fuzion v/s michelin

[captainluigi]

after all the research i am going with stock set up on tires & wheels. dennis recomends the michelin & i respect his opinion. a couple of friends are runing the fuzion brand. they say they are great in all respects. online reviews talk highly of them. they both have the 94H rating. michelin is $93. fuzion is $43. are any Q owners running or have run the fuzion tires? an old addage keeps playing in my head. ya get what ya pay for.

[Q45tech]

All depends on wet stopping distances [assumming stock sizes] and vibration tolerance. Quality control.

A good test is to find a good wheel, measure the wheels imbalance on FINE [shows 1 grams +-] then mount the inexpensive tire balance to 0/0 sum all weights after subtracting wheel imbalance weights...........then do the same with Michelin.

A Michelin tire without the wheel problems should require no more than 5 grams inside and 5 grams outside.

Inexpensive tires FREQUENTLY require two to 6 times [sometimes 10 times] the weight.

[elwesso]

Thing that sets michelin off is that they stay in spec for a long time, whereas other ones may not...

Ive heard good reviews about the fuzions and i would probably recommend them.... PERSONALLY though you can do much better in price vs performance in other sizes (16/17in)

[Q45tech]

Remember the early Q came with Michelin tires that cost $132 [1990 dollars] to find such a tire today would cost $220 + in 2006 dollars.

Unfortunately NO ONE makes a suitable [coming close to oem tire] performance in 15"

Even the Pilot Exalto A/S is a inferior tire to what came new on the Q, as the wear is double to triple and the tread to void ratio is that of an all season vs a pure Summer tire that came new on the Q.

We are seeing many LS/SC sporting the Exalto now so Lexus must be pushing it as a replacement tire.

Why not try 2 [Exalto] on rear and the cheapo on front [$90 isn't much to throw away as a bad learning experience]. I use to buy experimental tires to try [hoping I would get lucky] [never happened] and then give to poor relatives after 8,000 miles as Xmas presents..........that stopped when they upgraded to a 16" car.

[louiegz]

I had Michelins on my car a few years ago when I was running stock size. It's a nice tire. Only complant was that I found the snow performance to be sub par for an all weather tire. No problem for me because I do snow tires, and no problem for you, Captain, because you live in Florida.

[pito11213]

In the 15 and 16" size I have good experience with my falken ziexs. I have had them on my legend and LS.

I jave 225/60r16 on all 4. Good ride, excellent wet and dry handling.

[Q45tech]

snow performance to be sub par for an all weather tire. NJ comment

ALL weather tires are not useful in any amount of snow............they are useful when the weather turns cold without frozen moisture as their [plasticization point is at or below 25F vs 45F for Summer Tires.

Just like wet [rain] friction decreases cold wet friction is worse.

They make snow tires to use in Snow and Ice Tires to use in Ice something I learned in the 70's living in the Hills of New Jersey. I was on call 24 hours a day and had to get there 4 snow/ice tires starting in October plus Positraction LSD.

I was lucky because my company car [Chevy Impala Wagon] allowed me to throw the snow tires away each spring and buy new ones in September, so I always started out with soft grippy ones instead of previous years hard junk.

Important to look at where question and posters and reply are located as what work in the South may not [won't] work in the snow belt.

All Season is the worse marketing lie ever created as too many think it means snow!

[maxnix]

...they both have the 94H rating. michelin is $93. fuzion is $43.

Minimum OEM specified load rating is 95 for a G50. Greater load ratings will bring you benefit in wear and performance.

Fuzion is a second brand of Bridgestone. That should say enough. All of us who have our critical faculties and have run cheaper brands in the past know better now.

That adage is correct.

[Q45tech]

load Rating are primarily for size corrected for inflation and speed ratings are company specified...........only means that brand new a tire will not explode at 130 mph................doesn't mean anything about a USED OLDER TIRE.

I won't even trust MICHELIN to still be safe at 130 mph on a tire with 20,000 miles of stress from a Q weight. I liimit my used tires to 100 MPH on our interstates around ATL.........even though I get frequently passed. [sic].

If you speed who do you trust is the mantra =========Michelin or Fuzion

[VJ1]

I've been running on Fuzions for the past 10k miles on my 94, and have had no problem except for the added road noise. I had Michelin's Pilot previously, but went for the Fuzion because they were on sale for $34.99 each, and the specs looked pretty good.They handle wet roads, cornering and high speeds (above 110mph) very well, but it's just that damn road noise on the highway. Most of the time I have the a/c on so it does not bother me, but when I'm cruising down to the Florida Keys with the windows and sunroof open, I'm constantly listening to the tires.When I upgrade from my piepans though, I'm going back to Michelins. No road noise and a little softer ride.Good luck,Vandi.

[captainluigi]

well sometimes we must all ask a question we already know the answer to. im going with the michelin and the stock bbs wheels for now. i do intend to retain this Q for 4 to 5 yrs. appx. 7k to 8k miles a yr. the tires will probly suffer from uv & ozone degradation before wearing out. living in the keys often requires some snappy manuvering due to sub-standard road surface & above average number of impaired drivers. also tire induced road noise would just get on my last nerve. thanx again for all the input. my wife says ''thanx to all of you'' and to me she says, ''i told you so''

[Jesda]

Consider Bridgestone Potenzas as a cheaper Michelin-competitive tire. I freaking love mine.

[Jeff Williams]

I had them on Layla. I couldn't get rid of them fast enough. They were 245/45/17. Great for the first few thousand miles, then they got so noisy that I could hardly hear the radio.

Continentals are greatMichelins are greatBridgestones are greatGoodyears are greatSumitomos are great

Nitto's are prety good

Kumhos are borderline

Just stay away from directional treads at all costs, if possible. They feather badly on the inside, and really start to sing after a few thousand miles.

New tension rods, upper links, and an alignment help the tire wear situation. For $300, you can extend your tire life by 200%.

[maxnix]

Just stay away from directional treads at all costs, if possible. They feather badly on the inside, and really start to sing after a few thousand miles.

New tension rods, upper links, and an alignment help the tire wear situation. For $300, you can extend your tire life by 200%.

Absolutely necessary that suspension be as good as OEM new specifications.

I have run directional tires (with flipping) up to 30K miles with no feathering, including the infamous Yokohama AVS dB.

[Jesda]

No directional tire wear or noise issues on my Bridgestones, but the directional Yokohamas I had (YK420) were downright awful. They wandered down the street like a drunk and vibrated more than a Sonicare toothbrush. Didnt take long to go from "not terrible" to "bad" to "intolerable"

[maxnix]

...the directional Yokohamas I had (YK420) were downright awful. They wandered down the street like a drunk and vibrated more than a Sonicare toothbrush. Didnt take long to go from "not terrible" to "bad" to "intolerable"

Discount Tires special Yokohama 420 are a known bad tire for G50. One of few known to have blown at highway speed, along with all the other problems encountered before failure.