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Post by **NIGHTfall_240sx** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

I was just wondering if anyone has a full parts/price list to make a home built turbo kit for our cars. I know daniel240 is making one when he finishes and he mailed me what he had at the time, but if any of you have a complete parts/price list you can post for me that would be the coolest. I am planning on turbo charging my 240 soon, and i have nico and my friend David (s86d) here to help me. I want to start buying everything soon to boost my s14. thanks much guys.

and special thanks to you daniel240 for giving me the list before

-Jeff

Post by **TrunkMonkey** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

a parts list is pretty standard. the only difference is size and brand of certain items. if you have one list, you have them all.

prices vary. i've seen people turbo their cars for as little as $1500 and as much as $7000. it all depends on what kind of power you're looking for. the bigger your goals, the more money you'll spend. shop around the internet you should be able to find deals on the stuff you need.

-demetrius

Post by **huguetpj** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

Take a look at my site. Some prices might help you out, other won't since I had all my work done in Costa Rica. But the parts list might help you out.

Checkered-Member · Post by **Checkered-Member** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

Here for example is my list, any critics are welcomed

Turbo T3/T4 400Manifold Custom 500Intake Piping Custom 300Down Pipe Custom 200Exhausts 2.5" Custom 300

Intercooler johnnyracecar.com 230Wastegate Tial 35mm 135Bypass/Blow Off Valve None 100Injectors 370CC 100Fuel Pump Walbro 100 Oil cooler any 40

Piggy Back Greddy + extras 452 Turbo Timer Greddy 80Boost Controller Greddy 310 O2 sensor http://www.ka24de.com 340 Fuel Gauge Autometer 170Boost Gauge Autometer 170Gauge Pod gaugepods.com 50 Installation 500

Grand Total4477

Post by **Jonny 290** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

Here's my plot for 230 rwhp on a KA, with the capability to push it to 400 with fuel and ignition.

Garrett T3/T04E, .63 a/r stage 3 exhaust, .60 a/r 57 trim compressor - new $585Revhard manifold - used - 210HKS 40mm wg - used - 210Apexi SAFC - 320370cc SR injectors - 60Volvo IC - 100IC piping - 120Downpipe - 200gauges - 150 (a/f, EGT, boost, oil pressure)dyno time and tuning - $300etc - $250

total - $2500-ish

Checkered-Member · Post by **Checkered-Member** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

^^^^what about blow off valve, boost controller & turbo timer?

Post by **Jonny 290** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

Knew that I was forgetting something.

boost is limited at the wg with a .4 bar spring, which i am going to keep for a little while, but I'll throw a manual boost controller in for $30. BOV duties handled by HKS, and i can't justify a turbo timer at the moment. i can sit in the car for 30 seconds.

so tack another 200 on there for the bov. i'm sure i'm forgetting something else, it's early and i'm at work.

Post by **fiznat** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

heres my list:

PistonsRoss Racing Forged 8.5:1 Compression Ratio, .5mm oversized from http://www.ka24de.com$500 shipped

Turbo Manifold:Unstable Hybrids Top Mounthttp://www.unstable-hybrids.com$450 shipped

Turbo: T3/T4 Hybrid 50 trim, Turbine .63 A/R from http://store.yahoo.com/cheapturbo/gartur.htmlwith the 360 degree thrust bearing and wet bearing options$549 + $150

Intercooler ebay special~$300

IC pipingdonno yet

Fuel Pump:Walbro 244 lph from http://www.heavythrottle.com $119

Turbo Wastegate:Tial 35mm http://www.i-m-racing.com/tial35was.html$219

IgnitionMSD-6BTM Ignition Control (Item # MSD 6462)from http://store.summitracing.com/...=1114$335.95

Fuel DistributionSDS EIC (Extra Injector Control) Controller from http://www.sdsefi.com/eic.html$349

FuelMSD 50# injectors, JWT fuel railalready got em used together for $200

Blow Off Valve:HKS Super Sequential BOV from http://www.store.yahoo.com/pha...mwith the 60mm Aluminum Flange and Recirculation Fitting$199 + 34.99 + 11.99

GuagesAutometer Ultra Lite (2 1/16" / 52mm size)Boost Pressure, Air/Fuel Ratio, EGT (exhaust gas temperature)http://www.lancershop.com/auto...e.htmBoost is $56A/F Ratio is $62EGT is $135

Clutch:ACT Xtreme Street/Strip Kit for S13 1991-94 KA24DEfrom http://www.store.yahoo.com/pha....html$399

Wideband O2 Sensor Setup Innovate Motorsports LM-1from http://attila.sdsu.edu/~mmikse...d.htm$339

Exhaust:Apexi N1 Dual For S13from http://www.heavythrottle.com$500

I'll probably ebay most of this stuff, but I made a list for myself just so I know what I need and how much it usually costs, etc.

Post by **Jonny 290** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

I'm curious as to why you're adding additional injectors instead of replacing your stock ones...that EIC isn't a replacement for an SAFC...though it does look like a neat box.

Post by **NIGHTfall_240sx** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

ouch i was hoping to keep this 2K and below

oh well

Post by **Nathan** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

Because Fiznat's cool...he's using 50lber's plus the stockers with the eic running the 50lb's the stock computer running the stock injectors and an msd btm to pull back timing under boost. I think it's one of the best ideas I've heard of yet

Nightfall, you want a list check out the other thread in the KAT part titled something like KAT instead of RB? perhaps. I resurrected it recently with the ACTUAL prices I paid for things.

Post by **NIGHTfall_240sx** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

thanks bud

Post by **ziggy682** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

Here's a pretty list of my setup. I put the whole thing together for around $1600 using some new and some used parts.

http://www.trickmotorsports.ne...s.htm

Post by **fiznat** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

Nathan wrote:I think it's one of the best ideas I've heard of yet

Thanks man!

Yeah I picked this setup because I wanted 4 things in my design:

1. I wanted to be able to add boost, switch around air intake setups and designs, change turbos, basically do anything I want to the engine WITHOUT having to completly rip out the fuel system for an upgrade or a changeover. The extra injectors will be able to adapt to any situation I can make for my car. The JWT ECU cannot do this.

2. Tuning. I wanted my extra fuel to be referenced by BOTH manifold air pressure (boost), as well as RPM range. The S-AFC uses only RPM range. Also, the tuning process with this is a little simpler, because you are DIRECTLY adding fuel from another injector, no +34% this and that etc. With constant pressure, I will be able to add exactly the amount that I need, when I need it.

3. Timing. I wanted to be able to have an adaptive control on timing that I can mess around with when I need to. The JWT ECU's timing options does not offer this. You could use the BTM as well as the AFC but the AFC doesnt offer some things I want (see above)

4. Idling. With this setup, off boost peformance will be completely normal, as everything else in the fuel managment is completely stock. Basically, I am ONLY changing things when boost is on. When boost is off, the stock injectors will be controlled by the stock ECU at stock pressure: I should have zero problems whatsoever.

Post by **Jonny 290** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

OK. I definitely see where you're going with this.

And since you're not touching the airflow meter at all, you can just tune with a wideband across RPM and boost curves.

But are your stockers going to be running 100 percent a lot, then?

Definitely a cool plot.

Post by **fiznat** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

yup about tuning with the wideband... haha note its in my list of parts that I gotta buy... lol it's basically the key to the whole system running right.

yeah my stock injectors will be be maxing out alot of the time, but the way the EIC works is that you can tell the secondary injectors both when to turn on and how much to spray as the boost increases.. I suppose there is a slight worry about having the stock injectors at 100% all the time, but ya gotta remember that injector duty cycle is more a function of injection TIME than how much the injector can physically handle spraying. I really dont think 100% duty cycle is going to really wear out the injectors too much ... if thats what you were gettin at..?

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

NIGHTfall_240sx wrote:ouch i was hoping to keep this 2K and below oh well

you should be able to do a decent setup under $2000. my total cost is about $1500 for my setup. the more work you can do yourself, the cheaper it will be. i should be completely finished w/ mine this coming weekend.:ylsuper

Post by **fiznat** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

I tried to keep it under budget, but then you just WANT better stuff... I figured if I'm gonna put all this effort into the car I might as well do it right.

...plus I keep finding used parts so who knows how much I'll actually pay. Hey I saved like more than $300 on the injectors and rail already!

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

yea, originally i wanted to keep it under $800. haha, well that didnt last long before i knew it i was at 1000 then 1500. i saved a lot of money on used parts and good deals on ebay, and doing a lot of work myself.

Post by **NIGHTfall_240sx** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

oh cool... good to ehar you are almost done bro

i want pics man !!! you promised in aim already :-P heh well congrats man

Website · Post by **daniel240** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

yea i just have to weld up my downpipe and figure out how to wire up the msd btm. when its finished and running, ill get a bunch of pics and do a full write up.

Post by **NIGHTfall_240sx** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

yaaaaay!!! :-D cant wait too see and read it.. i been waiting ever since you told me about it on aim

Post by **j-z** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

you should easily be able to boost for under $1500. heres my list for when i ever find a god damn 240. -jgs stainless log turbo mani w/ wg flange = $200-garrett t3/t4E .48 a/r exhaust and .60a/r .57 trim compressor = $350 on ebay. hopefully i find one.-DSM bov w/flange = $50-2.25'' mandrel u-bends from jegs = $75 -im using an intercooler very similar to the johnnyracercar.com same core size i just have to weld some pipes to the endtanks and im set for FREE or you can go starion style which = $100-3'' mandrel u-bend for downpipe which i already have or $15-tial 35 mm wastegate .45 bar spring used = $150-oilfeed and return = $100-autometer boost and A/F gauge for $75 used-3'' flex section for DP =$50-FMU = free for me since i had one laying around or $75 used-inline fuel pump = $75-pipe connections, clamps, gaskets, misc. crap = $100 i have alot of stuff left over from previous boosted car.-borrow or rent a MIG welder = ? -greddy profec b = free for me but used theyre about $200. OPTIONALnow there may be a few nuts and bolts left out but thats a pretty basic setup for cheap. upgrade the fuel management and you can make alot more power. im giving myself $1300 to play with. what i have listed is less then that but you never know so thats why im leaving some left over. the main thing is to look and search if you wanna boost for the cheapest amount as possible. also having numerous good friends helps alot too. i will eventually upgrade the fuel management on my setup. it will consist of bigger injectors an safc and a walbro intank. thats about a $500 upgrade that will come later down the road.

Post by **NIGHTfall_240sx** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

sweet deal... thanks for the starter j-z

im buying spec V rims from a friend of a friend $400..so after that i will start the boost project.. thanks for all the feedback guys, feel free to post more

-Jeff

Post by **huguetpj** » Sat Dec 13, 2003 2:42 am

fiznat wrote:I tried to keep it under budget, but then you just WANT better stuff... I figured if I'm gonna put all this effort into the car I might as well do it right.

I hear ya. 5k and still going

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