Looks like they hit the mark, wish I had a parking space for one

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a3 ... n-z-drive/

Looks great but C&D crapped all over it, which doesn't surprise me given Nissan's bosses, yet again, overpromise and under deliver all in the name of saving the dollars. Maybe this is because I've become a BMW fanboy over the last 8 years but if I were spending in the Mid 50s on a 2 door midlife crisis machine it would be the GR Supra not the Z at the top of my list. I was relaly hoping the Z would actually dig to its S-series roots and be all that a Z ought to, but for now I guess I'll just keep my Z32, thanks.

The supra is 10k + more than the Z, the list prices start in 40's that doesn't even get you into a dealership. I couldn't disagree with you more, while I too think Nissan lost its way they used the existing 370 bones but took a great engine that has a great history and is 400 ponies with a proper 6 speed that you can get out the door for under 50k, a Supra loaded is north of 60k, good luck getting one out the door for mid 50's.

What were you looking for?? The Supra is a BMW!

BadQ45t wrote: ↑

Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:17 pm

The supra is 10k + more than the Z, the list prices start in 40's that doesn't even get you into a dealership. I couldn't disagree with you more, while I too think Nissan lost its way they used the existing 370 bones but took a great engine that has a great history and is 400 ponies with a proper 6 speed that you can get out the door for under 50k, a Supra loaded is north of 60k, good luck getting one out the door for mid 50's.

What were you looking for?? The Supra is a BMW!

The supra 2.0 starts at $43.5 MSRP
The Z Base at $41.5 MSRP
$2k difference, both of which will have the sports car, supply chain issues, life in 2022/2023 tax. If you think the base Z will actually sell for MSRP in the current market you're dreaming. They will leave the lots at similar price points. In base trim, if you're going purely for HP #s then the Z is the better choice no doubt. The Supra is a better balanced vehicle, in 2.0 trim it is slower than the Z but produces better results on the skidpad. In higher spec guise the Supra dominates, that said the higher spec models are within a few thousand dollars of each other as well with the exception of the A91 which is spec'd well beyond anything Nissan is currently offering. The Supra is being offered with a 6 speed starting with the 2023 model year. So on paper, only the base Z is a better deal and only if you plan to drive it to work and to the grocery store. In higher trims the Supra gets more done with less HP.

The current offerings from Ford and Chevy dominate the new Z in a straight line and on a skidpad (even with the extra weight the two MoTown boys are carrying) with both of the bottom line V8s coming in at $44k. Compare the C&D results for Nissan, Toyota, Ford, and Chevy and the Z comes dead last in every category.

As for your comment about the Supra being a BMW. So what? I'm looking for a car that is competitive in the sports car class. If my limit was $45k (ish) I'd likely be looking at the Z but would let the test drive be the final determination (on paper the Z does win for DD duty).

Comparing the 2.0 liter isn't a real comparison at base level. As for a Camaro or other V8 American beast, I wouldn't think people would be cross-shopping that a whole lot unless the only thing you cared about was straight line performance. Hell in 1984 I cross only the Mazda RX-7 and Supra when I bought my 84' 300ZX, I never even touched a Camaro or Firebird, which BTW no way I would still own any of those.

I don't disagree about the dealers going over sticker but the Supra's are selling 5-9k over right now. I have a neighbor that has the banana yellow one and he paid 7k over sticker and so out the door he was close to 70k for the 6 cylinder. I think Nissan did a great job with this car, the same way Toyota cut corner by not even desiginng or building the Supra, not saying BMW doesn't build good cars but they ain't the Toyota reliablity standard, Nissan did some of the same using some 370z cross-over and Infiniti V6 engine.

I think this car will be a winner, I am keeping my 84 and didn't expect you would replace your Z32 either, let's face it these cars were spec'ed WAY more expensive. I paid $18.5 out the door for a NA GLL (Leather, Digital, T-Tops) in 1984 and when I looked at a Twin-Turbo in 1995 it was 60k, so in todays dollars that is about 60k for the 84 and crazy $116k for a 95' loaded ZX. Obviously they had to cut corners to get into this price range.

That's fair I guess. I cant wait to see one on the streets regardless. Aesthetically I think its going to be much more pleasing than the previous two, not that those were ugly, just not special IMO. The Supra though is just freaking beautiful unlike the Z4 on which its built which isn't bad but it doesn't evoke dirty thoughts like the Supra does. . .

So it looks like I'll be able to let you know just what I think of the Z. My cousin over the weekend informed me that he had put a deposit down on one.

Excellent, I look foward to butt in seat review. I saw a great youtuber that had both of the Supra and new Z out on a track, sorry cannot remember the channel. The guy was pretty good and showed the Supra was more refined but the Z wa more fun to toss around. I will be interested to see one out of the street. If I only had more parking at my house

For me, the body is the most important because it's the hardest to change. Sadly, it looks a little bloated (which is reflected in the 3,500 lb weight). It's a real shame because the design language is actually fine and with some minor changes in proportion it would make a great car.

5 minutes in paint, slimming the proportions a tiny bit:


I look forward to Nissan making a Z car that makes me want to replace my Z31, but I don't think that day will ever come.

That being said, for people looking for something in this price range, this does look like a good contender.

^ looks like what I feel it should have been which is a new age revival of the S30. Also looks quite a bit like the FT86 if you squint. . .

It got trounced in a review recently, forgot what site I saw that. But I bet the afternmarket will come up with updated parts to fix whatever they were bitching about. My guess is that you will see these selling out quickly and stealerships will be getting 5-9k markups and selling all inventory they get.

For the price I think this is solid and plenty will sell. The 4 car testing I saw it came in 4th but that was on a track. Let's face it how many of you track run your cars? Mine is 38 years and while I have been tempted to take some hot laps I have always found a reason not to do it. I think on the twisty roads around my house it would be plenty fun.

So the fun starts. My cousin just called me, asking for advice, asking if he should take the deal the dealer has offered him. Nissan Z, Proto Spec, Automatic. The dealer wants just shy of $40k OVER MSRP

are you saying the dealers wants to tack on a 40k markup??????????????

BadQ45t wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:35 pm

are you saying the dealers wants to tack on a 40k markup??????????????

That wouldn't surprise me in some markets. The latest from our lot manager is that 240 of them got off the boat in LA, and that will be it for awhile. We're getting exactly one, and it will be the only one in this area. When the supply is so miniscule, market forces are what they are.

BadQ45t wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 09, 2022 1:35 pm

are you saying the dealers wants to tack on a 40k markup??????????????

That is exactly what I'm saying. Being it's Proto spec and that it's likely the first one to hit the market in Houston. I am sure someone will pay it.

Wow that would be nuts for someone to spend that type of $$ for that car. For 80 grand I would get a C8 corvette.......

BadQ45t wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:28 pm

Wow that would be nuts for someone to spend that type of $$ for that car. For 80 grand I would get a C8 corvette.......

Funny you say that. He has deposits on 2 C8s as well as a Bronco. But alas, with 80k I'd be looking at AMG or M vehicles with 10k miles.

Not a bad idea but the AMG and M's are very spendy to keep on the road. I have a S-Class S550e and that is $$ but the AMG is really $$$$$. I could get a vette for invoice my family friend owns Bunnin Chevy but there is no place to move my old 84 300ZX and I just cannot part with it.

I'm aflicted with zee krautburners. We have 4 bimmers now and recently got rid of a w126. The only non german in the stable is my Z32. I know what it takes to keep them in good shape. But for the experience I'm willing to do it.

BadQ45t wrote: ↑

Tue Aug 09, 2022 5:35 pm

Not a bad idea but the AMG and M's are very spendy to keep on the road. I have a S-Class S550e and that is $$ but the AMG is really $$$$$. I could get a vette for invoice my family friend owns Bunnin Chevy but there is no place to move my old 84 300ZX and I just cannot part with it.

Not to mention the AMG engines have short lifespans.
Motorenzimmer seems to get engines in for mechanical fixed a around 100000 km which is only 62000 miles.
Pay one half(!) the money for 85% the performance and a long living engine. Thats what Nissan will give u compared to AMG

When I look in my manual I see all the "Except for AMG" and that makes me a litlle uneasy about owning one. I haven't ever driven one but the looks are great and the performanc stats are always nice. That said I have 439HP and 480 lbs of touque in my S500e with v6 power and electric drive