I found a great website you can sell your music on without having to go through a distributor or label. It is a great alternative as you are the boss and you see all income and handle it directly.

http://zzzmusic.bandcamp.com/

I recommend bandcamp.com and www.soundcloud.com any day they are great websites for musicians.

so you consider yourself a musician? Im not knocking what you do, just merely asking a question bro

Koshin beat me...are you

mu·si·cian
   /myuˈzɪʃən/ Show Spelled[myoo-zish-uhn] Show IPA
–noun
1.
a person who makes music a profession, esp. as a performer of music.
2.
any person, whether professional or not, skilled in music.


No where in the definition does it say what kind of music.

Just because the music is made on a computer doesn't take away the fact that its music. It still takes skill and creativity.

To answer you question, yes he is a musician.

Yup. It takes alot of skill and creativity to do it on the computer. Its not like I can pick up my computer and just play it. I also play the piano. Alot of my synths are played thru a midi keyboard. If you know anything about what midi is.

See people tend to make the misconception that because it is on synthesizers and computer programs that it is easier than being and old school musician with guitars, drums, etc when in fact its not. Thus they get it in their little minds that because it was made digitally it is not music and that it took no skill. In fact I've had people tell me all my music is was loops layered over loops. When I am clearly using synthesizers. Then people told me that I was using all presets. Then people told me that my music is crap, key clashes, and has no structure. Then people told me all of the attention I got on my soundcloud page is not because of my music it is because of the internet. Then people told me that I got featured in future music mag not because of my music. I've gotten knocked on by hundreds of people around the world and I no longer take offense to it. You can have whatever opinion of what I do and I wont care either way and will continue making my music.

http://www.soundcloud.com/djz

For anyone who is interested in the subject and the validity of my words I recommend you go get a trial copy of ableton 8 and lets see what you come up with. Also get ahold of some synths like sylenth or reason.

But nonetheless like stated before. Music is music. No matter how its created.

Most people don't pay for music anymore. I stopped trying to sell my s*** years ago. It's on myspace and people don't even listen to it when it's free, why would they want to pay to listen to it?

I don't consider mixing other people's stuff being a musician, sorry. It certainly takes skill, though, and there is a discernible difference between "bad" and "good" DJs.

Now this is talent!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLa8Br56 ... re=related

Reverend. Obviously your music wasnt advertised or promoted correctly. I get 3000 plays on my music weekly and hundreds of downloads on the stuff I give for free. So you need to work on your marketing.

And TMS (scientist) I assume you never noticed I stopped doing just mixes (Dj mixes of other peoples music) and started creating my own music.

http://www.soundcloud.com/djz

Just browse that stuff. I made all of it unless it says its a mix.

But hey to each his own. Like I said. Go pick up ableton 8, reason 4, sylenth, synplant, nexus, korg legacy collection and brainworx's eq plugin (my setup) and go make some beats. You'll see what I'm doing and notice its not easy at all.

I do not want to be attacked but perhaps I'm setting myself up for it?

I'll check er out.

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Alright, I checked a few of them out; not diggin it. Sounds like this to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4gqsuww ... re=related

I guess I like heavier stuff. I've heard some trance, er house, uh, techno, ham sandwich; whatever the new hip term is for this stuff is, that I actually like. The ones I dig are usually fast with a heavy, tight, not boomy, bass thump. The melodic floaty stuff just bores me.

Like the first track here.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c2UiwCgf-Do

I guess this is called "jumpstyle?"

A musician is someone who PLAYS music...at least...that is the archaic definition and the one most people associate the word with. What you do is compose music. A digital composer shall we say?

That's an excellent point. Exactly it; composer.

TMS, how about some real hardcore, Thunderdome style?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qoEtuRD2wgc



or this? Neophyte
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gU6b-GkIPYs

Ugh... Hardstyle.

I am not much a fan of hardstyle but I give the genre credit because they throw some insane parties over there in europe that is all hardstyle.

And sure, digital composer. Still music to me. Someone could play some pieces on buckets with drum sticks and If they put effort into making rhythm I'd call it music. Music is an art form and art comes in all shapes and sizes. That I think we can all agree.

Hardstyle makes me want to throw up.

More my style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7fZoBgtvJds

Or non-obnoxious house.

Also, you suck.

i just use fruity loops and some vst plug ins. i think its easier to do but probably isnt as flexible. fl is getting better at not "sounding like fruity loops" imo. check some of my stuff out www.soundclick.com/rpgmusiccomposer

I need something harder than most of this stuff.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52scMVXF ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t375hNSPyg&feature=fvst

Sorry guys, I grew up when music was somewhat memorable and angry. We didn't dance with light sticks we crashed into each other.

Loving your stuff Kornmanz. Zeus and your deadmau5 mixes are real solid. Keep up the good work.

To each his own tms.

Thanks ralph. Check this one out.

http://soundcloud.com/djz/phatty

First im on the fence about what defines a "musician". I am a musician, can read sheet music, play piano(was classicaly trained), play guitar(badly), and know music theory. Now this being said, these qualifications dont make a musician. Many bands i gig'ed in over the years had very talanted musicians that couldnt read a note, and words like "transpose" were greek to them, yet they knew how to make melodies, harmonise etc with the instrument of there choise.

Now where i have an issue is where the computer does all the work.

Example, not more than a few months ago, I was at a club that show cases new tallent. I met this guys who knew of me, and approuched me to talk "shop". I remmember we started talking, then he told me he was a musician. Now all you peeps who are musicians, we like talking shop. As we began to talk it became apparent really f'n quick that he didnt know one instrument from another(i would like to point out that around this time some of his buddies joined the conversation). What he did was basically used samples and loops to string together making what he called "music". Now ive used FL, but my poison of choice is sony acid pro, and im very familiar with how easy it is to beat match etc with these programs, it's so easy infact my wife has started farting around with it.

either way after about 5min of hearing how they were musicians i said "no you are not, your an artist, but not a musician" this pissed them off, but it was the truth. In hindsight it still pisses me off that they tried to convince me that allowing a computer to do all the legwork constitutes being a musician, yet they did not sample sounds, lay midi tracks(rather they hacked from the web and used other peep's material) etc.

Are they creative? yes, are they artists? yes(much the same way a DJ is), but they are not musicians. I would also like to state, i do like looping and sampling materials, sending through vst's, and vsti's, but 60% of the samples stuff i use was composed by me.

If you guys wanna see talent, this little guy has it. I bought his first cd a few weeks back and are still stunned
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CgVqX0a49HM[/youtube]