For 95-96 Zenki owners, have you seen these ultra-clear PLASTIC headlights?

Website · Post by **TurboKA37** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

yea, i sent you an email on the 7th with my information and you sent back a confirmation email. if you need it again let me know. my email is [email protected]

Post by **MECPInstaller** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

K yeah sorry i'm just retarded. I just saw your info it in my notebook. Thats what 3 hours of sleep and half a gallon of mt. dew for breakfast do to you.... Sorry about that, I'm just not with it today.

Website · Post by **240dreamer** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

i definitely like the black housings better...i too have a red 240 and i just sat and smiled when i saw the pics....then i got mad when i read he got them for free!!! oh well, the $$$ will be worth it.

-Adam

Post by **9095240SXDUCK** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

did i ever say my car is red too???LOL

Damn I even dream about it again in my nap like 10 min ago!

I want them bad, but I just wish it is not this much money!

Post by **MECPInstaller** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

haha don't get obsessed now they're just lenses:) And I thought 240's in burgandy were fairly popular but you reds seem to have me beat.

I think all of us are alil cranky about the price but thats the lowest that systemq can sell them for without losing Final Konnexion. We could always try to get 50 people together for a larger group buy lol. kidding

Post by **chmercer** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

ugh you guys are tools if you pay 400$ for a piece of plastic. with 400$ you could get a full bucket seat, harness, steering wheel, strut bars, and some gauges. would you rather have that or a piece of plastic. cmon.

edit - AND this will DESTROY your beam pattern; your car will be worthless at nighttime.

Post by **MECPInstaller** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

Hey don't come in and trash the thread for no reason..... Its our money let us do what we please. Thank you and good day... I said good day.(gotta love that 70s show)

Post by **chmercer** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

ok, just be aware that it will ruin your beam pattern and thus your nighttime visibility.

Post by **TangyXTC** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

chmercer wrote:ugh you guys are tools if you pay 400$ for a piece of plastic. with 400$ you could get a full bucket seat, harness, steering wheel, strut bars, and some gauges. would you rather have that or a piece of plastic. cmon.

edit - AND this will DESTROY your beam pattern; your car will be worthless at nighttime.

I have these lenses and I drive at night ALL THE TIME. My car is not worthless at night.

1. Would I ever spend 400$ on lenses? If i had the money maybe, but mostly likely not cause im poor.2. Are these lenses badass? Hell yeah!3. Does the pros outweigh the cons? another Hell yeah!

Please don't talk $hit and keep it to yourself.

Post by **chmercer** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

the factory lenses are fluted in such a way as to direct the light into a useable beam pattern, ie, pointed at the road. these aftermarket lenses, obviously, are not fluted. light dispersed everywhere. if you guys want to see the beam pattern before you buy, take off your factory lenses and drive around with them open. its retarded to sacrifice visibility for "looks".

hey, i got an idea, buy a heat gun and a sheet of plexiglass and make your own, which will run you much less than these overpriced to hell headlight lenses. also, when you are done, you will end up with a useful tool that you can used for all kinds of stuff.

Post by **240SXedUp** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

Write up for a DIY and I will not buy the headlights.

Post by **MECPInstaller** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

Chmercer we already went over that previously in the thread, Actually I came up with the plexiglass idea on page one. And after afew comments, I sat and thought about and 1) If your able to heat the plexi with a heatgun, what will a 55watt halogen do if its on for hours, 2)I agree yes it would be cheaper but whens the last time you tried molding plexi with a heatgun and making an exact form fitting lens, remember the plexi/clear plastic comes in sheets and getting the corners and sides right would be next to impossible, not saying it couldn't be done but they would have a very high possibility of leaking and look pretty ghetto.

The only true way of producing quality lenses is using vaccume molding and injection, male/female style die pressing, or possibly casting. I did a quick search on Plastic Injection Molding Machines. Here's a cheaper one since I'm on a budget 1991 Nissei Plastic Injection Molding Machine (FH860S420BSE)

1991 Nissei FH860S420BSE Plastic Injection Molding Machine. $49,999.00 or best offer! In compliance with UCC regulations, this unit must be sold in commercially reasonable manner to the highest bidder.

Currently I do not have the 49k+ to own, store, and operate this machine, if I did I'd be popping plastic parts out of that badboy left and right. Also I'm not even sure if the machine will do clear plastics or not. I know we don't want black non transparent lenses:)

I'm not trying to sound outrageous or sarcastic, I'm simply stating that to produce lenses and plastic products in a professional quality you have to have the proper machinery. The Zenki lenses are a semi rare item to find, so intern that means there probaly isn't many being made, compared to lenses for civics, and integras. The molds well at least common male/female die molds can run upwards of 5-8k per set(my father runs a tool and die company and provided me with the average price just for the records). The company has to up the price on lesser production lenses due to the fact they are having to pay for these machines, the raw materials, the molds, and the employees to run it all. Also remember they have to pay for health insurance, keeping they're factories up to Safety specs, paying utilities and the list goes on.

Another small tidbit of info Nissan dealers sell the OEM headlights at around 250 without shipping per side, not including corners. And I'm sure the Nissan Automobile Factories produced thousands upon thousands of headlights(making the prices drastically cheaper) ,whereas these clear lenses are produced to a very limited market of 240sx enthusiast so obviously there price per item would be higher.

I'm sorry about my excessive wrambling but I'm trying to prove a point that the price of these even though it is alil high is not extravagant compared to producing them yourself. BTW i have a heatgun and afew small sheets of 1/8inch plexi in my garage, if you want I'll show you how difficult it is to make quality bends with limited tools.

Anyway I'll be quiet, just needed to vent alil steam in a calm and informative fashion, Hope everyone enjoyed:)Thank you guys (Tangy and 240sxed) for backing me up, I promise I won't let anyone down. And I'm spent...........

Post by **MECPInstaller** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

Oh and just to set the records straight they aren't $400 they are $354.90 shipped to your door.

Post by **The Enthusiast** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

This chmercer dude was talkin $h!t in a thread I started too. Just don't get why someone would get so heated about something other people want to do with their car and money.Tangy, are the covers better, worse, or the same for night driving?

Post by **chmercer** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

whatever guys, buy it if you want.

and if you think talking **** = pointing out the flaws in a product, then yes i was talking ****.

Website · Post by **TurboKA37** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

there are no flaws in this product, they meant to make it clear and stylish

Website · Post by **SoCalS14** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

Either way. they look great, and I would be intersted to know how much the beam pattern suffers. The reflector is supposed to "reflect" the light right? how does the fluting help? by refracting it somehow?

Website · Post by **240dreamer** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

how do you explain the factory clear lenses on other cars, no flluting on them...i'm interested to know how this works, cuz it looks to me that a plastic lens on our cars are any different than stock plastic lens' on other cars... maybe you guys (chmercer) could enlighten me...thanks

-Adam

Post by **9095240SXDUCK** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

chmercer wrote:the factory lenses are fluted in such a way as to direct the light into a useable beam pattern, ie, pointed at the road. these aftermarket lenses, obviously, are not fluted. light dispersed everywhere. if you guys want to see the beam pattern before you buy, take off your factory lenses and drive around with them open. its retarded to sacrifice visibility for "looks".

hey, i got an idea, buy a heat gun and a sheet of plexiglass and make your own, which will run you much less than these overpriced to hell headlight lenses. also, when you are done, you will end up with a useful tool that you can used for all kinds of stuff.

Well I did took my lens off tonight since I need it to change the whole right Headlight since the bracket that hold the side light is broken. SO I DID COMPAIR THE LEFT TO THE RIGHT AND I HAD 2 OTHER FRIENDS THAT EACH OWN 95 OR 96 240SX. WE ALL DRIVEN OUR 240SX TO A VERY VERY DARK PARKING LOT WITH NO LIGHT. IF WE TURN OFF OUR HEADLIGHTS WE CAN NOT EVEN SEE THE OTHER PERSON THAT IS STANDING ABOUT 2 INCH AWAY. (IT WAS THAT DARK) THE HEADLIGHT IS BRIGHTER WITHOUT THE LENS AND THE BEAM WAS SHOTING THE RIGHT WAY. ALL 3 OF US AGREE THAT IT WILL BE BETTER TO HAVE THE CLEAR LENS WITHOUT sacrifice visibility for "looks MATTER OF FACT IT IS/WILL BE BETTER THEN STOCK LENS! I know this sound somewhat stupid but I do wish to drive without the lens since it is that much better. but we all know soon as it rain bye bye Headlight Bulbs!! ALSO I WANT TO SAY IS THAT 3 OF OURS HL LENS WAS VERY CLEAN NO YELLOWING. BEFORE SOMEONE SAY BS AND SAY IS BECAUSE MY LENS WAS YELLOWING OUT!

well i wish i can take pic of it but my DC is broken!:(

Website · Post by **SoCalS14** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

Ahhh...the scientific method at its best.

Post by **MECPInstaller** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

Time to break out the ol' physics book lol. 16 left for the g/b we need to find some more people.

Post by **Nissan-S14** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

You know, you dont have to defend your self at all. Its your money, its your car do whatever the hell you want with it, dont let anyone tell you what to do with your car. I had that happen before. Which im not getting into. If you like the clear lenses get them. End of story.

Post by **dunkee** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

Thank goodness S_14.5 for finally posting a full front view of your car. Looks good. :ylsuper

Post by **dunkee** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

SoCalS14 wrote:Either way. they look great, and I would be intersted to know how much the beam pattern suffers. The reflector is supposed to "reflect" the light right? how does the fluting help? by refracting it somehow?

The OEM cover blocks the light so it doesn't shine in people's faces...but there are worse headlight setups on the road.

Website · Post by **SoCalS14** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

I really do not give a crap how they work, they look great. I wanna I wanna I wanna!!!

Website · Post by **TurboKA37** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

^ me too

Post by **MECPInstaller** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

I want them here soon too.. any ideas on some good forums or free classifieds I could post up to.

and comment to....The OEM cover blocks the light so it doesn't shine in people's faces..

Hahaha we'll be blinding people without our highbeams on lol, it'll make me feel like I'm driving a luxury car:)

Post by **9095240SXDUCK** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

LOLThen put some HIDs on then we can light up the whole street!

Post by **The Enthusiast** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

MECPInstaller, I would start with the forums on Zilvia.net and the group buy section of silviawerks.com.

Post by **The Enthusiast** » Mon May 31, 2004 6:36 pm

you could try http://www.thenissanclub.com also

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