First real review

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First real review

Postby BadQ45t » Tue May 17, 2022 1:23 pm

Looks like they hit the mark, wish I had a parking space for one

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/a3 ... n-z-drive/


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Re: First real review

Postby NolimitZ32 » Mon Jun 20, 2022 2:07 pm

Looks great but C&D crapped all over it, which doesn't surprise me given Nissan's bosses, yet again, overpromise and under deliver all in the name of saving the dollars. Maybe this is because I've become a BMW fanboy over the last 8 years but if I were spending in the Mid 50s on a 2 door midlife crisis machine it would be the GR Supra not the Z at the top of my list. I was relaly hoping the Z would actually dig to its S-series roots and be all that a Z ought to, but for now I guess I'll just keep my Z32, thanks.

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Re: First real review

Postby BadQ45t » Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:17 pm

The supra is 10k + more than the Z, the list prices start in 40's that doesn't even get you into a dealership. I couldn't disagree with you more, while I too think Nissan lost its way they used the existing 370 bones but took a great engine that has a great history and is 400 ponies with a proper 6 speed that you can get out the door for under 50k, a Supra loaded is north of 60k, good luck getting one out the door for mid 50's.

What were you looking for?? The Supra is a BMW!

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Re: First real review

Postby NolimitZ32 » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:41 am

BadQ45t wrote:
Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:17 pm
The supra is 10k + more than the Z, the list prices start in 40's that doesn't even get you into a dealership. I couldn't disagree with you more, while I too think Nissan lost its way they used the existing 370 bones but took a great engine that has a great history and is 400 ponies with a proper 6 speed that you can get out the door for under 50k, a Supra loaded is north of 60k, good luck getting one out the door for mid 50's.

What were you looking for?? The Supra is a BMW!
The supra 2.0 starts at $43.5 MSRP
The Z Base at $41.5 MSRP
$2k difference, both of which will have the sports car, supply chain issues, life in 2022/2023 tax. If you think the base Z will actually sell for MSRP in the current market you're dreaming. They will leave the lots at similar price points. In base trim, if you're going purely for HP #s then the Z is the better choice no doubt. The Supra is a better balanced vehicle, in 2.0 trim it is slower than the Z but produces better results on the skidpad. In higher spec guise the Supra dominates, that said the higher spec models are within a few thousand dollars of each other as well with the exception of the A91 which is spec'd well beyond anything Nissan is currently offering. The Supra is being offered with a 6 speed starting with the 2023 model year. So on paper, only the base Z is a better deal and only if you plan to drive it to work and to the grocery store. In higher trims the Supra gets more done with less HP.

The current offerings from Ford and Chevy dominate the new Z in a straight line and on a skidpad (even with the extra weight the two MoTown boys are carrying) with both of the bottom line V8s coming in at $44k. Compare the C&D results for Nissan, Toyota, Ford, and Chevy and the Z comes dead last in every category.

As for your comment about the Supra being a BMW. So what? I'm looking for a car that is competitive in the sports car class. If my limit was $45k (ish) I'd likely be looking at the Z but would let the test drive be the final determination (on paper the Z does win for DD duty).

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Re: First real review

Postby BadQ45t » Tue Jun 21, 2022 10:52 am

Comparing the 2.0 liter isn't a real comparison at base level. As for a Camaro or other V8 American beast, I wouldn't think people would be cross-shopping that a whole lot unless the only thing you cared about was straight line performance. Hell in 1984 I cross only the Mazda RX-7 and Supra when I bought my 84' 300ZX, I never even touched a Camaro or Firebird, which BTW no way I would still own any of those.

I don't disagree about the dealers going over sticker but the Supra's are selling 5-9k over right now. I have a neighbor that has the banana yellow one and he paid 7k over sticker and so out the door he was close to 70k for the 6 cylinder. I think Nissan did a great job with this car, the same way Toyota cut corner by not even desiginng or building the Supra, not saying BMW doesn't build good cars but they ain't the Toyota reliablity standard, Nissan did some of the same using some 370z cross-over and Infiniti V6 engine.

I think this car will be a winner, I am keeping my 84 and didn't expect you would replace your Z32 either, let's face it these cars were spec'ed WAY more expensive. I paid $18.5 out the door for a NA GLL (Leather, Digital, T-Tops) in 1984 and when I looked at a Twin-Turbo in 1995 it was 60k, so in todays dollars that is about 60k for the 84 and crazy $116k for a 95' loaded ZX. Obviously they had to cut corners to get into this price range.

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Re: First real review

Postby NolimitZ32 » Tue Jun 28, 2022 7:25 am

That's fair I guess. I cant wait to see one on the streets regardless. Aesthetically I think its going to be much more pleasing than the previous two, not that those were ugly, just not special IMO. The Supra though is just freaking beautiful unlike the Z4 on which its built which isn't bad but it doesn't evoke dirty thoughts like the Supra does. . .

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Re: First real review

Postby NolimitZ32 » Tue Jul 05, 2022 10:20 am

So it looks like I'll be able to let you know just what I think of the Z. My cousin over the weekend informed me that he had put a deposit down on one.


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