FMIC

[davidricardo86]

I found this s14/s15 kit on ebay. What do you think? I saw this and it looks identical to the XS and SSA fmic kits. It would be this, or a Greddy Spec M for s14 SR. Opinions?

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW

You Are Bidding The Following One Intercooler Kit for

Nissan 95-98 240SX S14 S15 Chassis

with S14 SR20DET Swap

Kit Includes Intercooler, Pipes, Hoses, and Clamps Core Size 24"x11"x3" Overall Size 31"x11"x3" 2.75" Inlet & Outlet 3" Thick Core







Length 31" Height 11" Thickness 3" Inlet 2.75" Outlet 2.75" Compress Air Flow Rate <700Cubic Feet/Min, Rated to 600-700 Max HP Working Pressure: 35~40PSI Pressure Drop 2~5psi@35psi; 0.2~0.5psi@15psi Hot Air Temperature 32°F~302°F (0°C~150°C) Material 100% Aluminum Design Bar and Plate Construction Machine Cut and Stamped, Hand Welded Finish Polished Net Weight 25 lbs Contents of the Kit One 31"x11"x3" Intercooler Stainless Steel Clamp Silicon Hoses Aluminum Pipes Bolts and Brackets Buy it now: $219.00

Shipping: $53.00

[ns060]

are you going to be using this on a ca18det setup in s13? Cuz if so theres oene for sale on ebay for 160+ shipping

[ragenasian]

After all the nice work you have done with your motor wouldn't the Greddy one be a nicer finish???? Unless of course cash is an issue.

[superJoy]

Just get SSAC, it's cheaper and you won't have to modify the piping any:

http://app.infopia.com/Shop/Co...31982

[jt15833]

cores that big befuddle me. whats the point when a smaller core can handle the same amount of hp just as well, blocks the radiator less and reduces boost lag? unless of course you have 400 at the wheels or somethin

[mbmbmb23]

FYI, My XS FMIC kit had wrong size silicone couplers and was missing the hotpipe to IC double elbow. Buyer beware.

[davidricardo86]

are you going to be using this on a ca18det setup in s13? Cuz if so theres oene for sale on ebay for 160+ shipping

Yes i am. I'll check out the other one.

After all the nice work you have done with your motor wouldn't the Greddy one be a nicer finish???? Unless of course cash is an issue.

Yes the Greddy one would be better! And money is an issue so im kind of stumped on what would benefit me the most. I like to go by the "you get what you pay for" saying so the Greddy unit would be best. I dont mind paying a little more for something i know i can trust.

Just get SSAC, it's cheaper and you won't have to modify the piping any:

http://app.infopia.com/Shop/Co...31982

Well actually i was searching through some old posts and kept finding that the SSAC s13 CA kits have to have their coldpipe modified unless you use an s14 coldpipe. This one here is a specific s14 sr20 kit and thats what most people have had success with. Its even got a "1 year warranty" compared to the SSAC one. I could probably even request a smaller core considering all they do is intercoolers, piping, and what not. SSAC does make an s14 sr20 kit too so im not sure.

cores that big befuddle me. whats the point when a smaller core can handle the same amount of hp just as well, blocks the radiator less and reduces boost lag? unless of course you have 400 at the wheels or somethin

I understand what you're saying but it seems that most quality brands out there only have bigger units like the one above. I found this other company whoes name is Mishimoto.com and they make decent smaller universal cores like this one and with a warranty too just like the ebay seller "Just-intercoolers":



That seller on ebay, Just-Intercoolers, also would probaby be able to switch the core to a smaller one for me. Currently my s13 is basically stock so something too big would'nt be the best for overall response and performance. Take into consideration that i plan on buying a quality unit and slightly bigger so later i dont have to upgrade to a larger unit when i decide to increase hp. How much performance would i loose with a bigger unit compared to a smaller unit? I really dont know! Some of you guys might know but it probably wont be too much of a difference, correct me if im wrong!

Here is the s14 sr20 Greddy Spec M unit i was also considering not only because of price but quality and brand. Obviously some of you already know that Greddy produces better parts when compared to SSAC, usually!

GReddy Intercooler SPEC-M - Nissan Silvia S13 / S14 SR20DET

NIS SILVIA (S14) 1993-99 24D JDM, reloc. bat. 12020468

NIS 180SX (PS13) 1991-98 24D JDM, reloc. bat. 12020469

M-SPEC intercooler from GReddy has the size of a R-SPEC intercooler, and flows like a V-SPEC intercooler. The all new GReddy M-SPEC intercooler is now available for Nissan Silvia S13 SR or S14 SR applications. M-SPEC intercooler kit comes complete with piping. GReddy intercoolers offer the perfect balance of heat exchanging efficiency and flow. The ends of the cores are TIG-welded and capped off with smooth flowing heavy-duty cast aluminum GReddy polished end tanks. Light-weight mandrel bent polished aluminum piping; complete with 2 ply hose couplers, used to route air charge smoothly to and from the intercooler.

The SPEC-M intercooler consists of a proven 280x600x76mm 2 layer core completed with the trademark GReddy polished end tanks. Superior polished piping engineered to fit right the first time.

Availability: Usually ships in 5-7 business days.

12020469Regular price: $495.00Sale price: $429.00

Item in picture may not be the actual item.

FYI, My XS FMIC kit had wrong size silicone couplers and was missing the hotpipe to IC double elbow. Buyer beware.

My point exactly! I've read so many stories on how bad SSAC is with their customers, they dont answer email or phone calls, etc. etc. so this is definately one headache id like to avoid. Preferably i'd want to do this right this time (long story). You do get what you pay for!

[superJoy]

Well actually i was searching through some old posts and kept finding that the SSAC s13 CA kits have to have their coldpipe modified unless you use an s14 coldpipe. This one here is a specific s14 sr20 kit and thats what most people have had success with. Its even got a "1 year warranty" compared to the SSAC one. I could probably even request a smaller core considering all they do is intercoolers, piping, and what not. SSAC does make an s14 sr20 kit too so im not sure.

Oh yeah, I remember that thing about the S14 SR piping, heh. Well the the fact they sell that one too does make it more complicated.

The Greddy Spec-M seems like a fair compromise right now: decent price, good support, and the peace of mind that it's not a piece.

[tineira]

Why don't you guys use the standard Mitsubishi EVO intercoolers? I used one on my car with only minor mods. http://picasaweb.google.com/tineira/IntercoolerThe hot side piping needs some extra work

[mbmbmb23]

Why don't you guys use the standard Mitsubishi EVO intercoolers? I used one on my car with only minor mods. http://picasaweb.google.com/tineira/IntercoolerThe hot side piping needs some extra work

Looks nice! Ever consider mounting it upside down and backwards to make the hotside easier?

-m

[davidricardo86]

Oh yeah, I remember that thing about the S14 SR piping, heh. Well the the fact they sell that one too does make it more complicated.

The Greddy Spec-M seems like a fair compromise right now: decent price, good support, and the peace of mind that it's not a piece.

Im leaning more and more towards the Greddy unit!

Why don't you guys use the standard Mitsubishi EVO intercoolers? I used one on my car with only minor mods. http://picasaweb.google.com/tineira/IntercoolerThe hot side piping needs some extra work

That looks really good! Congrats on the find! Can you shed some light on the subject? Price? Time? Ease or difficulty? Etc. etc.

[mrzabala]

You should manage your money. Many times you get what you paid for. I like to think of it this way. What If I crash? Than my HKS FMIC that cost $1k+ just went down the drain as to having a $200-300 Not a big name brand FMIC going down the drain, but not hurting as much. Your running stock but thinking about going big HP someday. Will that FMIC last you that amount of time before you move on to big HP? I can go on, so dont get sucked into peoples band wagon, especially if they dont have that kit.

[rotorific]

David,

I just picked up one of the Greddy Spec M Intercoolers for 350 Shipped!!!

I have yet to put it on though....

[rotorific]

Another thing,

My reasoning for the Greddy unit was to get a smaller setup to reduce presssure drop but it is about the same size as the SSAC and other Knock off companies. Its all in the Quality..

[ragenasian]

David use your good judgement and get what fits your needs. If the ebay one fits your budget then go for it just let us know what you think when you get it. If it sucks then you are out 160 plus shipping and will have to get another. Then you will probably wished you went the extra mile and bought a nicer one. If it works then you didn't have to spend all that money for a nice one. It is the chance you take. No one is telling you to jump on any band wagon and there could be a reason why nobody bought this kit. There are many things I wished I would have waited a little while for and bought the nicer version then the cheaper version. As rotorific pointed out the Greddy ones can be found for a decent price just as I bought mine for 170 shipped in very very good condition (smaller intercooler). Plus I definately wont buy something just because I "might" crash my car. Quality doesn't always mean expensive if you are patient and shop around.

[disrupt]

My vote: go with the greddy M-spec. There is no garentee the specs for the ebay intercooler are true or even close and not that you are going to run 35 psi but a pressure drop across the intercooler of 5 psi is insane. I wouldn't believe that at 15 psi there is .2 to .5 psi drop either unless the intercooler really doesn't cool the air (that is to good to be true). At least with the greddy, like you said, it is a good name and should be good quality.

I am going to be using the greddy m-spec.

Cheers

[tineira]

Looks nice! Ever consider mounting it upside down and backwards to make the hotside easier?-m

That is the only way it fits without cutting too much.

[tineira]

That looks really good! Congrats on the find! Can you shed some light on the subject? Price? Time? Ease or difficulty? Etc. etc.

I just bought another intercooler from evolutionm.net forums. 5000 miles mint condition @ 120 shipped, you can get them cheaper, but I was in a hurry. You have to add to that, the cost of the custom piping. A friend helped me with the welds, so total cost of the piping was about $50. To install it you have to cut a bit from the frame rails (not structural), the battery tray, and about 10 cm from the bumper.

[dattodude]

I'd agree the 3inch ended ssac or china-style intercoolers on ebay are not real good for a CA. But the 2.5inch ones are just fine.

I'm running one of the generic 'made in china' intercoolers on mine. With a proper sized (gt2530) turbo, these intercoolers work great. Don't get sucked into the brandname thing.

The piping may be a trouble. But to cut and rotate a couple of intercooler pipes, and get them rewelded, will surely cost hundreds of dollars less. Only forum hobbits would find this sort of manual labor a problem.

This is my 2c plus GST + VAT + Bank Charges + Airline Taxes + Insurance.

[davidricardo86]

You should manage your money. Many times you get what you paid for. I like to think of it this way. What If I crash? Than my HKS FMIC that cost $1k+ just went down the drain as to having a $200-300 Not a big name brand FMIC going down the drain, but not hurting as much. Your running stock but thinking about going big HP someday. Will that FMIC last you that amount of time before you move on to big HP? I can go on, so dont get sucked into peoples band wagon, especially if they dont have that kit.

Good points! Thats why something like the Greddy Spec M is sort of in the middle of the intercooler spectrum, atleast for me and my wallet it is. Not too expensive but not too cheap and unknown like some of the others.

David,

I just picked up one of the Greddy Spec M Intercoolers for 350 Shipped!!!

I have yet to put it on though....

Another thing, My reasoning for the Greddy unit was to get a smaller setup to reduce presssure drop but it is about the same size as the SSAC and other Knock off companies. Its all in the Quality..

Daaaayum! Where? Can you please take a few pictures of the install and let me know how it goes for you? I want to gather as much info as possible before i spend another $400+ on my car. Which kit did you buy? S13 or S14? I called Greddy today and asked them about the S14 kit, the guy i was talking to just kept telling me it wouldnt fit because its not meant for my CA. Well duh guy, i know that and i know you gotta tell me that so you guys dont get into trouble! I know it might not fit 100% right but atleast it'll be a good start and i would probably only have to cut and reweld a pipe or two. Not a big deal. I was basing this off of what some of you guys using the SSAC S14 fmic kit have been through. If the Greddy and the SSAC kits are both for s14s, then there shouldnt be TOO much of a difference between the two. Am i right or am i wrong?

The Greddy unit is not THAT much smaller than the others out there but atleast i know i can trust in them, hopefully. I know the quality is there so thats a plus for me!

David use your good judgement and get what fits your needs. If the ebay one fits your budget then go for it just let us know what you think when you get it. If it sucks then you are out 160 plus shipping and will have to get another. Then you will probably wished you went the extra mile and bought a nicer one. If it works then you didn't have to spend all that money for a nice one. It is the chance you take. No one is telling you to jump on any band wagon and there could be a reason why nobody bought this kit. There are many things I wished I would have waited a little while for and bought the nicer version then the cheaper version. As rotorific pointed out the Greddy ones can be found for a decent price just as I bought mine for 170 shipped in very very good condition (smaller intercooler). Plus I definately wont buy something just because I "might" crash my car. Quality doesn't always mean expensive if you are patient and shop around.

I agree. Im not living my life thinking im going to crash my car but its obviously something you've got to take into consideration. Cars and car parts can be fixed or replaced. Period. Id rather not have to though, so ill stay away from crashing. I will use my best judgement once i make my final decision. Thanks for the advice!

My vote: go with the greddy M-spec. There is no garentee the specs for the ebay intercooler are true or even close and not that you are going to run 35 psi but a pressure drop across the intercooler of 5 psi is insane. I wouldn't believe that at 15 psi there is .2 to .5 psi drop either unless the intercooler really doesn't cool the air (that is to good to be true). At least with the greddy, like you said, it is a good name and should be good quality.

I am going to be using the greddy m-spec.

Cheers

Although there is no physical way of me testing this generic intercooler to see if the manufacturer is lieing or not, i hope that they tell their customers the truth if they plan on staying open for business. They supposeably strive to have the best customer satisfaction and quality work so its a tough call. Im sure HKS, BLITZ, JUN, etc. etc. didnt blow up and become what they are today by lieing about their products to their customers.

I just bought another intercooler from evolutionm.net forums. 5000 miles mint condition @ 120 shipped, you can get them cheaper, but I was in a hurry. You have to add to that, the cost of the custom piping. A friend helped me with the welds, so total cost of the piping was about $50. To install it you have to cut a bit from the frame rails (not structural), the battery tray, and about 10 cm from the bumper.

Thanks, ill keep this in mind. I know that i can trust the OEM intercooler off a Mitsubishi Evolution for sure. The only other thing would be getting the piping done. I really need to shop locally for a shop that can do this custom piping for me.

I'd agree the 3inch ended ssac or china-style intercoolers on ebay are not real good for a CA. But the 2.5inch ones are just fine.

I'm running one of the generic 'made in china' intercoolers on mine. With a proper sized (gt2530) turbo, these intercoolers work great. Don't get sucked into the brandname thing.

The piping may be a trouble. But to cut and rotate a couple of intercooler pipes, and get them rewelded, will surely cost hundreds of dollars less. Only forum hobbits would find this sort of manual labor a problem.

This is my 2c plus GST + VAT + Bank Charges + Airline Taxes + Insurance.

Well im not going to just base it off of brand or price alone. Rather all these things will help me make the final decision. You do get what you pay for and i can assure you i've been in this situation before and atleast twice throughout my build-up. It also depends on the person, for example im the type of person that likes to get the best deal with the lowest price and highest quality. Sometimes it doesnt work out as well as you planned and you end up with both, one or the other, or neither!

What i could do too is buy the intercooler core seperate, like a 27"x7"x2.5" unit and have the piping done seperately at a local shop? I think that with a 2.5" diameter piping and recirculating bypass valve would be my best bet especially for what ive got at the moment.

[rotorific]

I will try and take pics of my install. I already have the smaller battery, I just need to cut the hole in my battery tray.

For the S14 kit, the hot side pipe has to be cut. There is a line on the piping where it was bent? but yeah it is a perfect guideline to cut. Instead of rewelding it I had a machinist tell me to just use another coupler. He is going to make a lip for the pipe like all the other ones so it doesnt blow off. I feel it is a better option that just welding it because you can adjust it if need be. Other than that it will be a bolt on affair.

I honestly would have went with any reasonable intercooler with low pressure drop stats I could get my hands on. It just so happens that most of those kits are around 250-350 and I found that Greddy kit for 350 so it was a no brainer.

-Gabe

[ca18datsun510]

m spec

[nvrplzd240]

I bought my s14 sr i/c kit from an ebay store called CX-Racing. Buy it now for the complete kit was 195 shipped iirc. The welds look great and it had all of the silicon couplers and piping. I'd buy from them again.

[davidricardo86]

I will try and take pics of my install. I already have the smaller battery, I just need to cut the hole in my battery tray.

For the S14 kit, the hot side pipe has to be cut. There is a line on the piping where it was bent? but yeah it is a perfect guideline to cut. Instead of rewelding it I had a machinist tell me to just use another coupler. He is going to make a lip for the pipe like all the other ones so it doesnt blow off. I feel it is a better option that just welding it because you can adjust it if need be. Other than that it will be a bolt on affair.

I honestly would have went with any reasonable intercooler with low pressure drop stats I could get my hands on. It just so happens that most of those kits are around 250-350 and I found that Greddy kit for 350 so it was a no brainer.

-Gabe

Alright sounds good. Just let me know when you do finish it. I think ive decided and ill go with the Spec M.

m spec

Yes!

I bought my s14 sr i/c kit from an ebay store called CX-Racing. Buy it now for the complete kit was 195 shipped iirc. The welds look great and it had all of the silicon couplers and piping. I'd buy from them again.

Cool cool. Ill keep a look out but i think im going to go with the Greddy Spec M.

[nissanic89]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...QrdZ1

the shop i play around at , we all rock these eBay kits, there are nice kits no reason to spend the money on a name for a intercooler, they fit just fine and as long as its a bar and plate kit they look good too.-chris