Godspeed 90mm Throttle Body + Intake manifold

[StricNyne]

thats a nice looking tb i wonder if it leaks

[jdmser]

I let you know when my motors done. I got the same one from ebay and it's the same one RIPS has on the motors on their site.

[Shocker]

Buy my rb25 manifold. Its better, hand made, tig welded, velocity stacked and polished yum yum. OH yeah comes with Q45 TB.

oh yeah as for the 10-15 dollars in materials your forgetting the R&D, labor it takes to make it, not to mention the castings used to make it. ect ect ect.

China gets away with making cheap a** products because they are going through an industrial revolution, there is no EPA, there is no Osha, they pay their workers cheap, therefore they can make a much cheaper product. The Japanese were the same way back in the 60's-70's. Not all china parts are bad, but some I'd stay far away from.

[TheKon]

Well shocker...I hate to break your heart but I'm sure 90% of the things you've purchased in your life is made in China...so you can't just knock something for being made in china. And honestly....I'm pretty sure Greddy didn't spend the millions of dollars they had to have made on these manifolds to design them. Lets be fair...I'd love to support Greddy, but they aint done s*** for me and I just can't see myself paying that outrageous mark up for a sticker. I'd love to have a custom intake mani like yours but I imagine you want more than $200 for it.

[Bluefire]

Well shocker...I hate to break your heart but I'm sure 90% of the things you've purchased in your life is made in China...so you can't just knock something for being made in china. And honestly....I'm pretty sure Greddy didn't spend the millions of dollars they had to have made on these manifolds to design them. Lets be fair...I'd love to support Greddy, but they aint done s*** for me and I just can't see myself paying that outrageous mark up for a sticker. I'd love to have a custom intake mani like yours but I imagine you want more than $200 for it.

You know what I find hilarious? You keep saying you'd love to support greddy, yet you would go out and spend money to buy a knock-off which hurts greddy's business. Seriously you should just cut the s*** and admit your just cheap. To say $200 is too much for a hand built manifold that would take AT LEAST a day to fab is just ridiculous.

You say greddy hasn't done s*** for you... Thank greddy for creating this manifold, so that you can go out and blow $300 on a knock-off version. I respect greddy because they are constantly coming out with innovative parts to boost the import scene. The knock-offs companies do nothing but try and make a quick buck from it. What do you think will happen once all the REAL companies are out of business?

And on top of that you seem to think you know what it takes to manufacture and market a cast manifold, when in reality you don't have a clue. Let me also remind you that this manifold is on a somewhat unpopular engine, which means less volume and higher costs. This means they have to charge more to turn a worthwhile profit, otherwise its not even worth creating in the first place.

These knock-off companies don't have to do s*** or put up any real money to push there products. All they do is re-mold and re-cast the piece.

Mods need to just lock this thread and let it die....
Modified by Bluefire at 11:16 PM 9/3/2009

[TheKon]

You know what I find hilarious? You keep saying you'd love to support greddy, yet you would go out and spend money to buy a knock-off which hurts greddy's business. Seriously you should just cut the s*** and admit your just cheap. To say $200 is too much for a hand built manifold that would take AT LEAST a day to fab is just ridiculous.

You say greddy hasn't done s*** for you... Thank greddy for creating this manifold, so that you can go out and blow $300 on a knock-off version. I respect greddy because they are constantly coming out with innovative parts to boost the import scene. The knock-offs companies do nothing but try and make a quick buck from it. What do you think will happen once all the REAL companies are out of business?

And on top of that you seem to think you know what it takes to manufacture and market a cast manifold, when in reality you don't have a clue. Let me also remind you that this manifold is on a somewhat unpopular engine, which means less volume and higher costs. This means they have to charge more to turn a worthwhile profit, otherwise its not even worth creating in the first place.

These knock-off companies don't have to do s*** or put up any real money to push there products. All they do is re-mold and re-cast the piece.

Mods need to just lock this thread and let it die....

Modified by Bluefire at 11:16 PM 9/3/2009

Once again with the patronizing. *sigh* I honestly don't care how the manifold was made or where it came from. Its not that I'm opposed to spending more than $200, its just I really don't need to. I'm not building a 1000hp race car. I'm sure you wouldn't buy a $2000 TV for your bedroom. Thats just overkill. So why are you selling your custom manifold? Did it not work out for you? Did it not fit? Did it not suit your needs or are you selling the car because you blew too much money on stupid parts (Although I'm sure it is very nice and I'd jump on it but for now it seems like over kill for me). I'm trying to save money where I can so I can spend the money where I need to (Turbo, Turbo Manifold, drive train, etc.) I don't need to explain my shopping habits to you guys, its my build. And sadly everyone seems to ignore anyone who says anything positive about the manifold, which is almost funny. Someone says its even possible a knock-off manifold could be better quality and that thread was completely ignored. (Though I haven't seen both yet I just saw it was funny that no one ripped that post apart, though he makes a good point) I think I understand what is going on here (not that I'm a psychologist). Those who spend $700 more on the same thing need to feel like they made the right choice. Greddy isn't going under because of "knock off parts" thats like saying GM is going under because of Hyundai. Greddy is going under because of poor business practices, in fact Japan has been in a recession for a while now too so don't blame it on the few thousand manifolds godspeed had sold in comparison to the hundreds of thousands Greddy manifold in people's cars. You're right they spent a lot of money on R&D. Thats fine. But you can only milk that for so long. Remember this thread the next time you purchase "generic drugs". Keep in mind Greddy makes a lot of parts that are clearly over priced. Like their intercooler kit. Their entry level intercooler kit is like $800 only good for 300HP while godspeed or even mishimoto intercooler kit is closer to $300. You can blow all YOUR money I'm glad you're made of it, I really am, but I'm not. I'm sorry to disappoint you. Call me cheap, I really don't care what you think, but I'm not going to be naive and spend waay more money to achieve the same thing. And what was the last innovative thing greddy released? Their turbo kit for the 350z? Which are rebranded turbos anyway. And they're not even the company that developed the fuel return line kit for the VQ engine. So yeah...not to talk s*** on Greddy it's good stuff I just wish it was a little more cost effective. I'm not cheap, I just don't like pissing money away, but think what you want..I'm not here to impress you, just collect information.
Modified by TheKon at 4:03 AM 9/4/2009

[Syncade]

You know what I find hilarious? You keep saying you'd love to support greddy, yet you would go out and spend money to buy a knock-off which hurts greddy's business. Seriously you should just cut the s*** and admit your just cheap. To say $200 is too much for a hand built manifold that would take AT LEAST a day to fab is just ridiculous.

You say greddy hasn't done s*** for you... Thank greddy for creating this manifold, so that you can go out and blow $300 on a knock-off version. I respect greddy because they are constantly coming out with innovative parts to boost the import scene. The knock-offs companies do nothing but try and make a quick buck from it. What do you think will happen once all the REAL companies are out of business?

And on top of that you seem to think you know what it takes to manufacture and market a cast manifold, when in reality you don't have a clue. Let me also remind you that this manifold is on a somewhat unpopular engine, which means less volume and higher costs. This means they have to charge more to turn a worthwhile profit, otherwise its not even worth creating in the first place.

These knock-off companies don't have to do s*** or put up any real money to push there products. All they do is re-mold and re-cast the piece.

Mods need to just lock this thread and let it die....

Modified by Bluefire at 11:16 PM 9/3/2009

Every post you make, I agree with.

[craz4240]

I installed one of these manifolds on a friends car not long ago.......honestly it was complete s***. Where to start the casting was terrible,the bolt holes for the water rails didn't line up,the hardware was cheap .02 cent junk,the flange to head wasn't straight and cost 100$ in machine work to fix,the hole for the water tube for the top rad hose was oval not round and we had to dremel that out,the bracket for the throttle cable had to be modded significantly to work....but all in all it bolted to the head.

[Razi]

Guess what pays for that advertising.... you do with the 1000% markup you're paying!

You're paying for the research and development that went into it.

GReddy and Godspeed are companies that are on completely different levels of quality.

Don't put them on the same level and blame the price difference on advertising costs.

[TheKon]

I installed one of these manifolds on a friends car not long ago.......honestly it was complete s***. Where to start the casting was terrible,the bolt holes for the water rails didn't line up,the hardware was cheap .02 cent junk,the flange to head wasn't straight and cost 100$ in machine work to fix,the hole for the water tube for the top rad hose was oval not round and we had to dremel that out,the bracket for the throttle cable had to be modded significantly to work....but all in all it bolted to the head.

So then I have a question...what happened when you contacted godspeed?

[john450r]

How did the manifold work out?

I stopped buying Greddy products 8 years ago after a bad customer service experience and refuse to buy anything from them. So I kinda need an alternative...

[flatrate]

didnt greddy go tits up? regardless 800 bucks for a cast intake manifold is a bit rediculous... i personally have an ISIS intake on my RB and it fit well and came with everything needed... casting was pretty good... im not a person that goes out and finds the cheapest parts but i do like to buy parts that are reasonably priced...and the greddy intake isnt one of those

[craz4240]

So then I have a question...what happened when you contacted godspeed?

I didn't contact godspeed, it wasn't my car or my money. I made the recommendation to a friend before,during and after for him not to buy this manifold...and when the dust settled it did work...but it took alot of time to achieve that outcome.

As for actual dynamics and advantages other then routing of IC piping I can't really comment on it.

[slidestyle69]

I had a bad experience with godspeed a couple years back. I ordered one of their intercooler kits for my s14 and to make the first note, four weeks went by and never received it...i called and they sent me one out 2 day shipping and guess what....i dont know what they were thinking but i ordered a polished kit and got a literally spray painted black intercooler that was chipping as i pulled it out of the box and the charge pipes were so screwed up i had to call and get new pipes sent to me and guess what..sigh..it wasnt a one time mishap...the next set were the same s***, so i had to custom fab my charge pipes and later had to buy another pipe kit from gredddy...PERFECT FIT!!!!! ......so $500 dollars and 6 weeks later i had a fully working fmic setup...thanks godspeed for the great effort to make your customers happy ...

[DrifterProdigy85]

I can't say anything about Godspeed but I've owned alot of greddy products all bought brand new. Some worked great. Others had some issues. Turbo timer worked well. Profec b spec ii boost controller was absolute junk. Didn't work on my sr or the rb I had. Intake manifold for the sr was ok but had issues with stripped bolt holes at the rear ground and the throttle bracket holes. Slightly rough casting in the iacv area. RS bov was junk. Leaked where the piston seals at the bottom. The R bov worked great. Normal spring held 30psi all day. Stiff spring wouldn't open anything lower than 30psi. I've had my ups and downs on greddy products. I don't think there prices are really worth it. I'd rather spend that kind of money on someone to make me a sheet metal intake before I buy greddy again.

[jacksonbrown]

Kon- I bought one of these knockoff mani's and casting wise it was great inside and out. The injector holes where machined a little offset from one cylinder to the other. I took it to a local machine shop and had them centered up and cost $125. machining Plus the cost of the manifold was about 1/2 the cost of greddy with all the same hardware. We are not talking about some complex moving parts assembly, its an F'ing manifold. The company I bought it from was willing to exchange just didn't want to end up with something worse. I am not paying for the name or what some advertising has brainwashed 18 year old kids into buying. I get a kick out of every thread on here people suggest you buy the most expensive part or your an idiot. My car is running now, not years from now and 50 g's later.
Modified by jacksonbrown at 3:10 PM 11/24/2009

[DrifterProdigy85]

I feel exactly the same. Ive found quality comes from something handmade and one off compared to some mass produced overcharged product. Greddy makes a killing on these manifolds. I highly doubt they spent much time and money with R&D cause all there manifolds follow the same designs. Short runners with a large plenum that tapers near the rear cylinder. Also if Greddy really spent much time testing these manifolds, wouldnt they list the flow charts of the manifolds? This would only increase there sales.

[TheKon]

Kon- I bought one of these knockoff mani's and casting wise it was great inside and out. The injector holes where machined a little offset from one cylinder to the other. I took it to a local machine shop and had them centered up and cost $125. machining Plus the cost of the manifold was about 1/2 the cost of greddy with all the same hardware. We are not talking about some complex moving parts assembly, its an F'ing manifold. The company I bought it from was willing to exchange just didn't want to end up with something worse. I am not paying for the name or what some advertising has brainwashed 18 year old kids into buying. I get a kick out of every thread on here people suggest you buy the most expensive part or your an idiot. My car is running now, not years from now and 50 g's later.

Modified by jacksonbrown at 3:10 PM 11/24/2009

Its responses like this that really just put a smile on my face. I've actually decided against the RB motor and going with the SR20. I just honestly don't think I'll have the traction to take the RB motor to it's fullest potential...that and a friend of mine who spent a number of years in japan (military) has horror stories about the RB25...really impressed with the RB26...wasn't happy with the RB25. I know its hearsay, but hey its all I got. Also I'm concerned about the severe understeer it causes. But I will be going with the godspeed manifold for the SR...every little bit helps. Thank you Jackson. This makes me confident in the manifold. And to all you Greddy fanboys....look...if it was a better product, I'd go that route, its obviously not. Between all the cars in my group of friends (300zx, 350z, G35, STi, another 300zx, my 240sx, another 240sx) We've had poor results with greddy, hks, stillen, etc. The only thing that ever "bolted up" 100% of the time was Nissan OEM. Not to say they don't make a good product...but the hard pipes, manifolds, non moving stuff....could have been done with knock off stuff...I'm glad that I'm not buying "s***" product. Thanks again Jackson!

[synergy]

Horror storys with rb25s? Now that is just funny.

You friend says they are bad so your listen... do some research on it and find out why its the most popular of all the rb swap in the US Its not garbage. And also the understeer is most likely referring to all the garbage sr fanboys say about how the rb25 throws the whole cars handling out of wack... Go look up rb25dets drifting.. they look like they are doing just fine. A rb25det with 300hp would smoke any sr20det with 300hp anyday.

but its cool.

[TheKon]

Horror storys with rb25s? Now that is just funny.

You friend says they are bad so your listen... do some research on it and find out why its the most popular of all the rb swap in the US Its not garbage. And also the understeer is most likely referring to all the garbage sr fanboys say about how the rb25 throws the whole cars handling out of wack... Go look up rb25dets drifting.. they look like they are doing just fine. A rb25det with 300hp would smoke any sr20det with 300hp anyday.

but its cool.

I'm sure the RB25 is a wonderful engine. It does come from a Nissan of course. Don't get me wrong. I'm not building a drift car, and understeer is very important in a drift car (Controllable drifting comes from understeer not oversteer and commonly mistaken). So I can see how that would help. I can imagine how the RB would "throw the car's handling out of whack" considering it's even heavier than the KA though I can't imagine by much. (Which makes sense because from what I've read the S13 is known for understeer) Either way...the SR hands down is waaaay more cost effective to tune and parts are easier to find. (Considering I live on the east coast and anything I wanna buy for that motor would come from Japan or California) No one will argue that. I haven't given up hope on the RB motor. Not at all. I'd really like to buy a skyline in the future. I just don't think it'd be the ideal motor in MY 240sx. I'm not building a car for drift. I'm not building a car for drag. (If I was I assure you there'd be an RB25DET on a UPS truck right now with my name on it) I think the SR motor will be ideal for me. In this car, for this build.

[DrifterProdigy85]

Horror storys with rb25s? Now that is just funny.

You friend says they are bad so your listen... do some research on it and find out why its the most popular of all the rb swap in the US Its not garbage. And also the understeer is most likely referring to all the garbage sr fanboys say about how the rb25 throws the whole cars handling out of wack... Go look up rb25dets drifting.. they look like they are doing just fine. A rb25det with 300hp would smoke any sr20det with 300hp anyday.

but its cool.

A 300hp SR and 300hp RB will run the same or the RB might be a touch slower because of the added weight. At 300hp they dont run that much different in tq. Even if you have the same hp with more tq, the tq is only gonna launch the car faster but youll still end up with the same trap speed. It comes down to car setup and driver when 2 cars are equal in power. Your only talking like .5L here. Its not like comparing a 350 to a 454. They make huge differences in tq but also hp. I support both engines and can personally tell you the SR is cheaper every way you look at it. I could build a 600hp SR for probably half the price of a RB. The only difference will be the turbo response.

[synergy]

Oh please.... Srs are way peakier than an rb. And extra tq down low is all that matters... HP is a made up figure based off TQ and RPM so if the rb has more tq all the way up the RPMS untill they both equal out the RB would be providing more power. I guess it also depends on what kind of race. I can see the SR maybe competeing at a 30roll pull but from a stop it doesnt have the bottom end and just a highway stright pull the weight difference would be less of an impact than the drag coefficient.

And when you can build a streetable sr20 cheaper than a streetable rb25 let me know. Not some dyno queen numbers either. And have fun with lag rb25 with 600hp will be so much less laggy than a sr20.

And to thekon. I just ordered a full JDM gasket kit for my rb25 and it was 124$ including valve seals and all the little gaskets. I also got my thermo for 12$ I dont know what the srs cost but i think thats even better than my USDM sentra parts i get.

[TheKon]

Oh please.... Srs are way peakier than an rb. And extra tq down low is all that matters... HP is a made up figure based off TQ and RPM so if the rb has more tq all the way up the RPMS untill they both equal out the RB would be providing more power. I guess it also depends on what kind of race. I can see the SR maybe competeing at a 30roll pull but from a stop it doesnt have the bottom end and just a highway stright pull the weight difference would be less of an impact than the drag coefficient.

And when you can build a streetable sr20 cheaper than a streetable rb25 let me know. Not some dyno queen numbers either. And have fun with lag rb25 with 600hp will be so much less laggy than a sr20.

And to thekon. I just ordered a full JDM gasket kit for my rb25 and it was 124$ including valve seals and all the little gaskets. I also got my thermo for 12$ I dont know what the srs cost but i think thats even better than my USDM sentra parts i get.

Well if you don't know what the SRs cost how can you make an educated guess? Go look up cams for the RB25 and the SR20...you'll probably laugh. I'm not building a 600hp 240sx. A 240sx is the wrong car to get 600hp, unless you want to build a drag car. Or a drift car...I'm not going for either.....In fact I've yet to actually see one over 500hp. Its just not wide enough. It can't fit a wide enough tire and the vehicle dynamics aren't there for me to do what I want with more than 450hp...ish. Which I'm sure will be enough for now. Believe me I was really really dissapointed the moment I realized that my 240sx was so limited. Oh and btw...500cc = appx 30ci.
Modified by TheKon at 10:48 AM 11/25/2009

[TheKon]

I'd like to make another point to everyone who says buy greddy. Since this product is better than greddyhttp://www.vividracing.com/cat....htmlWould you buy it?

[DrifterProdigy85]

From a launch the sr can do just as good as the rb. Launch is all on the driver and car setup. Engine for engine there both just as good. You learn to drive the powerband. My 2871r sr made 330whp 330tq all stock but fuel and tuning. It had a peaky tq curve and flat hp curve. Not all sr's are peaky hp wise. It's all on the parts you put on and how they work together. My later sr was based on high rpm flow which was making 500hp 380tq at low boost. Hp was peaky but still very fast. Ran a 10.8 @ 130mph on a stock trans and drag radials. Trying to say one engine is better than another is just ignorance for not understanding how to build a proper engine. The rb25 will spool a turbo quicker but it doesn't make as big of a difference as proper gearing, the driver, and rest of the car setup.

[jacksonbrown]

You can make good or bad points on either motor. Both would be plenty fast with minimal work. I ended up with an RB25 by default. I went to importers warehouse with all intentions of leaving with a 2JZ but when we arrived it was sold. Strong bottom end was intention of wanting 2J. The only reason I passed on SR was thinking that any given horsepower on 6 cyl would be less strain per cyl than SR. Other than that I'd be happy with either. Wasn't planning on buying pistons, rods and all other garb. I don't put much faith in any piece of metal. I can boost this thing till it blows and for the price of a set of pistons, buy another short block. And I wont be crying that my $800 pistons and $1000 set of rods and god knows what else broke on unforseen failure.

[l0nestar]

I'd like to make another point to everyone who says buy greddy. Since this product is better than greddyhttp://www.vividracing.com/cat....htmlWould you buy it?

It says 'JUN'. It's clearly worth $3,000.

[S-tec Motorsports]

Sorry to burst your bubble, but most all greddy product are MADE IN CHINA intercoolers intake manifolds exhaust manifolds, piping kits boost controllers ectthey are not tits up they are operating under bankruptcy protection.engine parts from japan right? yeah try america

now you got your pretty little box that says designed and manufactured in japan by greddy

that means they weld the endtanks on the intercoolers, and laser their name in to the top of a "ebay" intercooler. as most all ebay and greddy intercoolers are being made by the same person that makes HE intercoolers in china

funny thing is half the chinese workers weld better than some of the guys at greddy.

I would not go with a knock off greddy intake manifold. most of the ebay sellers will NOT pay for the manufacture process

The difference is one is made in traditional sand casting <the knock off>and one is made in epoxy resin cast molds, thats why greddys is so much better

Now that being said there is alot better designed manifold being cast in china and being welded in thailand. From a design point it is leaps and bounds above greddys stuff it is for sale on ebay

Make sure you get a 1 for 1 trade warranty with the guy about the flange being flat and no holes and if he messes up he pays for shipping

you do that he will check it before he sends it

[jrhdohc]

Do to cost being a large factor for you (and 95% of us), the real question is do you need an aftermarket manifold to make 450hp on a KA,SR, or RB. No you don't need it. 450hp can be made with stock RB25 exhaust manifold too.

Large short intake runners increase only peak power. Not much benefit on street/weekend track car. Greddy designed the manifold for use with 2.7 & 2.8ltr stroker kits. Volume of intake plenum should be 1.5 times the volume of the engine. This reduces surge pressure, both positive and negative, that can occur after increasing engine displacement. On the other side if you keep stock displacement and increase your intake plenum size your car will be less responsive. Both can hardly be measured but that is the science that motivates NISMO, Greddy, JUN, Top Secret.

Back to 450hp... build your KA24. If you're 100% set on the most cost effective route and don't want to pay for a name i.e. Greddy or RB or SR. KA24 can easily make 450hp. If you have a love for a smooth I6; RB is your man. There is no real need to swap to SR20.

Personally, I enjoy my smooth RB powered GT-R over my friends 180sx's and Silvia's. But, if I lived in the states and had a 240sx I'd rock the KA24. (actually I'd get a Z34 turbo'ed or R35 but that's another story). Swapping motors to be cool then buying cheap crap for it kind of defeats the purpose.

Good luck on the project and keep us posted on your progress.

[TheKon]

Well the car hasn't had a KA since I bought it. I bought a 240sx with an SR20 swap...but the guy had an issue or something and yanked the engine out of the car...so its a some assembly required type situation. I'm not really going for cost effective. I know its going to cost me a lot of money and I'm ok with that. I just don't want to spend money foolishly. There is a difference. The RB motor costs the same as the SR20...its just the little gains you get from upgrades aren't worth the price on the RB and since the 240sx isn't a very big car I'm not going to bother with stuffing a ton of power in it, because it'll be just like a mustang...lots of power...no traction. I don't want that. Believe me...I haven't sworn off the RB engines...they're great engines....so my next project will be a skyline gtr...that'll be my balls to the wall build...so to speak...but gotta finish this one first.