial_jc]

In order for Google to make an app for the iphone they have to use apple's SDK and in order to use the SDK they have to agree to the EULA, which is going to favor apple.

If Google did want to release an APP that would get rejected by apple, then they should release it using the jailbreak method.

Google voice provides an online voicemail-mailbox, which sounds very much like visual voicemail that is already installed on the iphone, so i can see why apple would reject that app because it mimics something that it already has installed on it. That is also why there probably isnt another internet browser for the iphone other then apples own safari.

[RCA]

This seems that it would affect more then just AT&T

Seriously this reminds me of Net Neutrality

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFUm1PRxJOQ

[MinisterofDOOM]

In order for Google to make an app for the iphone they have to use apple's SDK and in order to use the SDK they have to agree to the EULA, which is going to favor apple.

First off, this has nothing to do with Apple. This is an AT&T SERVICES issue. The iPhone ONLY enters into the discussion by the fact that it can be had with AT&T service.

Secondly, the subject is NOT "apps" (I really hate the misuse of that word that Apple has created). It is about ONLINE services that can be accessed via phones. The are not subject to Apple or AT&T approval because they have NOTHING TO DO with them. This is like your ISP restricting you to only their search engine and justifying it by saying that allowing you to use Google or Yahoo or Bing impairs the operation of their services. Even if that were true, they have no business telling you what you can do with your PC. AT&T has no business telling you what you can do with your phone. If you're able to access an online voicemail service, AT&T does not have the right to stop you doing that. Doesn't matter if it's better or worse or how it compares to AT&T's voicemail.

[nissangirl74]

so apparently ATT and google have been at eachothers throats recently.

If i read it right, ATT is limiting bandwith to google specific services because such services bypass/workaround ATT intended functionality and bog down the AT&T network.

Google is obviously outraged. They seem to have the support of a lot of their constituents and lobbiests and investors.

My opinion, GO GOOGLE!!!! FUK AT&T! I have noticed this on my iphone, google video streams like CRAP over my 3g connection (as opposed to wifi, there is a noticeable difference in video quality and speed recently, about a year ago this was not apparent) AT&T slammed google apps like google voice and other services. This is BS, I pay $100/month for my service, i should be able to do whatever the f*** i want on my phone. you alrdy have my money AT&T STOP BEIN GREEDY!

What u guys think?

http://online.wsj.com/article/..._tech

Go google!

I used to have AT&T in my late teens and I had them when they bought out Cingular. Never had problems with Cingular, started having problems with AT&T right away. I think AT&T needs to be very careful about pissing off Google because here is the thing. I can see someone at Google saying, OK, F***you and boycott AT&T all together. They'll create something that will block all AT&T users from being able to access them. Let's see how long it would take people to leave and go with another phone company.

[Kalypso]

I think At&T sucks. That's why I'm on Verizon

yes yes... and yes

[RCA]

Some more Google VS AT&T:http://www.techcrunch.com/2009...mbers/

And some Droid-age:http://www.fastcompany.com/blo...r=rss