Genesis Beats out G37 in 1st comparo test??...Autoblog

[Kanard]

While we're working on our own shoot-out between the Hyundai Genesis Coupe and a yet-to-be-named contender, the crew at Inside Line put Hyundai's new rear-wheel-drive two-door against one of its strongest opponents: the Infiniti G37.

IL's 3.8-liter V6 Genesis Coupe tester came equipped with the Track pack, which includes a stiffer suspension, limited-slip differential, Brembo brakes and 19-inch wheels, along with the standard six-speed manual. The sticker? $30,375, or $6,625 less than a base model Infiniti G37. For the extra scratch, the Infiniti is a more luxurious package and carries a bit of badge snobbery, but performance and driver engagement are the metrics we're interested in and the Hyundai proved to be a serious contender.

The G is packing more power from less displacement (330 vs. 306 hp), a bit more torque (270 vs. 266 lb-ft) and revs higher (7,600 vs. 6,800 rpm). But it's also packing the pounds. The Infiniti tips the scales at 3,709 pounds, while the Genesis Coupe comes in just under 3,500 pounds.

IL performed its usual battery of tests, along with a dyno run, and deemed the G37 a better vehicle on the road from both a driving and livability standpoint, but gave props to the Genesis for its competence on the track and predictable handling characteristics. Both cars were remarkably close in the performance department, with the Hyundai taking the win on the skid-pad, while falling short on the sprint to 60, quarter-mile time and slalom run.

IL's conclusion: For two-thirds the cost of the Infiniti G37, the Genesis Coupe 3.8 gives you more bang for the buck and deserves a place on any enthusiast's short-list. Look out for our own review – including the 2.0T model – soon, but in the meantime, read IL's full comparo->http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...826#5 Original link... http://www.autoblog.com/2009/0...pari/

[Jacko3]

While we're working on our own shoot-out between the Hyundai Genesis Coupe and a yet-to-be-named contender, the crew at Inside Line put Hyundai's new rear-wheel-drive two-door against one of its strongest opponents: the Infiniti G37.

IL's 3.8-liter V6 Genesis Coupe tester came equipped with the Track pack, which includes a stiffer suspension, limited-slip differential, Brembo brakes and 19-inch wheels, along with the standard six-speed manual. The sticker? $30,375, or $6,625 less than a base model Infiniti G37. For the extra scratch, the Infiniti is a more luxurious package and carries a bit of badge snobbery, but performance and driver engagement are the metrics we're interested in and the Hyundai proved to be a serious contender.

The G is packing more power from less displacement (330 vs. 306 hp), a bit more torque (270 vs. 266 lb-ft) and revs higher (7,600 vs. 6,800 rpm). But it's also packing the pounds. The Infiniti tips the scales at 3,709 pounds, while the Genesis Coupe comes in just under 3,500 pounds.

IL performed its usual battery of tests, along with a dyno run, and deemed the G37 a better vehicle on the road from both a driving and livability standpoint, but gave props to the Genesis for its competence on the track and predictable handling characteristics. Both cars were remarkably close in the performance department, with the Hyundai taking the win on the skid-pad, while falling short on the sprint to 60, quarter-mile time and slalom run.

IL's conclusion: For two-thirds the cost of the Infiniti G37, the Genesis Coupe 3.8 gives you more bang for the buck and deserves a place on any enthusiast's short-list. Look out for our own review – including the 2.0T model – soon, but in the meantime, read IL's full comparo->http://www.edmunds.com/insidel...826#5 Original link... http://www.autoblog.com/2009/0...pari/

I don't understand this: why are you posting this information when there is a closely related information to that end already posted? See link below

http://forums.g35club.org/zerothread/406689

I am confused. Hyundai has done poorly on reliability issues which are clearly posted in a comment in the thread posted. So, I am scrtaching my head wondering, what's the point?

Okay, Hyundai Genesis Coupe lovers, we accept that the Genesis Coupe is a better car than the G-37 (sarcasm). But do us a favor, please tell Hyundai to make sure its cars are as reliable as the G-37, will ya? Seems like Hyundai cars have issues with the Hyundai Azera. Only God knows what might happen with the Genesis Coupe. let me know what Hyundai says about the reliability of their cars. I am all ears!!!!!!!!!!!

[Epik151]

I don't understand this: why are you posting this information when there is a closely related information to that end already posted? See link below

http://forums.g35club.org/zerothread/406689

I am confused. Hyundai has done poorly on reliability issues which are clearly posted in a comment in the thread posted. So, I am scrtaching my head wondering, what's the point?

Okay, Hyundai Genesis Coupe lovers, we accept that the Genesis Coupe is a better car than the G-37 (sarcasm). But do us a favor, please tell Hyundai to make sure its cars are as reliable as the G-37, will ya? Seems like Hyundai cars have issues with the Hyundai Azera. Only God knows what might happen with the Genesis Coupe. let me know what Hyundai says about the reliability of their cars. I am all ears!!!!!!!!!!!

Well, Hyundai does offer the best warranty in the business. And an automaker wouldn't be in business very long if they did that and had to fix every other car they sold.

Infinitis have pretty good dependability, so I suppose this says something about Hyundai.

[Jacko3]

Well, Hyundai does offer the best warranty in the business. And an automaker wouldn't be in business very long if they did that and had to fix every other car they sold.

Infinitis have pretty good dependability, so I suppose this says something about Hyundai.

I have a hard time understanding your logic. A dependability study is exactly that, a study. This means, all models maybe grouped into the same pot for a single but not specific study. Thus, the sub title of the study, "Name Plate" ranking. This study has no bearing on actual data when you want to compare one model against its equivalent competition. I provided data on actual model reliability. So, your data does little to support specific reliability issues. In fact, the data you supplied, could be affected by one well built model in the auto-line up of the manufacturers. That specific model may be smoothing out the data for that auto manufacturer in such a way that it obfuscates actual data for each specific model in the auto manufacturers stable. Again, JD Power and Associates NamePlate ranking, does not provide specific evidence of which model is reliable and which model is unreliable. Go back to the link I supplied and you can be more specific about which model and its competition, are reliable. I work with data all the time and i do actual research and so I know how numbers behave and what specific studies are supposed to represent. That study, does little to extinguish the terrible record of a Hyndai Azera----one of Hyundai's top cars, but also does little to suggest that the Genesis will be equally bad.

[Epik151]

What data are you talking about, Jacko?

You criticized Hyundai on reliability in your post and asked to see what "Hyundai says about their reliability".

Well, according to all sources, Hyundai is improving rapidly and is already ahead of Nissan/Infiniti and passing up Honda/Toyota.

CR is slow to reflect changes but if you go take a look at TrueDelta you can see more recent reliability stats for yourself.

Hyundai didn't start the 10 year warranty expecting to fix all their cars repeatedly.

The Sonata, Elantra, Santa Fe, are consistent top picks for reliability.

Where do you get the info that Hyundai has clearly demonstrated poor reliability issues?

[Jacko3]

What data are you talking about, Jacko?

You criticized Hyundai on reliability in your post and asked to see what "Hyundai says about their reliability".

Well, according to all sources, Hyundai is improving rapidly and is already ahead of Nissan/Infiniti and passing up Honda/Toyota.

CR is slow to reflect changes but if you go take a look at TrueDelta you can see more recent reliability stats for yourself.

Hyundai didn't start the 10 year warranty expecting to fix all their cars repeatedly.

The Sonata, Elantra, Santa Fe, are consistent top picks for reliability.

Where do you get the info that Hyundai has clearly demonstrated poor reliability issues?

How do you think JD Power and Associates arrived at their conclusion---by praying to God or by gathering all available data for an auto manufacturer for all their models?

I didn't criticize Hyndai for their reliability. I only posted raw data so that people maybe informed before making a buying decision. And then, I chastised the reviwers of these cars because it appears they are making significant decisions based on a narrow set of variables, which in the real world, are less costly to achieve, than if one factored in all the conditions and variables that affect the total car ownership experience. Yes, there is a such a thing as the Total Car Ownership Experience, which is a far more expensive a variable, and I am highly doubtful Hyundai can successfully rank high enough in such a study without raising the cost of their cars (though conjecture on my part). It is this variable or its equivalent, that partly forces auto compoanies like BMW and Lexus to raise prices of their products when compared to other competitive brands. In short, quality costs money.

You said, "Well, according to all sources, Hyundai is improving rapidly and is already ahead of Nissan/Infiniti and passing up Honda/Toyota." This is spurious. You may want to support this on a model by model basis. I have done my part to provide you with the web link where specific models can be compared.

And yes, CR is absolutely correct to be slow in accumulating data. We call that a longtitudinal data. It is data that reflects all the possible issues and conditions under permanent conditions and not temporary or spurious conditions. If TrueDelta's data is as current as you suggest, then i would be concerned about using their data becasue it will likely contain information of a spurious and temporary kind, which does not in anyway reflect well and accurately on the reliability of any specific car model.

And as for Hyundai's 10 year car warranty, grapevine has suggested that Hyundai isn't very friendly or willing to give those warranties, when it has to. Again, this is word from grapevine. This isn't the case with an Infiniti. And in fact, Hyundai may have aniticipated fixing their cars repeatedly, if they factored in the cheap cost of manufacturing their auto components since they can't technically raise prices because of their status in the auto world, and so, a 2 for 1 deal maybe their strategy in terms of parts, and what they call a 10 - year warranty. Again, i am just thinking out loud.

The Hyundai santa fe is the only Hyundai model I have seen with great marks. In fact, this single model may be distorting the data on Hyundai reliability, as a reliable name plate brand. This is a significant probability as far as data is concerned.

I never said, Hyundai has demonstrated poor reliability issues. You are the one saying that.

[Epik151]

Oh forget it, Jacko.

Reading your posts really just give me a headache. It's obvious you've got some sort of bias towards this brand.

And you say things like you didn't knock Hyundai's reliability even though it's still in your previous post.

And you talk about how the Santa Fe might be distorting reliability data for Hyundai even though you yourself only provided ONE CAR, the Azera, to which you lead us to believe it's doing badly.

Which, by the way, I still don't see how the Azera is so horrible from the links you provide. The G37 rated 67/100, the BMW 67/100, and Azera 66/100.

[Jacko3]

Oh forget it, Jacko.

Reading your posts really just give me a headache. It's obvious you've got some sort of bias towards this brand.

And you say things like you didn't knock Hyundai's reliability even though it's still in your previous post.

And you talk about how the Santa Fe might be distorting reliability data for Hyundai even though you yourself only provided ONE CAR, the Azera, to which you lead us to believe it's doing badly.

Which, by the way, I still don't see how the Azera is so horrible from the links you provide. The G37 rated 67/100, the BMW 67/100, and Azera 66/100.

The difference between 67 and 66 could be significant. In fact, achieving that additional point, could cost Hyundai a lot of money in the long-run, thus dampening the cost edge they think they have. And, under such a condition, why buy Hyundai to begin with, when I could have a tried and true car in an infiniti or a BMW?

I have no bias towards Hyundai. I just pointed out facts.

The Azera is the only high end Hyundai car to compare with. Were you intending for me to create a car out of thin air? In a few years, the Genesis's data will also be available for perusing. I never led anyone to beleive the Azera was doing badly. I only wanted to inform others that there maybe reason to be cautious with a Hyundai, especially at the top end models, given the record of the Azera.

Show me where I directly knocked Hyundai?

[tollboothwilley]

For the record, I don't think that because Hyundai had the "longest" warranty that is is the best...especially when they are the ones who tell you its the "best".

I had a girlfriend with a Hyundai, POS fell apart all the time. Supposedly it was under warranty. They didnt cover the labor, just the costs of the replacement parts. And then they told her if there were to fix it properly they needed to use some part that wasn't spec'd in the OEM.

I lived in Korea for a couple years. I've seen firsthand the problems with their vehicles and how they ship them out of the country when they get close to 100,000 K.

Needless to say, I am highly skeptic of their quality. Doesn't mean they aren't improving...

[BrandAidDesignG35]

I think it's a good start for hyundai to break into the sports market.

I agree that hyundia's record of reliability is a bit sketchy, IMHO, the Genesis has big potential, but the G37 powerplant is enough to pull the heavier vehicle faster.

Nissan/Datsun/Infiniti are solid, JD Power rated the VQ as the best motor for 10+ years I believe.

I've never seen any Hyundai with that reputation to date, but like John said, that does not mean they aren't getting better. I think the Genesis belongs in competition with the G37, but I don't see how it can be a winner when it lacks in nearly every category. I also found it interesting how their Manufacturer's MPG ratings are the same, the G37 is heavier, yet it has a smaller engine, and is faster, funniest of all...

The G35 achieved 23mpg during their testing, and the Hyundai achieved 22.7 That's a testement to the advancements that Infiniti has made in the industry. Every panel is nicer, every feature is better.

It may have more refinement, style, etc... but the G is faster to 60... I think that's why there's a huge price difference. I wouldn't ever buy a Hyundai. Posting on Nico will give you biased posts anyway

[joe603]

Just because they offer a long warranty doesn't mean it's worth it. I have family that owns Hyundais and to keep the warranty, you have to:

A) let a dealership do all scheduled maintenance (to include oil changes).

B) keep a record of service.

If you don't do one or the other the warranty is not honored.

Now it seems that keeping a record of service seems easy enough...but think of if your engine blows at 70k miles....do you have an oil receipt from day one?

Infinity has a 4 year / 60k basic warranty and a 6-year / 70k powertrain warranty which is more than fine if you ask me. I don't plan on keeping my car for much longer than that.

[ACoupe]

Seriously Epik151, why in the hell are you here?

Is it just to stir the pot?

To make yourself feel better about not owning a G, or rather wanting a Genesis?

Because you really are not providing ANYTHING of use here.Seriously.

Your attempts to come off as clever are simply poorly disguised troll sessions.Go buy a Genesis, go wash your CTS-V or whatever the hell it is you drive, but go do something instead of climbing the ladder of douchebaggery until you reach the top. We all own G's here, so whatever it is you are trying to do won't change that fact.