FS: misc intercooler piping, 4 port euro head

[ragenasian]

Will be moving soon and need to get rid of some stuff

Here is some intercooler piping I need to get rid of



The big rubber intake hose was cut in half for some reason??? I am thinking about 60 bucks shipped for all the piping since the box will be a little big.

Also have a 4 port head with lower part of the intake manifold. It is bare no cams, valve covers, but everything else is there. Valve train is there with cam caps that are labelled to insure proper installation. I purchased this because a member was wanting one. After i purchased it the member kept saying he was going to get it, but I have had no response so I need to get some of the money back for this. I want 300 shipped for the head. Cam Caps aren't shown in the pics but I do have them.







I have two bare intake manifolds also. 40 bucks shipped each

I also have 2 stock exhaust manifolds. 40 bucks shipped each (HEAVY)

[tyrannix]

are you leaving the country, or just going to a new house, etc?

CJ

[1SlowCA18DET]

is that 300 shipped to the US??? also does it include the lower portion of the intake mani?? if so can you hold it for a week i'll give you some type of deposite

[float_6969]

Do you have the fuel rail to go with that sub-manifold? The 8 port intake fuel rail doesn't work on the 4 port sub-manifold.

[themadscientist]

I could use another one, let me know your terms via e-mail

[ragenasian]

Yeah I know the fuel rail is different but this particular head was minus that and the injectors.

I have the lower portion of the intake mani.

CJ: I am not leaving the country. I won't ever leave now. I just purchased a 250,000 dollar home here in Germany. We will be building a huge garage on it next (4 car garage with pit and lift, and a full basement for parts storage )

Would prefer whole payment on this head as I have already put the money down for another member who decided not to respond after me picking it up for him.

[themadscientist]

Well I can vouch for you at least. I got a head just like this from this silly SOB. Came quick, as described, no BS. If you want a 4-port head, give this one a serious thought.

[ragenasian]

HA HA thanks for the kind words MAD. The wife had to have this house and she is paying for it and the garage so I can't complain but she wants me to start thinning out my garage to get ready for the move.

[float_6969]

I'm intrested, but trying to find a fuel rail and the gaskets for it will be a pain. If you can help me out with that stuff, I'd probabally be down for it.

[tyrannix]

Well I can vouch for you at least. I got a head just like this from this silly SOB. Came quick, as described, no BS. If you want a 4-port head, give this one a serious thought.

+1 great seller, fast shipping A+ ....errr... [/ebay]

i got the other 4 port from this guy

good seller

CJ

[ragenasian]

thanks Tyrannix. I also haven't forgotten about you but the steps to go through in buying a house here in Germany is a little crazy and time consuming.

Right now it looks like the head will be sold to themadscientist because he doesn't need the rail or gaskets, but if for some reason this doesn't work out then I will get the rail and gaskets for anybody else who would like this. For anybody else who wants one once I get settled down I will be able to get some more 4 port heads. Just have to thin out the garage right now.

[float_6969]

Oh, as if you don't have enough spare CA parts laying around TMS! Pig....

[ragenasian]

Well I got a new CA powered 200sx and it needs a FMIC and he told me he as comlete kit for trade so go easy on him PLus he has been helping me get some parts shipped so I kind of owe him too

Float I can get another one if you are really interested. I can also get the fuel rails and I can order all the gaskets that you would need. These CA's are getting a little too expensive for people over here so they usually just swap in a whole different motor then rebuilding it.

[float_6969]

Naw, don't worry about it too much. Unless it's a good deal, I don't need one. I was just contemplating flow testing the two heads to put a rest to how they stack up next to each other.

[themadscientist]

Oh, as if you don't have enough spare CA parts laying around TMS! Pig....

Oink Oink! I own my ex's 180 now, I need to stock up on replacement parts! That T300S is going to look nice on the CA. Got to find some cams again though, I sold mine

[tyrannix]

Oink Oink! I own my ex's 180 now, I need to stock up on replacement parts! That T300S is going to look nice on the CA. Got to find some cams again though, I sold mine

going to leave the pooh interior ?

Dee said he might organize another group buy on teh cam regrinds. to 270/9 or something and you get to keep the hydraulic lifters and it was around $500. it might be going in january.

CJ

[float_6969]

Well I found a good pic of the 8 port head and now I might be changing my mind. Will you email me a price for a head (I don't need cams, lifters, ect) sub mani and fuel rail? You can email me HERE.

[themadscientist]

going to leave the pooh interior ?

Dee said he might organize another group buy on teh cam regrinds. to 270/9 or something and you get to keep the hydraulic lifters and it was around $500. it might be going in january.

CJ

Of course, Pooh-sx is an institution. I can't mess with the mojo.I have some RB20 Tomei solid lifters and they drop into the CA so I will get some Tomei bumpsticks in the future.

[tyrannix]

sent you an email.

if you want to just flow test, you can borrow mine (or buy it if i dont/after i use it on a ca20)

[float_6969]

The problem is that if you let me borrow the 4 port, and it flows better than the 8 port, you might not get the 4 port back!

But seriously, I've got an 8 port, and I'd like to have a 4 port, so that if it does flow better, I can drop the better flowing head on the motor. I suspect the 4 port is going to win though. I plan on doing the testing with the sub mani's attached and the butterfly's open.

[float_6969]

Email sent. Whats your aim/yahoo?

[ragenasian]

Hey float I might be able to pick one up this weekend when I go to check on my new house there is a guy up there that supposedly has one. It is missing the fuel rail and lower mani but I can get those off my other motor since I already have those on my current CA. figuring that these things don't go bad I probably won't need them. So if I can get this other head then I will put together everything you need. That is if you will want this thing after you do the flow test. I am pretty sure there are a lot of people who are awaiting your results.

[tyrannix]

The problem is that if you let me borrow the 4 port, and it flows better than the 8 port, you might not get the 4 port back!

But seriously, I've got an 8 port, and I'd like to have a 4 port, so that if it does flow better, I can drop the better flowing head on the motor. I suspect the 4 port is going to win though. I plan on doing the testing with the sub mani's attached and the butterfly's open.

of course the bigger single port will 'flow better', but its a difference that you need to choose for application

like i said, barring and rediculous results, i would use the 4 port on a high rev, race-only engine that i didnt need any low end on. the butterflies help the low end by increasing intake velocity. so while yes, the 4 port will flow better, i cant see it increasing power at all in the low end, with a possibility of losing power even more in the band, until very high.

I talked to sweedish mike a bit about it too, apparently they do the same thing there as the guy at mototuneusa (where he decreases the intake port diameter and shows a tangible gain in power)

apparently the baller CAs in sweeden weld the intake ports (instead of JB weld like mototune) and grind them into shape

but hey, im not one to claim fact without a source, so ill leave it at that, and i will try to dyno the ca20 with both the 4 port, and 8 port (with multiple settings, all open, all closed, and a run with it switched) and take a look at the dyno curves with everything else the same (to include stock cams and non adjustable cam gears)

CJ

[float_6969]

I'm very much aware of the info on mototune's site, but there are some differences that I don't think apply to a car motor quite the same. The first and foremost is NA vs FI. The second is RPMS.

The sportbike motors turn so fast that the intake pulses and port velocities are both very high. Because of this they run quite a bit of overlap, hence the high idle speeds. By increasing the port velocities even more, they are giving the incoming air more inertia. They also highly polish the exhaust track and add a "lip" so that the exhaust has a greater exit speed and draws more exhaust out of the combustion chamber. At the same time, the lip helps to fight reversion. This only works as well as it does because of the valve overlap. Turbo grind cams rarely have this much overlap because the pressures seen in the turbo/exhaust manifold are many times higher than seen in a NA manifold because of the turbo. Also, we aren't turning our motors anywhere near the 14-18K RPMS that the sportbikes are.

I'm not saying that a high port velocity CA is a bad idea, I'm saying that it prob wouldn't be turbo, it would need large cams with lots of overlap, and be prepped to turn lots of RPM.

Although I do value bottom end, the CA never has been and never will be a sub 3k RPM powerplant. It just DOESN'T make power that low. I have the butterflies hooked up and they definatly help, but it's still a weaksauce motor down low. I know that, and have built the motor with mid range as a priority with upper end being 2nd in line.

Also, the butterflies cut the volumentric effeciency down so much that if you were to try and leave them closed all of the time, the motor actually can't move enough air through it to make it to the 7500RPM redline. Trust me, I've tried. I also am experienceing slight knock at high load, high boost, low RPM conditions. The little CA T25 that I'm running right now is the main cause as I never had this problem with the T28.

Anyway, I guess my point is that if I loose a little power below 3K, but make power in the mid to high range RPMS, then the 4 port is the right head for me.

It all boils down to the area under the curve....

[float_6969]

Hey float I might be able to pick one up this weekend when I go to check on my new house there is a guy up there that supposedly has one. It is missing the fuel rail and lower mani but I can get those off my other motor since I already have those on my current CA. figuring that these things don't go bad I probably won't need them. So if I can get this other head then I will put together everything you need. That is if you will want this thing after you do the flow test. I am pretty sure there are a lot of people who are awaiting your results.

I'm down with whoever can get me the head first, and cheapest

[tyrannix]

all that said, i dont agree with you on all points, but i wil say youd probably be better off getting the head from jason. even if it is a little more overall with shipping, as mine needs a bit of machine work to make it usable again (dont remember exactly what)

and i want to see your back to back 8port vs 4 port numbers so i can use it on my next 'hoss' build with the forgies if need be

(see my email, dont remember if we already talked/ i had to disconnect the damn dialup the other night...... not having access to broadband sucks balls)

CJ

[float_6969]

I still intend to do back to back turbo comparisons as well as 8 port vs 4 port. I'm getting a spare 8 port head from Sean, and then I hope to get the 4 port from Jason.

After I have both heads in my possession, I'll tear them both down completely, have both heads and sub manis hot tanked, bolt the bare heads and sub mani's together and then stick them both on a flow bench and see what happens. A flow bench isn't going to be a very good way to compare the two as they could very well act very differently under boost, but it's a starting point.

After that both heads will get port matched and polished. I'll then take them both back to the flow bench and see where I'm at again.

Whichever head flows worse will be installed on the motor w/a T28 @14psi. Then the better flowing head will be installed w/a T28 @ 14psi and we'll finally see which flows better.

[ragenasian]

I have another 4 port euro head that is complete with lower intake manifold. This one is 350 bucks shipped. This was picked up for one of our Nico members who bailed after I picked this up for him so I am stuck with it. He is still telling me he is getting the money but this has been going on for 3 months now and I just don't have the patience anymore always another excuse and he HAD to have a 4 port. I am accepting any trades for this thing. Let me know what you have if you want to trade. Cash is better but I have no use for this head.

[Swedish Mike]

Yeah I know the fuel rail is different but this particular head was minus that and the injectors.

I have the lower portion of the intake mani.

CJ: I am not leaving the country. I won't ever leave now. I just purchased a 250,000 dollar home here in Germany. We will be building a huge garage on it next (4 car garage with pit and lift, and a full basement for parts storage )

Would prefer whole payment on this head as I have already put the money down for another member who decided not to respond after me picking it up for him.

Sounds like a sweet house!

Is there any chanse you got a cheap Audi/VW/BMW/Volvo in store? I need a new daily driver around 1500-2000 Euro, my Renault is pretty dead right now...

[ragenasian]

It sucks that you are so far away. With the military draw down here the Americans are giving up cars for next to nothing. Last october I picked up a NIssan D21 pickup for 300 bucks. It is definately a beater but it runs great and has been hauling stuff from my apartment to the new house. Lots of new parts came with the truck too. Another friend got a free 2001 Jetta that wasn't running too well. Found out it never had an oil change. Tuned it up runs great now. Another base is getting ready to close so I am hoping I can pickup a couple of 200sx that are sitting down there for next to nothing. They of course have CA's sitting in them.

Just to share here is the new house SwedishMike



They build houses here to last generations so this is why they are so expensive. Plus land here is crazy to buy and I have now 2000 square meters of land which is huge for German standards.

Anyways. Somebody BUY THIS HEAD PLEASE!!!!!!!