Ga16DE Help with Power
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B13xe94nis
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Ga16DE Help with Power
currently i have a 1994 sentra (B13) wit the GA16 and was thinking about swapping to a sr20 but im not sure i wanna make this GA as powerful as i can get it its all stock but i have a cone filte on it wat could i do to make it more powerful will any other MAF work wit ir to make the tubing bigger for ait flow? im bout to get a set of headers i found. but any help would be great ive had the car for a while now and everything on its fine i just wanna run the 1.6 so keep up or faster then sr's even tho its gonna be hard. but i wanna go all motor before i turbo it any one wit any places to get parts or any one thats done stuff to their GA let me kno. please i wanna get this powerful as much as i can any answers would be great thanks in advanced and im sure i repeted myself a cdouple times lol but the sr is the best i already kno
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nametakennow
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If you're going to swap an SR eventually anyway, there's no point in modding the GA.
That said, the GA doesn't have a lot of options. Intake, exhaust, header, and cams are pretty much the extent of the mods out there short of custom turbo setups.
There's no point in swapping the MAF out since you're not maxing its ability to read the air coming through anyway. MAF piping has no effect on AIT flow, and the AIT doesn't care how much flow is going by, only temperature.
That said, the GA doesn't have a lot of options. Intake, exhaust, header, and cams are pretty much the extent of the mods out there short of custom turbo setups.
There's no point in swapping the MAF out since you're not maxing its ability to read the air coming through anyway. MAF piping has no effect on AIT flow, and the AIT doesn't care how much flow is going by, only temperature.
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B13xe94nis
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Re: (nametakennow)
nametakennow wrote:If you're going to swap an SR eventually anyway, there's no point in modding the GA.
That said, the GA doesn't have a lot of options. Intake, exhaust, header, and cams are pretty much the extent of the mods out there short of custom turbo setups.
There's no point in swapping the MAF out since you're not maxing its ability to read the air coming through anyway. MAF piping has no effect on AIT flow, and the AIT doesn't care how much flow is going by, only temperature.
but wont the MAF send through the computer its getting to much air and adjust the air fuel mixture propery i kno it does or has to i just aint tryin to go through all the work wit the sr or pay someone to do it. theres gotta be more upgrades yea i kno its hard to find but i guesss going straight turbo will be the most power ima get even tho i dont really wanna run one right now
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nametakennow
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MAF sensors (as well as AIT and every other automotive sensor I can think of) are basically a variable-resistance resistor in an electrical circuit with the ECU. A MAF sensor's resistance varies depending on the amount of air going by. Even if you enlarge the chamber the MAF is in, the engine will still be pulling the same volume of air. The same goes for the sensor. Just because it's capable of reading more air than the stock one doesn't mean it will since, again, the engine will be pulling the same volume of air.
Furthermore, if you did "trick" the ECU into thinking there is more air coming in than there is, it would simply add more fuel. More fuel does not mean more power. In fact, because engines are tuned to be slightly rich to begin with to make sure that detonation can't happen and the engine will last long-term, further biasing the air/fuel ratio towards fuel is counterproductive. An overly rich mixture reduces power and fuel economy.
If you replace the rest of the intake system with higher-flowing pipe, you will increase mid and upper range horsepower somewhat because the engine will be able to pull a little more air at wide open throttle. Even then, however, the MAF will not be anywhere near maxed out, so there is no point in replacing it.
And yes, there are a few other engine mods out there for the GA. Unorthodox makes pulleys for it. You could even fabricate a throttle body and/or intake manifold spacer. You could also port and polish the intake manifold and exhaust ports. Heck, if you looked around you might even be able to find some pistons and rods that would fit for a higher or lower compression ratio (depending on whether you went with a turbo or not).
That said, once you get to the point of changing internals, even cams, it's cheaper and easier to do an SR swap. I suppose that logic would mean that it's always cheaper and easier to swap in a bigger engine or get a whole new car, but obviously there's a point where that logic simply becomes outrageous.
Tangent aside, your best bet is to keep it simple with the GA and save your chips for an SR, or accept that this car is going to be a slow and economical daily driver and save for a more performance-oriented car later on. If you really don't want to deal with a swap, then you can make the GA respectably powerful with a turbocharger, but that will be just as expensive as a swap and, in some ways, more of a headache if you don't know much about the parts involved.
Furthermore, if you did "trick" the ECU into thinking there is more air coming in than there is, it would simply add more fuel. More fuel does not mean more power. In fact, because engines are tuned to be slightly rich to begin with to make sure that detonation can't happen and the engine will last long-term, further biasing the air/fuel ratio towards fuel is counterproductive. An overly rich mixture reduces power and fuel economy.
If you replace the rest of the intake system with higher-flowing pipe, you will increase mid and upper range horsepower somewhat because the engine will be able to pull a little more air at wide open throttle. Even then, however, the MAF will not be anywhere near maxed out, so there is no point in replacing it.
And yes, there are a few other engine mods out there for the GA. Unorthodox makes pulleys for it. You could even fabricate a throttle body and/or intake manifold spacer. You could also port and polish the intake manifold and exhaust ports. Heck, if you looked around you might even be able to find some pistons and rods that would fit for a higher or lower compression ratio (depending on whether you went with a turbo or not).
That said, once you get to the point of changing internals, even cams, it's cheaper and easier to do an SR swap. I suppose that logic would mean that it's always cheaper and easier to swap in a bigger engine or get a whole new car, but obviously there's a point where that logic simply becomes outrageous.
Tangent aside, your best bet is to keep it simple with the GA and save your chips for an SR, or accept that this car is going to be a slow and economical daily driver and save for a more performance-oriented car later on. If you really don't want to deal with a swap, then you can make the GA respectably powerful with a turbocharger, but that will be just as expensive as a swap and, in some ways, more of a headache if you don't know much about the parts involved.
Re: (nametakennow)
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