Game on - Missiles go to Poland.

[rn79870]

We recently had a thread looking at Russia's position that using nuke weapons would be a legal option for a country that hosted defensive missiles for use against Russia.

A logical person might think twice about biting the sleeping bear in the butt. However, that isn't a concern for our current administration. Is this heading us into another cold war?

US and Poland sign missile deal Kaczynski said the signing was an important day in Poland's history [File: AFP] Washington and Warsaw have signed a deal to deploy US interceptor missiles in Poland, despite Russian opposition to the move.

Condoleezza Rice, the US secretary of state, and Radoslaw, her Polish counterpart, signed the accord at a ceremony in the capital, on Wednesday.

The signing comes six days after the two countries agreed to a deal that will allow 10 of the missiles to be placed just 180km from Russia's westernmost frontier.

"The negotiations were very tough but friendly," Donald Tusk, Poland's prime minister, said.

"We have achieved our main goals, which means that our country and the United States will be more secure."

'New threats'

Rice told reporters: "This is an agreement that will establish a missile defence site here in Poland that will help us to deal with the new threats of the 21st century, of long range missiles ... from countries like Iran or North Korea." Russia sees the placing of the missiles in parts of central Europe as a threat to its security.

It says Washington and Warsaw rushed into finalising the deal as a response to its military action in Georgia.

Some Russian politicians and generals have said Poland must be prepared for a preventive attack on the site in the future.

Nato on Tuesday denounced threats against alliance member Poland as "unacceptable". It endorsed the missile plan for Europe at its summit in Bucharest in April even though some allies are sceptical about its effectiveness and concerned it could lead to a new arms race. The deal must now be approved by the Polish parliament, which is seen as a formality. Tusk's government demanded greater military co-operation with the US for agreeing to host the site.

Maybe it's a good thing we're retiring the cowboy in January. He just seems to be in the middle of every squabble, regardless of the countries squabbling. (Couldn't we reserve sending the missiles to Poland until and unless there were hostilities?)

Let's assume Russia made good on it's threat and used a nuclear missile, what then WWIII? Is it worth a risk?

[OriginalWheelman]

Or maybe it's a good thing we have a cowboy in office who won't bow to every empty threat a foreign power makes. A show of strength can go farther than actual strength sometimes.

[themadscientist]

Poland has a right to determine its own path and if they decide this is what they want to do then Russia can bite a d!ck. We need this kid to go to Russia and explain our position.

[rn79870]

It's a good move on the republicans part. Why not stir the pot so McWar looks like the old soldier with service to give instead of fading away like he should. Besides, why does Poland need our missiles again?

[OriginalWheelman]

Deterrent. Peace through strength. No one wants to get in a fist fight with the Rock. Rip Taylor however...

[Soravia]

So that it can stop being a ***** to Russia.

You liberals keep saying MISSILE! MISSILE! MISSILE!

That's Missile Interceptor System. It could be ANYTHING. Right now it's just the old Patriot system that shot down Saddam's Scuds in first Gulf war.http://news.yahoo.com/nphotos/...ROrgF

The system has its better parts in radar bases and satellite system. Which could also alert a lot more than nuke missiles in the sky. Russians will have a hard time invading the Eastern EU with defense system like that.

[Cold_Zero]

Seeing is that the bulk of the anti Ballistic Defence of this country is centered around using Missiles to shoot down Ballistic Missiles, I think it is forgivable for people to use the term missile. Seeing is that the RIM-161 is a Standard Missile 3, the MIM-104F and THAAD are all Surface to Air Missiles.bud

[AZhitman]

You're wasting your time.

The left wil see only what they want to see, ignoring the fact that this has already gone through multiple levels of scrutiny, and smarter people than us have deemed it appropriate.

Second-guess all you want, but the logic is there. I don't trust the former Soviets any more than I trust KJI.

[Cold_Zero]

Russians will have a hard time invading the Eastern EU with defense system like that.

With or without this Missile Defence Shield, we already know if the Russian Federation forces are on the move. Trust me with the ELINT, HUMINT and GEOINT that we, I dont think the Russians can take a dump with out someone in Langley, Bethesda or Ft Meade being tipped off to it.bud

[srellim234]

You're wasting your time.

The left wil see only what they want to see, ignoring the fact that this has already gone through multiple levels of scrutiny, and smarter people than us have deemed it appropriate.

Second-guess all you want, but the logic is there. I don't trust the former Soviets any more than I trust KJI.

Would those smarter people include those who concluded that tractor trailer rigs making hydrogen for balloons were mobile WMD labs?

[AZhitman]

They might, especially given that the rigs were being moved in close coincidence to the satellite flyovers.

But here - You review the evidence available at the tmie, and let's see what YOU would have concluded:

http://www.globalsecurity.org/...3.htm

[audtatious]

I would have thought Bob would support this as Poland wants the system that we have and the last thing we want is Poland to be mad at us too....

[rn79870]

Bob sees it as needless provocation of Russia. More of the GW/McWar mentality. Like someone building a McDonald's in your front yard just becasue they know you won't like it.

[Soravia]

Don't blame Bush for the Iraq war. Saddam himself wanted to play N. Korea to get some slack. But the thing is, He didn't have real weapons to defend himself.

Acting AS IF he had real WMDs, Saddam had it coming.He could have said, I don't have them anymore, remove some of the sanctions and I'll let the inspectors in. US still can't invade Iraq no matter how many people he kills.

As for Russia, the whole thing is in plain sight when Putin came to power and never stepped down.

[audtatious]

Bob sees it as needless provocation of Russia. More of the GW/McWar mentality. Like someone building a McDonald's in your front yard just becasue they know you won't like it.

If we don't sell it to them they may dislike us. That seems to be one of your main concerns with the world.