Getting a legal Skyline, here

[edthemanjp]

I don't see anything in IAW49CFR593.5(A)(1)(ii) or Addendum A or B that states the doors must be modified. Maybe I am missing it. Are you thinking of: FMVSS 214 - Side Impact DynamicA new brace was added, tying the "B" pillar door lock assembly area to the rear tire well area.See 214 A and B.

Because that is not referring to the doors, and clearly shows in the diagram that it's the rear quarter panel.

I'll see if I can dig anything else up

As Sam has said and pictures show it's definitely in the door. Maybe the information you have is not complete or purposely incorrect. I have the same information as Sam stated and I looked at it 2 years ago but nothing recent. I will be at Portland Sunday, if you wish to discuss some of this stuff in person.

[Vandrel]

As Sam has said and pictures show it's definitely in the door. Maybe the information you have is not complete or purposely incorrect. I have the same information as Sam stated and I looked at it 2 years ago but nothing recent. I will be at Portland Sunday, if you wish to discuss some of this stuff in person.

What document or reference specifically lists the details of this? I see what is in Sam's picture but I'm still failing to see any kind of documentation that says the doors must be modified like that, or at all for that matter.

I fail at life

[m tr4nch]

What document or reference specifically lists the details of this? I see what is in Sam's picture but I'm still failing to see any kind of documentation that says the doors must be modified like that, or at all for that matter.

I fail at life

maybe it isn't necessary but motorex put them there anyway to cover their asses? idk, just thinking out loud

but then again why would they waste time and money doing that if it wasn't required? i dunno.. lol..

[Count Zero]

This is from the big conversion paperwork JK Tech and Motorex had that got them the conversion approval, that just got released by the NHTSA a month or so ago (NHTSA-1999-5507-0015)

Quote »FMVSS 214 - Side Impact DynamicA new brace was added, tying the "B" pillar door lock assembly area to the rear tire well area.See 214 A and B.[/quote]I know it's not really a reference to a regulatory rule, but it's part of the list of required modifications that they HAD to do to get the conversion approval.

[Vandrel]

This is from the big conversion paperwork JK Tech and Motorex had that got them the conversion approval, that just got released by the NHTSA a month or so ago (NHTSA-1999-5507-0015)

I know it's not really a reference to a regulatory rule, but it's part of the list of required modifications that they HAD to do to get the conversion approval.

That is exacally the reference I posted. If you look at this..... "per NHTSA-1999-5507-0015 pages 16 and 17 Addendum A figures 214-A and 214-B show where a reinforcement bar must be added and the dimentions of the bar."

That figure (214-A and 214-B) CLEARLY display the afore mentioned reinforcement bar being added into the rear quarter panel, NOT the door.

That reinforcement bar ties the behind the door lock area under the rear quarter panel to a area near the wheel well under the quarter panel. Hence meaning as per this document, quarter panels must be removed during the conformance modifications process.

There is NOTHING in Addendum A that states modifications were needed for the doors, it clearly states that front impact was passed, side impacted required a modification to pass which is detailed and noted in figures 214-A and 214-B.

If there is anything at all that refers to a required modification to bring a 96-98 R33 into conformance, it is not in Addendum A which subsequently means it is not required. Addendum A is what was NHTSA granted Motorex privacy on so that no other RI/ICI could do conformance modifications to these vehicles. The privacy period expired and Addendum A was released to the general public which in turn means any RI/ICI can obtain Addendum A and do conformance modifications for 96-98 R33's.

Now the OBDII info is another subject, once that is tackled then it's all down hill.

[Marenta]

What I don't get, is why hasn't somebody just tried to engineer something to meet the OBDII spec? I'm sure there are tons of brilliant engineers out there that drive Nissans who would love to further the shift_

[Count Zero]

Opps, you're right...that's not the door. My bad.

I checked my car, and there's no door mods that I can tell. Course, there's a bunch of things that are supposed to be done that aren't, so that's not really saying much....but you'd think a bar either welded in or bolted in would still be there, or at least I'd be able to tell where it was bolted in.*shrug*

[Vandrel]

Opps, you're right...that's not the door. My bad.

I checked my car, and there's no door mods that I can tell. Course, there's a bunch of things that are supposed to be done that aren't, so that's not really saying much....but you'd think a bar either welded in or bolted in would still be there, or at least I'd be able to tell where it was bolted in.*shrug*

Interesting, popular word is that a large majority of Motorex cars didn't have proper modifications done and the person they had signing off on the cars "brought into compliance" were just pen-wipped. There's a lot of things I've noticed on the Motorex cars I've seen that I wondered about, speedometers not modified to miles per hour, VIN numbers, etc.

I of course was never involved with the Motorex system but from what I've gathered the regulations state that vehicles must be assigned a 17 digit U.S. VIN, speedometeres must be modified to display miles per hour, etc. Just a few things I've noticed. I read a good portion of what NHTSA published about the who what when where and why of Motorex and I know there was some mention of improper compliance processes or something. Meh

Doesn't really matter much since they were all grandfathered

[Marenta]

Well, no. It clearly states in 49 CFR 567.7 that once a vehicle is manufactured and assigned a VIN, you MUST use the original VIN. *IF* if was certified with 567.4 and 567.5 then this applies, and you must use a sticker and affix it to the chassis to indicate what you have modified and how it changed. Otherwise, if it did NOT meet that certification of 567.4/567.5 prior to it, then... well, I really don't know. It doesn't really specify what you do. But, if that's the case, then what Kaizo is doing is completely legal, and we should all go out and buy a Kaizo unibody RTFN.

[Count Zero]

Interesting, popular word is that a large majority of Motorex cars didn't have proper modifications done and the person they had signing off on the cars "brought into compliance" were just pen-wipped. There's a lot of things I've noticed on the Motorex cars I've seen that I wondered about, speedometers not modified to miles per hour, VIN numbers, etc.

I of course was never involved with the Motorex system but from what I've gathered the regulations state that vehicles must be assigned a 17 digit U.S. VIN, speedometeres must be modified to display miles per hour, etc. Just a few things I've noticed. I read a good portion of what NHTSA published about the who what when where and why of Motorex and I know there was some mention of improper compliance processes or something. Meh

Doesn't really matter much since they were all grandfathered

Quite literally, there's only two things done to mine that I can actually find:

Adjusted the speed sensors so that speedo read in MPH insted of KPH,and the etching on the side mirrors that say "OBJECTS IN MIRROR MAY BE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR"

It *might* have had the cat-converter work done, but the previous owner put in a catless system, so I've no idea if Motorex did it or just left the "JDM Cats" in.But the glass headlights, rear fender reflectors, door-beams, front windshield (Mine still has the Shaken sticker on it), bumers.....looked over the whole car, and almost nothing was actually done.

But yes, supposedly that was part of the Fraud that Hiro was doing: getting cars signed off on without actually having the conversion really done to them.

[Vandrel]

Quite literally, there's only two things done to mine that I can actually find:

Adjusted the speed sensors so that speedo read in MPH insted of KPH,and the etching on the side mirrors that say "OBJECTS IN MIRROR MAY BE CLOSER THAN THEY APPEAR"

It *might* have had the cat-converter work done, but the previous owner put in a catless system, so I've no idea if Motorex did it or just left the "JDM Cats" in.But the glass headlights, rear fender reflectors, door-beams, front windshield (Mine still has the Shaken sticker on it), bumers.....looked over the whole car, and almost nothing was actually done.

But yes, supposedly that was part of the Fraud that Hiro was doing: getting cars signed off on without actually having the conversion really done to them.

Ok I'm tracking now Sounds like you got no issues there, most of the other stuff is hidden either behind the dash or else where and would require you to pull stuff apart to locate.

Also, your glass doesn't need to be replaced. The OEM glass that is on the vehicles is sufficient, FMVSS 205 - Glazing MaterialsThere were no modifications necessary to bring this vehicle into compliance withthis FMVSS. The glass and glazing materials used on this vehicle are identicalto those used on the U.S. model.

When they refer to the U.S. model they compared the BCNR33 to a 300z Turbo. So when you see Skylines rolling around with the JCI stickers still on the windshields that are located center top around the rear view mirror, they are good to go.

For those who don't know what JCI is, it's Japanese Compulsory Insurance. You go to a little papa-son shop that is authorized to do JCI inspections, they do the inspection on your car and give you this http://www.occidental.co.jp/im...i.jpg then you pay around 50000 yen for everything and he'll put a nifty little sticker like this http://www.gaijinbikers.com/wp...3.JPG on your windshield to show the JP's you are good to go. If your JCI ever expires you cannot drive the car on the road and often have to pay a fee when getting the JCI redone.

The stickers you often see on Motorex cars will be the larger ones, the red and green ones. The red ones were used during 2003-2004 and the green ones were in effect 2004-2005. After 2005 they started issueing the sleek small ones which had a full MONTH DAY YEAR listed on it for when it expired. The red and green larger ones just featured big numbers which represented which month the JCI was conducted on which also ment which month the JCI expired on. JCI's were good for 2 year periods only.

Anyway just little tid bit info

Modified by Vandrel at 7:37 PM 7/27/2008
Modified by Vandrel at 7:43 PM 7/27/2008

[edthemanjp]

Thanks for informing us about this. What color was your RX7 on Oki? Did you ever go to Mitzugama or Nago dry hops?

[Vandrel]

Thanks for informing us about this. What color was your RX7 on Oki? Did you ever go to Mitzugama or Nago dry hops?

Didn't ever make it out to the Nago events, was always being deployed somewhere or crap.

[Cjmartz2k]

Mizugama, not Mitzugama, and Nago is a joke. It's a 150m (1/8 mile is 200m) "track" in a parking lot, with like 70m of run out or so. It's dominated by AWD cars, and I've seen more than one go off roading in the bushes off the end of the track.