BadQ45t wrote: ↑
Mon Jun 20, 2022 3:17 pm
The supra is 10k + more than the Z, the list prices start in 40's that doesn't even get you into a dealership. I couldn't disagree with you more, while I too think Nissan lost its way they used the existing 370 bones but took a great engine that has a great history and is 400 ponies with a proper 6 speed that you can get out the door for under 50k, a Supra loaded is north of 60k, good luck getting one out the door for mid 50's.
What were you looking for?? The Supra is a BMW!
The supra 2.0 starts at $43.5 MSRP
The Z Base at $41.5 MSRP
$2k difference, both of which will have the sports car, supply chain issues, life in 2022/2023 tax. If you think the base Z will actually sell for MSRP in the current market you're dreaming. They will leave the lots at similar price points. In base trim, if you're going purely for HP #s then the Z is the better choice no doubt. The Supra is a better balanced vehicle, in 2.0 trim it is slower than the Z but produces better results on the skidpad. In higher spec guise the Supra dominates, that said the higher spec models are within a few thousand dollars of each other as well with the exception of the A91 which is spec'd well beyond anything Nissan is currently offering. The Supra is being offered with a 6 speed starting with the 2023 model year. So on paper, only the base Z is a better deal and only if you plan to drive it to work and to the grocery store. In higher trims the Supra gets more done with less HP.
The current offerings from Ford and Chevy dominate the new Z in a straight line and on a skidpad (even with the extra weight the two MoTown boys are carrying) with both of the bottom line V8s coming in at $44k. Compare the C&D results for Nissan, Toyota, Ford, and Chevy and the Z comes dead last in every category.
As for your comment about the Supra being a BMW. So what? I'm looking for a car that is competitive in the sports car class. If my limit was $45k (ish) I'd likely be looking at the Z but would let the test drive be the final determination (on paper the Z does win for DD duty).