fuel= terrorisim?

[Stoneage_Turbo]

got this from someone today and thought id share , what you guys think?

Every time you fill up the car, you can avoid putting more money into the coffers of Saudi Arabia. Just buy from gas companies that don't import their oil from the Saudis. Nothing is more frustrating than the feeling that every time I fill-up the tank, I am sending my money to people who are trying to kill me, my family, and my friends. I thought it might be interesting for you to know which oil companies are the best to buy gas from.

Major companies that import Middle Eastern oil (for the period 9/1/00 - 8/31/01).

Shell.................205,742,000 barrels Chev! ron/Texaco........144,332,000 barrels Exxon /Mobil........130,082,000 barrels Marathon..............117,740,000 barrels Amoco..................62,231,000 barrels

If you do the math at $30/barrel, these imports amount to over $18 BILLION!

Here are some large companies that do not import Middle Eastern oil:

Citgo 0 barrels Sunoco 0 barrels Conoco 0 barrels Sinclair 0 barrels BP/Phillips 0 barrels Hess 0 barrels

All of this information is available from the Department of Energy and can be easily documented. Refineries located in the U. S. ! are required to state where they get their oil and how much they are importing. They report on a monthly basis.

Keep this list in your car; share it with friends. Stop paying for terrorism.............

[ninjak84]

I agree with the post in every way.Petro-Canada fuel is all that goes into my familys cars.

[AZhitman]

Right on Stoney!!

Anyone know where Arco fuel originates?

[jefftrexler]

Too bad all the BP stations here suck some major @$$. They've all been caught watering down their gas. :rolleyes

[Mayhem_J30]

the only no-importing company i got is BP and they're over priced for what it is.

but wait, isn't BP one of the stations that shares fuel with other companies like exxon/mobile?

[I H8 UR DSM]

yep, we send billions of dollars to the middle east for oil....they turn, and use the money to fight wars, and terrorlst strikes against us....which is just more reason to go take over all the 'problem' areas in the mid east, and claim the oil....obviously share with russia and france and the rest of the UN, but its going to have to happen eventually if it would ever be expected to stop....

[skydragoness]

lately, i've been getting my gas either from Citgo, Gulf, or Mobil.

mostly citgo i have, because they are actually cheap in my university's vicinity. which is funny, because they usually like to stick it to us college kids. Sunoco rocks because they actually have 94 octane, which i like to fill up with for the autocross.

if that information is indeed true, then citgo it is then! hell, they're cheaper anyway, and another gas station closer to my house just changed over to Hess.

is Gulf owned by Shell? some other company? what about Getty?

[Spectre]

As soon as these companies offer quality gas, I'll buy from them. These guys share gas on occasion you know. If Conoco is short, they might call up the Shell refinery and buy some gas from them. In the end, you don't know who you're buying from.

[I H8 UR DSM]

howbout if we all use Cam2 106 : )

[Spectre]

howbout if we all use Cam2 106 : )

If I could afford it I would.

[Stoneage_Turbo]

"howbout if we all use Cam2 106 : )"

doesnt that have lead in it ?

im not sure about the other stations , dont have much else of that nature , i will extract part 2 tonight and place it in another thread

[TrunkMonkey]

but wait, isn't BP one of the stations that shares fuel with other companies like exxon/mobile?

BP/Amoco

they merged about a year or two ago.

[Cold_Zero]

I love receiving emails that boil economics down to very simple terms. Suggesting the boycott of certain products or buying only American (Northern Hemisphere) products. I would go freaking nuts trying to keep up with which company owns which interest in this foreign company that has holdings in this venture in a third world country that smuggles illegals into this country to process illegal drugs that ultimately gets sent to Antarctica to be sold the penguins.

Those d*mn penguins, they are so cute and they never saw it coming!

[MasterMan]

not to be an a$$ but.. one of the main reasons we are fighting thos ppl is because of gas.. we are killing alot of ppl over greed.. also alot of thos countrys make alot of their money off of growing opium and producing herion... but anyways damnit.. its not right for us to bomb them and stuff just so we have controle over the oil....

[Spectre]

:Werd

[PalmerWMD]

All those ruling elites in the Gulf have been put in place by the British anyway.The reason we are so close with those "rulers" is because we have been partners in moneywars with the British for a long time.So we have taken the place of the formerly British "protectors".

Many of these families weren't so "royal" too, more like crime familes before they were elevated by the British to be their Stooges.

Another interestign fact is that the only goverment in the Gulf, actively opposing islamic fundamentalists is Iraq.But our "allies" fund them.

One little amusing fact about disinformation in our media:

There was a cute little op-ed piece about "Sadam terror Camp" in a US "TV news" magazine:Full of cute little pics of masked men training presumably taken at that camp (when? by whom?). with scary music playing in the background.Fact is ,the Military camp south of Bagdad is training men to be part of Iraqs anti terror outfits, not islamic fundamentalist terroristsOn the contrary the untis that train at that camp have been known to FIGHT islamic fundamentalist groups.

OK the makes you wonder if Iraq shouldnt be our ally in the Gulf?

Food for thought isnt it?

Of course it isnt all that simple either.

The reality of geopolitics is that for better or worse, for the right reasons or not, some of those familes I critized above, are our only allies left there (do to our own doing, right up to the Gulf war Iraq was trying to become a client state of the US as well)

Those rulers are hanging on by their nails, to keep being allied with us, often against the wishes of their population, which is highly aware of some of our foreign policy hypocrisies.

When the US becomes unfreindly even if its just domesticaly, to those countries, we will make it even harder for those governments to make a foreign policy friendly to us.

Sorry for the book guys, but this is too complicated to cover in a couple of sentences.

Fred...

[Spectre]

Are you afraid to express those views at the jobsite? I'm just curious as the whether you're "encouraged" to hush by superiors. I think you have something good to say.

[PalmerWMD]

Are you afraid to express those views at the jobsite? I'm just curious as the whether you're "encouraged" to hush by superiors. I think you have something good to say.

Well,... Let's just say, they wont be making me the Public Affairs Officer anytime soon...

Fred...:icesangel

[Spectre]

:thumbup Rock on man!

[Cold_Zero]

Right on Fred.To piggy back on some points:

People fail to remember that Saddam was on CIA pay roll (as well as Noriega for that fact). During the Iran and Iraq war in the early 80's, Iraq was very close to overrunning Iran but the US and its allies kept the balance of power with the sale of Arms. Although it was Ronald Reagan that labeled Iran as our enemy, we still needed them to keep the balance of power in the region. The west and the US are culprits in this "greed" that Master man talks about. They are all about containment and keeping the balance of power and not helping the problem. Well it looks like this one is going to bit us in the butt.

The conflicts in the Middle East are not about us vs. them. War makes strange bedfellows! Example, when the PLO were kicked out of Lebanon after they were kicked out of Israel, Yasser Arafat led a coup against the King of Jordan. The PLO had backing from the Syrians and things were looking bad for Jordan. President Nixon picked up the phone and called the Israelis and requested them to fly their jets over the Palestinians (low and slow). When the Palestinians saw the jets they retreated, giving the Jordanian forces enough time to rally and drive them out of their country. Arab fighting against Arab? Muslims fighting against Muslims? Jews helping Muslims? The whole region hates each other and it is my opinion that we should choose sides very carefully. I would like to see the US open relations with Iran, but it doesn’t look like Bush will allow this.

If buying oil from American companies is so “important” why aren’t we writing our congressmen, requested that they open up the reserves in Alaska for oil exploration? Its like the people that call for stricter sentencing on crimes, but don’t want jails built in their back yards.

The selling of opium and other drugs is prominently a western Asian trade. Lets not confuse the Afghans with the Arabs. They make take Bin Laden’s money, but they are not Arabs. They are closer to Central Asia and Iran in their ethnicity.

I think I have beaten this dead horse enough. My point is simple, lets not over generalize like we tend to do and jump on these email bandwagons that call for action. Think, research and make your own decisions.

[Stoneage_Turbo]

"If buying oil from American companies is so “important” why aren’t we writing our congressmen, requested that they open up the reserves in Alaska for oil exploration? Its like the people that call for stricter sentencing on crimes, but don’t want jails built in their back yards."

this is big here in alaska , looks like there saveing oil here for later when we suck the mid easy dry pumping there crap in our ford excursions ...that and the enviromentalisists not letting it happen either , this is a huge untapped resource and id like to see it stay that way but it involves buying oil from over there

i put this thred up to get opions and that is what ive gotten , i dont have enough info to make a stand on either side of anything , hell im afriad to vote as i dont know enough about the canadates , just slander from opposeing sides . information is the key ..

all i know is i dont want to support terrorisim in any way , if i can drive 4 extra miles to stand less chance of putting money in there pockets then ill do it . anymore in not much playing into the "buy american" way of life , in todays global economy i dont see how it affects anything , i could buy a camry and still support jobs here in the US espicly those kids in the lexington kentucky plant , but buying oil from over there i think is a diffrent story

[Stoneage_Turbo]

"Well,... Let's just say, they wont be making me the Public Affairs Officer anytime soon..."

yah in the military they dont like it when we question US policy or leadership , espicly when were on duty .if they knew how i felt it is a misatke to go after iraq when we arent really supported by any nations id probably be written up

in a way we pissed bin laden off by not leaving saudi when we were no longer welcome , we can be anywhere in less than a day , we should have done the *** kickin we needed to and went home , if they started up again then we could come back , but like some peoples moms we stayed way to long after the party was over , it didint warrant what he did , i just dont think he would have done it if we werent there so long...anyone got any thoughts on this?

coarse suadi didnt like us around after we gave them back there land that iraq had , they basicly lost the batte we went in fought them off till the last not so well armed iraqis were there and let the saudis pick up the peices , the sauds felt weak after we got there land back for them , the king wanted us to nuke his own land but we instaed fought to give it back to him and let his army take the last battle , think they felt inadequate....

theres somemore ingornace from the revrend , sorry bout the dual post

[Cold_Zero]

What I find interesting are the anti-drug commercials that make the connection with buying drugs to supporting terrorism. I think it is a connection that could have been made sooner. It may not keep everyone off of drugs, but it makes you think.

[Stoneage_Turbo]

yah i think the antidrung ads are pretty damn cool , but like you said its a little late , probably didnt have a good terrorisiom connection till evevryone lived thru sept 11 , guess there useing that to give the ad extra punch

[APEXi240]

I understand not wanting to support terrorism...but why should we boycott it when the US never does...

In Columbia right now we are supporting viscious terrorists that are going against the Columbian gov't. We also supported Bin Laden in the 80s (I know everyone knows but...). Also Bush Sr, is a consultant to the Carlisle company (I think I have the right name, I'm not positive though, I could go look it up if anyone needs me to.) One of the main businessmen in this group is part of the Bin Laden royal family.

Going to war against Iraq this time is going to be a completely different story. During the Gulf War, we were basically trying to contain Sadam...but this time we are going to kill him. He is going to pull out all the stops and make the Gulf War Syndrome cases look like the common cold. This is going to be a much more viscious battle on his part, since he will have nothing to lose. This is a very bad idea. IMO anyway.

A better solution to the oil problem would be to put restrictions/elimate SUVs...and our general obsession with have the biggest, baddest vehicle on the road. It seems absurd to me that it is more feasible to go to war then to put a lot of restrictions on our vehicles.

[MasterMan]

ahh come on now.. 99.9% of the drugs in the US come from other places other then terroits countrys (sp?).. coke comes from south america and xtc comes from europe and is also made in the US.. same with acid and pot is grown everywhere.. the only thing we might be getting from them is opium and herion.. but if it keep ppl off then i guess its ok.. the way i see it is if someone wants to do drugs they are gonna do it, it just doesnt matter where it comes from.. just my 10 cents.. my 2cents r free

[Cold_Zero]

Cocaine and Crack (variant of Cocaine) are prominently produced in South America and shipped through Central America and Mexico into the US. If you pay attention to the world news you would know that the Drug Cartels have been a party to assassinations and kidnappings. One of the reasons why Columbia and Peru are unsafe places for Americans. Most of the Leftist and Communists guerrillas after the fall of Russia have joined with the Narco Paramilitaries since they have money. When you buy drugs you support insurrections and killings to advance the Cartels. All of this does not take into account that drug dealers and gangs commit kidnappings, rape and killings in order keep themselves in business. Yes, drug Cartels and gangs may not be Islamic terrorists, but these crimes are a form of terrorism as well. Some against Americans, some against others.

[MasterMan]

yeah true.. i see where your comin from... my bad

[Pretty White]

Good thread! I cross posted this across other Nissan boards!

[APEXi240]

I think that is why we should legalize all drugs, and stamp some "MADE IN THE USA" stickers on them, so that way people can kill themselves off WHILE supporting the US government...plus our national deficit would dwindle to nothing in a matter of years....then all the other money we get we can use to destroy drug cartels and their farms, ect. Not only would we be making money, but we'd be eliminating all the competition...It's really the American way.

Oh yeah, and for all you guys from Kentucky....they are the largest domestic growers, of marijuana, in the US, with the largest amount of profits....the biggest business in the US.