Fitted H2O2 Injection for a J30

[Leuthesius]

I like to have a car that runs clean, powerful, and economical. Depending on your school of thought, you can't have all of those at once. I don't believe that to be true at all.

I constructed an H2O2 (Browns Gas) Fuel Cell for my 95 Altima, but never got around to actually installing it. It was huge, and just happened to fit in the engine compartment in front of the fuel filter, more or less sitting atop of the transmission housing.

The J30's do not have the luxury of excess space in the engine compartment for clear and obvious reasons. So, I'm curious to see if anybody else here has actually put serious thought into building an electrolysis system to fit inside the engine compartment of these babies. I've got ideas for how to do it, using multiple small cells and running it through the Air intake system. The issue is of course making it LOOK good, too. I don't want the engine compartment of my baby to look like some backyard mechanic redneck *cough cough* was able to get his hands on it and make it look like an 85 Bronco's engine compartment with all of its grossness.

I'm thinking a set of six small cylindrical cells per side constructed in an aluminum casing to not appear hickish, maybe 1.5" to 2" in diameter, each connected to a system of hoses leading to an arrestor, and from the arrestor to the air intake system. Anybody else thought about doing this?

[Defiant]

You'll get as much (if not more) effect from simple water injection. Hydrogen "generators" are best-used to wash hogs.

[Leuthesius]

um... water injection?

[fogged306]

As far as I've seen, I haven't seen anybody with great results with water injection. It does supress detonation allowing for a higher compression ratio with less octane, and/or more timing, but thats a lot of work to have a quick fix, for some more power. Especially when you add more timing and then run out of water to inject... then what?? potential damage.

[Leuthesius]

Yeah, I don't see water injection as a possibility. Everything I've seen on browns gas actually adds power, creates a more powerful, cleaner burn, and increases your fuel economy.

Someone go into this with me so we can have a "how to" thing for this. I really want to do this. I'm not a green nut or anything, but I am quite frugal.

[brandonjustice93J30]

I havent heard a lot about the H2o2 unit so I'm scratching my head here, Like what are it's claims to fame? I see where you said adds power, fuel economy, etc..but what are we looking at here to make it worth our time?what are we looking at as far as cost vs. benefit?

[yodawill2000]

Brandon

Give this a Looksie Very Interesting I must say.

http://water4gas.com/2books.htm

[brandonjustice93J30]

looks kinda gimicky and cheap to me with a canning jar under the hood...

I think Mythbusters did a special on these once including the magnets and they did absolutely nothing to enhance mpg nor performance.

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http://dsc.discovery.com/fansi....html

and h2o2 is just hydrogen peroxide...so in this case...if I pour peroxide into a canning jar and inject it into my intake...I should get the same results?

http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html

Modified by brandonjustice93J30 at 9:34 AM 3/13/2008
Modified by brandonjustice93J30 at 10:54 AM 3/13/2008

[gr8scott72]

looks kinda gimicky and cheap to me with a canning jar under the hood...

I agree. I'm out on that package. Looks like the tornado thing to me, lot of hype and no REAL proof.

Once again, if it was REALLY that good, don't you think EVERY car would already have one?

[brandonjustice93J30]

with the tubing and mason jars, I'd feel like I should be filling it with corn and running a straw to my seat and sipping while my wife drives....lol

[Leuthesius]

http://www.chechfi.ca/

This company's system is expensive, but for big rig truckers, there are testimonials, including a local company for me, that the "rent to own" not only paid for itself in fuel savings, but even put more money into the big-riggers' pockets.

The technology is simple. You run a current through water, you split the molecules into H2 and O2 gases.

Look up the HOO water torch. That's basically what you're doing in a less violent fashion when you inject it.

It runs into your air intake and boom.

[fogged306]

I like how the 10% guarantee on the fuel increase was a promotion that ended on june of 2007. I also don't believe those testamonials either, they could be, andprobably are for all we know, made up. There isn't a good in-dept description that I could find on that page either, just a vague one. I'm not sure I'm sold on the technology just yet. I'm going to look into it though because I'm all about squeezing every last MPG out of my cars, just like a lot of people are becoming with gas approching $4 a gallon and diesel already there in some places. But I doubt this is the answer.

Have you seen real world results with this system? either personally, or a first hand account from someone you know?

[gr8scott72]

I like how the 10% guarantee on the fuel increase was a promotion that ended on june of 2007. I also don't believe those testamonials either, they could be, andprobably are for all we know, made up. There isn't a good in-dept description that I could find on that page either, just a vague one. I'm not sure I'm sold on the technology just yet. I'm going to look into it though because I'm all about squeezing every last MPG out of my cars, just like a lot of people are becoming with gas approching $4 a gallon and diesel already there in some places. But I doubt this is the answer.

Have you seen real world results with this system? either personally, or a first hand account from someone you know?

I don't know if I would even believe results from someone I know first hand as anyone putting something on their car will drive differently trying to prove that it works. Even if that is subconsciously.

I'd have to see proof from someones car that it was installed on that DIDN'T know that it was installed that it worked before I would believe and even then.....

[gr8scott72]

Hydrogen "generators" are best-used to wash hogs.

This made me laugh!

[Leuthesius]

Uncle is a trucker, and spoke with the trucking company from Salina KS personally (can't recall their company name at the moment).

[yodawill2000]

Just a thought.Peeps thought electricity was a joke too.For a year or so.. lolInnocent until proven guilty.

L dude.Put the rig you made on your J .Temporarily.And report back

[gr8scott72]

Just a thought.Peeps thought electricity was a joke too.For a year or so.. lolInnocent until proven guilty.

L dude.Put the rig you made on your J .Temporarily.And report back

That's what I'm talking about. That wouldn't be an unbiased report. He's TRYING to get better mileage and he KNOWS the thing is in his car.

Yoda, you sneak one in on your wife's Caravan and report the mileage a few tanks down the road.

[Leuthesius]

That's the problem. I "built one", but I don't know exactly for sure if its even right, because I can't seem to find someone who is willing to help me build one properly without just buying theirs. That makes it sound gimicky, but the concept is pretty clear. :x

I'd like to have a conglomeration of minds put on this.