G35 Coupe the next 240SX?

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

have I been smoking the weed? no:D

This is what I am thinking:

Compare G35 Coupe to 240SX:

RWD 2 door cars with good handling, torqey motors and manual transmission's available.

In 6-8 years G35 2k3 Coupes will cost as much, as a many S14's do now.

Any thoughts?

Fred...

Post by **Onizuka** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

Yeah the G35 coupe along with the 350Z both are on the price level of the s14 240sx. These cars will be popular for a really long time I think

Post by **NISTECH** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

It blows me away with the intrest in 240's now why nissan doesn't come out with a 250sx

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

A Coupe Version of the Sentra would come close except its FWD.But the Sentra handles real well for a FWD, good auto corsser.

Fred...

Post by **MasterMan** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

yeah a 2.5L turbo motor in a S13 style body.. and maby even a S15 type body style.. that would be sweet.. price them around 20k and ppl would buy them like crazy...

Post by **Onizuka** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

Nissan needs something to compete with cars like the Dodge SRT-4, Saturn ION Redline, Subaru WRX and other sub $25K performance cars. My hope is that sports like drifting really hit mainstream in a big way and cause auto manufacturers to really see a need for cheap RWD cars.

Post by **TachyonS14** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

I don't know whats with Nissan. They could make these types of cars to rival Subaru, Dodge, etc. but from some reason they won't, at least here in the U.S. Maybe they have some type of deal with other auto-makers here or something I don't know. Maybe they are getting paid money NOT to build a car to rival the other companies, I don't get it. It seems Nissan doesn't want to take any gambles with cars In America.

Post by **jEzTeR** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

Yes a 2.5L turbo (AWD) Spec V would be a great addetion to the Nissan line up.The Spec V is doing rally racing right now with the FWD.There are turbo kits out now putting the QR25DET + T in some nasty power ranges.Now if they just take it a step further and make it AWD!

As far as a RWD 2.5L turbo.I doubt that it will ever happen.They have the 350z to sell and are not planning on making any competition for it.

Post by **toki** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

I think the best move nissan could make is a body style like an s15, or revamped s13 hatch, both would be new to the states. The s14 body style to me is reflected in many other cars.

As far as engine, I would think a low displacement inline 6, much like an RB series would be ideal, if they really want to take a chance, they can go crazy with a 1.5L twin turbo motor running about 2 bar with a redline above 9k. That would take alot more engineering, and most people would go "huh?" when anyone tried to tell them about it, so it probably wouldn't hit the masses that hard.

Post by **Onizuka** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

jEzTeR wrote:As far as a RWD 2.5L turbo.I doubt that it will ever happen.They have the 350z to sell and are not planning on making any competition for it.

Ah, but arnt the Sentra + 4 cylinder altima and V6 altima + maxima competing with each other? They all sell fine!

In order to make it not compete with the 350Z all you have to do is make it have the following: boosted QR making 210-220 crank HP (well shy of what the 350 puts out), 15 inch alloys, 4 seater, make the base price 17,000-21,000 as the bare bones 5 speed version, slap a 250sx sticker on the back and watch them fly off the showroom floor along side the 350Z. Nissan has been striving to be known as a performance oriented company, why not make a sporty dirt cheap coupe?

I love the AWD turbo sentra idea too, if nissan could find a way to make both of these cars that would rock :ylsuper

Post by **lessthanjakejohn** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

I think the G35s will hold their value better

Post by **jEzTeR** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

It just does not make sense for them to re-activate a totally differant drivetrain.The Turbo Spec V in FWD is so easy to add to their current setup.Making it AWD is possible with some R&D invested.The RWD 2 door 4 seat concept requires too much $ to make it a wise investment.If you look at the total % of Spec V's sold v/s the total # of sentras you will see why it makes sence financially.

I would love to see a RWD 2.5L turbo coupe, but I just don't see it in the future.

Nissan is investing its R&D into V8 trucks and SUV's because that is what is selling.Now they have 4 SUV's in small/med/large/X-large and 2 trucks with several options in power plants.

Website · Post by **elbles** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

The way I look at it is that, not too long ago, Nissan was in poor financial shape, arguably due to cars like the 240SX (specifically the S13) and the 300ZX (Z32). They spent a lot of money on those cars, in terms of R&D, and they just didn't get back on their return. Combine this with Accord and Camry sales compared to Maxima sales, and you can imagine how red their checkbooks must have been . . . :-)

We are all lucky that Nissan is building what they are now. Sales have been good with the 350Z, G35's, Altimas, and Sentras, and Nissan will see no reason to rock the boat (or spend more money), on a car that only the minority that is us would appreciate. Not to say that I wouldn't want to see it, because I'd love to see a "S16", but I just don't see forsee it happening, with the conservative approach Nissan has been taking lately . . .

Post by **SmithSR** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

If the Z can be a hit, or sell decently, or both... why would they offer similar RWD performance for less money?

They wouldn't; they won't.

It's a business first.

Post by **NISTECH** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

jEzTeR wrote:Yes a 2.5L turbo (AWD) Spec V would be a great addetion to the Nissan line up.The Spec V is doing rally racing right now with the FWD.There are turbo kits out now putting the QR25DET + T in some nasty power ranges.Now if they just take it a step further and make it AWD!

As far as a RWD 2.5L turbo.I doubt that it will ever happen.They have the 350z to sell and are not planning on making any competition for it.

The altima has AWD capability since it is built on the same platform as the murano. This was pointed out when I attended the 2002 altima new model training at NNA offices in northern california.

No mention of the sentra having that capability was brought up though.

Post by **jEzTeR** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

NISTECH wrote:The altima has AWD capability since it is built on the same platform as the murano. This was pointed out when I attended the 2002 altima new model training at NNA offices in northern california.

No mention of the sentra having that capability was brought up though.

Nice a New SSR Bluebird with a supercharged VQ35DE would be awesome!

I know that with them putting the Spec V through rally racing, it can't take long to realize that AWD would make it a great competitor.Not to mention compeating with the WRX and EVO in the sales dept.

Post by **hannibal** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

Nissan has made some amazing progress since Renault stepped in. I cant even count how many new cars they have introduced since 2000.I believe the death of the S14 and Z32 was cause in part by exchange rates and change in comsumer demand. When SUVs became the trend, Americans were spending up to $50-60K on the big trucks. But we weren't willing to spend $25-40K on sports cars like the S14 or Z32.With Renualt's help, Nissan consolidated its entire vehicle line-up into just a few platforms (even while adding new models). Just about every Nissan/Infiniti is offered with the VQ35 from the Altima to the FX corssover. I think these are steps in the right direction.Only problem is the 350Z starts around $27K. Not a lot of room to sell a entry level model in the smaller sports cars market. But if they can sell enough sedans and SUVs, we might have a chance of seeing an S16!

Jay

And I can only dream that a 2003 G35 will sell for $10K before 2010!

Post by **UncleBen** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

I can agree with alot of people on all their points. Why would Nissan want to 'rock the boat' as someone put it, when they are selling cars like crazy right now? And yet I do think if the Alty's and Sentra's, Z's, etc are selling so well now, why would making one more performance compact car mess up sales that much? I would love to see a car come out onto the showroom floor w/ the turbo QR. FWD or RWD, AWD, I wouldn't mind much honestly. As long as its a good competitor of the SRT-4, WRX, etc., then it *will* sell.

Post by **NISTECH** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

every single engine that was in nissans line up in 1999 has been discontinued with the exception of 1 the vg33xx. over the last 4 yrs the cars and engines nissan ran for several yrs have changed. They are being built cheaper and selling at an incredable rate there sales have shot through the roof over the last couple years. The cars are being offered at very resonable competitive price and have exccelant performance ratings across the line. This is what will make the g35 replace the 240sx as the "enthusiast" intrest. I am thinking this is what fred meant by his post. That the price will be reasonable enough for just about anyone with a Nissan/Infiniti car intreast to have one. Also its design type is much like the 240sx. It is a fun vehicle to drive. the 350z falls in this same catagory. I have driven both and they dont seem much different to me other then the g is more luxurious the the z. The z is more like a base model to the g.

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Sat Nov 22, 2003 2:51 pm

Scott:Thats exactly what I meant.

Fred..

G35 Coupe the next 240SX?

G35 Coupe the next 240SX?

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