Goku VS Superman

[numbnuts240]

Here's how time travel is relevent...

The year is 1995. Goku is ready to fight and OH s*** HERE COMES SUPERMAN FROM THE FUTURE OH f*** HE'S COMING RIGHT TO GOKU s*** s*** s*** s*** s***!

Or the past. As stated, Pre-Crisis Supes is a badass.

would never happen. if superman wins, then there is no reason for him to travel back in time to kill goku, since goku would have been dead after the fight anyways. if goku were to win, then there would be no future superman to travel back in time and kill goku. unless of course we're talking about traveling between parallel dimensions, then everyone's theories are garbage and it's open season on anything.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

School me on superman's time travel ability. that's when he flys around earth to rotate it backwards right? How's he doing that when he he has goku's fist in the back of his head?

It's too close a fight, imo, for any of us to say. Only the writers can say.

Dude, that's movie Superman. Super-weak.

Superman has traveled through time by flying fast enough in a circle to create a vortex, allowing time travel.

Even if he had to fly around the planet, though, Goku couldn't catch him to put a fist into the back of his head...

Goku is hard core, folks, but Superman's real advantage is he's been around so long there pretty much isn't a power the writers HAVEN'T given him.

would never happen. if superman wins, then there is no reason for him to travel back in time to kill goku, since goku would have been dead after the fight anyways. if goku were to win, then there would be no future superman to travel back in time and kill goku. unless of course we're talking about traveling between parallel dimensions, then everyone's theories are garbage and it's open season on anything.

DC time travel is somehow remarkably paradox-resistant.

[DrifterXRPS13]

I understand. It's all good.

You are right that time periods is irrelevant, i was merely answering a question that was asked, no harm done.

I was also trying to tell people who are trying to compare the 95's that it doesn't matter because superman was stronger before in the silver age and was actually depowered and regained his powers during that ('95) time.

My question is though, why would they fight each other in the first place? They are both pretty much the same character, actually goku is a ripoff of superman but I don't think this fight would ever even happen and they wouldn't use trickery, i think it would be a good ol fashion fight...Goku with his saiyan pride and superman with his truth, justice and the american way.

[VNG704]

^true, and the winner would be who ever the writers chose to be.

[alms24sebring]

+1 for goku. I believe that SSJ4 goku would eliminate superman, even tho it would be a great fight.

I have to admit, i never really watched/read superman shows or comics at all. Ive really only seen a couple episodes when he was fighting Apocolipse, so I cant really compare power levels and abilities. I think Superman has more physical strength but Goku has more ki energy and martial arts moves..... very powerful ki attacks btw.

First of all, instant transmission is instant.. hints the word in the move. He went to Namek instantly to pick up Dendae and came back in the Cell saga. So they both can destroy planets by looking at them, so where would they fight? Hyperbolic time chamber? otherworld?

Brolly only lost because Vegeta gave his power up, and they were only SSJ1, fairly weak on the scale but one of the greatest fights.

Superman would go back in time to kill goku only because hes a little biiiiiiitch and knows he'll lose if Goku's at full power haha.

Goku all the way!!!!.....

Superfriends sucked!!!

[numbnuts240]

the thing about these debates is, favoritism, egos, and lack of knowledge are more involved than factual evidence. i openly admit that i know very little about superman. i never really liked him, can't give you an actual reason why, i just didn't. i enjoyed watching the dbz anime therefore i know more about goku. the only things i know about superman are what was portrayed in cartoons (didn't watch any of the movies in their entirety, again, due to my general dislike of superman). i also imagine that goku's abilities might be different between the animated series and the manga, i'm not sure if that's true, nor do i really care to find out.

the proper way to compare is to compare apples to apples. superman in his prime from the comics, and goku in his prime from the manga.likewise, if you prefer the animated version of one, you have to consider the animated version of the other.

[DrifterXRPS13]

Well tito, that's what's so hard about comparing the two in their "primes" If you do that, than superman would win by a mile if not a couple galaxies.

Goku's prime is ssj4 correct. Supermans' prime currrently is superman prime, if i'm not mistaken, i mean their really is no comparison, none whatsoever...goku wouldn't even be a challenge. That's why i was trying to give you all a brief a history of superman since most people here know more about DB than superman.

alms24sebring: First off superman doesn't kill people, it's just not in his code, goku does, although for good reasons.

And again, you can't really know the limits of supes powers as the comics are still being written and being changed all the time.

Here's something to consider though.

This is a fight to the finish, not a fight to the death. Let's do a few point-counterpoints...

1) Goku uses Damn-Powerful Cosmic Energy (or D.P.C.E.), which is roughly comparable to The Source or the Power Cosmic (if we reference DC or Marvel Comics, respectively). If we move Goku to the comics realm, his power level would be about equal to Takion, Darkseid, or Silver Surfer.

1B) However, D.P.C.E. is neither kryptonite, magic, nor the powers of a red sun... so while Goku's powers will hurt and could eventually kill Supes, it will not be easy.

2) Goku is more likely than Superman to kill any opposition.

2B) Superman has more than proven that he can take beings out of action without killing them, and he is not hindered in doing so.

3) Goku has a definite edge in sheer power (ki)

3B) Supes has a huge edge in experience and tactics. Also, since they are fighting on an abandoned planet, there are no innocents for Supes to worry about. As long as innocents aren't in danger, he's bright enough to realize that he's out-powered, and he won't be greatly distracted or angered. If there were, Goku would win (when you think about it, that's how Doomsday won).

3) Goku has the "power" advantage and is more of a ranged combatant, while Supes has the "physical" advantage and is an all-around (melee & ranged) fighter. Would Goku be in trouble if Supes gets close? Yes. Supes has the speed to get close, the fortitude to take several Goku-sized blasts, and the strength to knock Goku down.

I'm not saying that Superman would definitely win, but it's far more likely than him losing to Goku. Yes, Goku could win, but he would have to A) discover Superman's weaknesses, then B) knock Superman into a "red sun" solar system, and probably C) find some random "innocent" to distract Big Blue.

[VNG704]

"C)" probably wouldn't happen as goku's just about as much an innocent protector as sman is.D)learn a new power like he's always done when he comes back from training.

Yea, sman's story is still being written and will for a long time. His prime isn't written yet.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

i openly admit that i know very little about superman.

I have to admit, i never really watched/read superman shows or comics at all. Ive really only seen a couple episodes when he was fighting Apocolipse, so I cant really compare power levels and abilities. I think Superman has more physical strength but Goku has more ki energy and martial arts moves..... very powerful ki attacks btw.

Very nice.

Clearly it's all favoritism, egos, and lack of knowlege...

the proper way to compare is to compare apples to apples. superman in his prime from the comics, and goku in his prime from the manga.likewise, if you prefer the animated version of one, you have to consider the animated version of the other.

As stated, Superman Prime with the Green Lantern ring.

Though the case could be made that "Silver Age"/Pre-Crisis Superman could also get the job done.

But Superman Prime? Even minus the ring, he's overly powerful.

[numbnuts240]

after reading that post (a good one btw), i had an epiphany of sorts. the comparison shouldn't be done at the end of db, nor at their prime. i think it should be done with 1995 goku and 1943 superman. that will give each of them 11 years of character development since their first inception. there is no fairer comparison than that.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

after reading that post (a good one btw), i had an epiphany of sorts. the comparison shouldn't be done at the end of db, nor at their prime. i think it should be done with 1995 goku and 1943 superman. that will give each of them 11 years of character development since their first inception. there is no fairer comparison than that.

Naaaah, Superman's timeline is more drawn out. 11 years of Goku's development is a far larger percent than 11 years of Supe's. Now, how to make that fair?

Here's the ultimate fairness.DB started in 1984 and DBGT went to 1997 (so wiki says). That means in 1995 Goku was roughly 85% "developed"Superman, 1938 to we'll say 2008. 70 years (holy s***!). What's 85% of 70? 60 years. 1938+60=1998.

Drifter XRPS13 might know better, but isn't 1998 the Superman Red/Superman Blue arc? At that point, Superman was pretty much a being of pure energy, right?

[DrifterXRPS13]

Yup...he was split in two at that point...two beings of pure energy, only difference was the girl each one was with.

[numbnuts240]

that's it, i was hoping it wouldn't come to this. there's only one true way to end this...

[DrifterXRPS13]

Watch out! they're breakdance fighting!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

that's it, i was hoping it wouldn't come to this. there's only one true way to end this...

Chicken!

CAW-KA-CAW-KA-CAW!

[DrifterXRPS13]

Bwahahahahah!!!

also, superman has the sword of god, so can't touch this, (insert mchammers song)

[VNG704]

http://www.encyclopediadramati...erman

[alms24sebring]

I know 100% that im being alittle biest against Superman, only because i dont know him. If Goku has an even 1% chance, he will win as he has proved in the past is all im saying. Somehow he would be informed of kryptnite, sman would be weakened, goku would blast a super kamehameha wave into the "red star" solar system lol! just playin.. they should really make this fight..

[Steady_One_S13]

Superman doesnt have to fukin train, this is bulls***. Superman would see thru goku with his XRAY eyes and be like "haha, looks like another p****" and then burn Gokus gay a** hair with his heat vision then superman would freeze goku his freeze breathe s*** then fly around the world in reverse turning back time just to kick gokus a** again. fukin kamehahameha was a hawaiian chief not a fukin battle move. his only weaknesses are kryptonite and louis lanes snatch.

/IMO rant

So you're not a DBZ fan. Cool np. Check out the episode of Goku vs. Cell.Sure, Superman has the strength but he also has a weakness. S***, Gokucan be killed, so can Superman be killed. The difference is, Goku can be wished back to life through the Dragon Balls by gathering the balls and summoning the Dragon. Yeah superman can fly and fly around the world, freeze time, but he can't teleport at the speed of light like Goku. Goku can't be frozen. Superman can't catch a Super Saiyan. Super Saiyans can move (teleport) and smash the s*** out of anyone from behind or in front of their opponent. Goku's kamehameha can destroy a planet. And yes, it's a battle move. Sorry to correct you. It's "Kamanawanalea"...was a made-up Hawaiian idol ("the god of lust and perversion"). by The Turtles. I have that album cuz I love diggin' in the crates.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

but he can't teleport at the speed of light like Goku.

Somebody didn't read the thread very well, did he?

Superman has been clocked at almost 8 times the speed of light. Evidence has shown he's even faster.

Fact: Goku is slower than Superman.

[s14derrick]

i would want goku to win. never been much of a fan of superman. but how about this... what if goku used the dragon balls to wish for immotality.. then what. how to kill someone who is unable to be killed.

[Steady_One_S13]

IMO

[numbnuts240]

http://www.encyclopediadramati...erman

everything in that link is pure comedic gold.

[DrifterXRPS13]

Dude that link is like the internet described as is! brilliant! i lulled many times!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

IMO

There is no "IMO" when it comes to their respective speeds...

Dude that link is like the internet described as is! brilliant! i lulled many times!

ED is full of teh funny. If more people would read and understand it, the internet would be a funnier place.

The "Learn'd" thread could stand to read up on memes.

[DrifterXRPS13]

ED is cool but it's written in the same way 4chan (scum) members speak which is highly annnoying amongst other things.

The learned'd crew is cool how we are...although i do venture into ED and 4chan (scum)to make sure i'm up to date on meme's and the internet as a whole.

[numbnuts240]

so who ended up winning in avp? i didn't see any of the flicks after the first one.

[Steady_One_S13]

There is no "IMO" when it comes to their respective speeds...

My bad. I was never a Superman fan. I always believed he was a pansyhero. Surely, not my hero. Besides it's all a fantasy. Make belief.

[DrifterXRPS13]

ugh...avp was so crappy dude...i mean the first one was good and the second one just sucked donkey balls for monkey quarters.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

so who ended up winning in avp? i didn't see any of the flicks after the first one.

Who won in AVP:The movie theatersAnyone else who earned money from that movie

Who lost in AVP:I lost my $7.85 watching that POS.

ED is cool but it's written in the same way 4chan (scum) members speak which is highly annnoying amongst other things.

The learned'd crew is cool how we are...although i do venture into ED and 4chan (scum)to make sure i'm up to date on meme's and the internet as a whole.

Everything you think is cool on the internet was created or made popular enough for you to notice by those scum. Show a little respect to your progenitors.