ft 86 will nissan make one?

[jsturges18]

toyota is coming out with the ft 86 in the near future as well as subaru designing one similar to that. im sure honda will be making a new s2000ish coupe as well (probably a hybrid unfortunately) but what about nissan? out of all the rear wheel drive sport coupes nissan have made. anyone think that they will remake a nissan silvia?? i think thats what nissan is missing. a rear wheel drive coupe possbly turboed pushing over 200hp for under $25,000?? even hyundai has one!!!! come on nissan!!!

[themadscientist]

Carlos?

[sx moneypit]

I hope Nissan builds something like that.According to what i have read the Subaru BRZ is a sweet driving car.I might take a look at buying one when they come out with it next spring.

[Bubba1]

I hope Nissan builds something like that.According to what i have read the Subaru BRZ is a sweet driving car.I might take a look at buying one when they come out with it next spring.

Hmmm. I don't see it happening in the US market based on the lackluster sales of the 240sx. Unlike the 300zx, which was almost double the price of the 4 cyl sporty coupe market (240sx), the current 370Z is priced more closely to the FT86 sporty coupe market and could shift sales away from nissan's higher margin Z cars.

Instead, I could envision Nissan doing something similar to what Hyundai did with the Genesis Coupe, and offer a less expensive, less powerful 4 cyl version of the Z.

[RicerX]

I don't see Nissan messing with two different drivetrain options for the Z based on how dialed in the weight distribution of the car is, handling, etc. The Z is Nissan's heritage/flagship sports car. (GT-R is in a different league - the Z best represents Nissan's brand image, though the leaf seems to be infringing on that but that is another debate for another day). They don't need a budget version for this car - it would be silly. I could see them doing an Infiniti G25 coupe before a 4cyl Z (unless of course they decide, for efficiency reason, to dial in a turbo-4 Z that puts out around the same power, and even then it would likely be the only engine option).

Pricewise - a well equipped Z is $36,000 MSRP. Loaded at $41,000. That is a far cry from a vehicle that is supposed to be around $25,000. The Z compares with Porsche performance numbers while the 3.8 Genesis is right around performance numbers of the G37S coupe (a good ways off from Z numbers, and is a closer competitor to the Genesis Coupe - a 2+2 that doesn't ride like a skateboard).

Bottom line is this - if Toyota stays true to their word and delivers this thing in a range of $20,000 - $25,000, they will sell like hotcakes. If they start at $25K and come in around $30,000 well-equipped/loaded, they'll sit on them and this segment will be limited and eventually killed off again like the mid 90s budget sport coupes in the celica, 240sx, honda prelude, etc.

People looking at Zs are looking at porsche-like performance figures. I see this FT-86 at 200hp being ZERO threat to Z sales for people that are truly in the market for a car like a 370. Someone that has the money to buy either car won't be buying the FT-86 if they're looking for a balls-to-the-wall sports car, especially if this toyota edges closer to $30K. If they keep it closer to $20K, they have the potential to kick start the market, in which case, it may light the fire under honda, and in turn, Nissan will likely jump into the mix as well. Silvia enthusiasts are everywhere. My brother would likely be first in line to get one if they revived it and did it right.

If Nissan is doing what I think they're doing from a market analysis standpoint, they already have a plan in place to respond to the potential success of the BRZ/FT86, they're just waiting on them to take the risks of being first-movers.

[krash]

^ Agree with everything you said.

I can't really say much more other than a 20-25k rwd coupe from nissan would be great

[jsturges18]

i agree with you xenonser. i do really hope nissan makes something to challenge the ft 86 and genesis. as for the subaru for what i heard its suppose to be a 2 door wrx/sti. so figure $35,000 for a 2 door awd sports coupe thats still only pushing 300hp. no thank you. and i really think nissan should step up the z's game by giving it more grunt. now ive never driven a z car but ive played around with cars in that area of performance and it seems like car makers are just producing cars with more and more power for less money such as a chevy camaro ss. 400hp $30,000 price tag. besides looking at quality of the car, those numbers sound amazing where you can spend 35,000 on a sti and get 300hp or 30,000 on a z and get 300hp.

i would really like to see a reborn silvia with a turboed 4 cylinder around that 20 to 25,000 price tag but also beef up the z a bit. more power but your right, it just depends on how sales goes for toyota's ft 86 and im sure if nissan makes a new silvia there will be planty of used ft 86s'

just whatever happens please no hybrids!! the last thing i would want is a sporty hybrid car -_- like the honda cr-z and now theres talk about a new s2000 or something similar to it that will be a hybrid.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

With whispers of the Z getting a possible Mercedes V8 and thus moving up a segment, it's quite probable that there just might be a mini-Z in the future.

[asoomal]

Eh, I doubt it. The Z has terrible sales, they won't really make much money out of them anyways.

Last thing I want to see is a future S Chassis with CVT.

[zacmil]

With whispers of the Z getting a possible Mercedes V8 and thus moving up a segment, it's quite probable that there just might be a mini-Z in the future.

I just can't imagine them ever putting anything other than a 6 cylinder in a Z car. I also can't imagine them bumping it up a segment, that would have it getting too close to GT-R territory.

Personally, I can't imagine Nissan bringing back the S chassis. I know there are a ton of people (myself included) who would love to see it happen, but unless they could keep it SIGNIFICANTLY cheaper than the 370Z, I can't imagine it selling all that well. Plus, I wonder how much a new S chassis would eat into sales of the Z. I know that the enthusiast crowd will probably stick with what they want, but I'd assume the average consumer who just wants a sporty car would pick whatever was cheaper and/or had a lower cost of ownership; that would likely be the S chassis. Basically, I think it's just wishful thinking.

also...

Last thing I want to see is a future S Chassis with CVT.

[jsturges18]

With whispers of the Z getting a possible Mercedes V8 and thus moving up a segment, it's quite probable that there just might be a mini-Z in the future.

that would ruin the z. its been a 6 cylinder its whole life and the fact that they would put a german pos engine into it

i also dont think that bumping up the z would effect the gtr because the gtr is in its own league. by giving the z just a tad bit more power i dont think will affect anything just so they could squeeze in a silvia. but i do believe that having a 4cly silvia can take sales away from a z especially being that it would be a sporty 4 cylinder that gets better gas mileage than a z, and most likel being more practical having more seats and would still be a fun car to drive.

i know for me tho that if i had the money and they did have a silvia and a z i would so go for the bigger more powerful z.

[themadscientist]

that would ruin the z. its been a 6 cylinder its whole life and the fact that they would put a german pos engine into it

ORLY?

[Dattebayo]

I would hardly call a Mercedes engine a POS...

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

that would ruin the z. its been a 6 cylinder its whole life and the fact that they would put a german pos engine into it

ORLY?

f*** beat me to it...

[Kompresshun]

I would hardly call a Mercedes engine a POS...

^This. Especially if it's an AMG engine, which it likely will be.

If Nissan does decide to compete, I think it would be a better idea to drop the Altima Coupe and release something similar to the 240SX, as far as being Front engine and rear wheel drive. I highly doubt they're going to drop a 4cyl into a Z though.

[jsturges18]

ahh ok you guys got me. i forgot about the real old days. and i just dont like mercedes and i would really hate to see one of their engines into a nissan. but i dont think the z would become a v8. then it might start messing with the gtr. and anyways back to the a new silvia....... i agree with knocking out the altima coupe but at the same time i dont. and i say that becuase maybe someone wants a 2 door car but without having to be screwed in the winter with a rear wheel drive car. and the theres also fuel economy and hybrids and all sorts of new ideas coming out. so who knows whats going on. i just dont want them to be like honda and keep making everything hybrids.

[IBCoupe]

A new S might pull me away from my planned Scion purchase, if competitively priced...

[confedup]

A new S might pull me away from my planned Scion purchase, if competitively priced...

Yeah, you seem like a Scion guy from what I can tell. You party at the Blue Oyster club?

[themadscientist]

friggin beat me to it...

Get used to it!

[IBCoupe]

A new S might pull me away from my planned Scion purchase, if competitively priced...

Yeah, you seem like a Scion guy from what I can tell. You party at the Blue Oyster club?

Who the f*** are you?

[krash]

If the Z gets a mercedes engine, its going to be something blutec, from what I recall. The only thing that would suck about it is learning a new engine and how to work on it since Nissan engines are so familiar to us now.

[audtatious]

Yeah....It's interesting as well since Infiniti is releasing a 2013 IPL G37 'vert. You'd think they would have considered holding off if they were going away from the VQ

[Kompresshun]

Yeah....It's interesting as well since Infiniti is releasing a 2013 IPL G37 'vert. You'd think they would have considered holding off if they were going away from the VQ

I don't think they're dropping the VQ, I think they're just adding another engine option to the line-up.

[asoomal]

If the Z gets a mercedes engine, its going to be something blutec, from what I recall. The only thing that would suck about it is learning a new engine and how to work on it since Nissan engines are so familiar to us now.

A diesel? Why?


Anyways, weren't the L series engines pretty much a copy of the older MB inline 6's?

[themadscientist]

The valvetrain appears to have been inspired by a Mercedes design, but zee Germans would not produce an engine so raw and pissed off. They might put down the numbers, but it would likely be too refined to sound like an L.

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[Razi]

Love it!

[float_6969]

I could see a cheap RWD 2 door from Nissan for the $20-$25K. I'm thinking more like the MR16DDT in RWD form. Should make about the right power and would still meet the fuel economy requirements needed for that price segment. I would expect CVT and manual options.