First bottle of BG44K

Post by **Bayarea Q** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

I was thinking about adding the can to about 3/4 tank.I have a 95Q which has a 22.5 gallon tank. I would bet most cars only have a 16 gallon tank. Therefore the BG44k would be less of a concentrate due to the fact that I have a bigger gas tank. What do you guys think? All advice appreciated.

Robert

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

You are exactly correct.

To incease concentrations you can add it to less even than 3/4.

Fred...:thumbup

Post by **Bayarea Q** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Fred,

How full do you prefer you tank to be prior to adding the BG44k? @ 3/4 tank, do you think I should worry about any knocking? Should I keep the RPM's low?

On another note.....I'm really interested in your new car, can't wait to read your report. Did you get that bad boy checked out?

Post by **Aus94Q45** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

I dumped in my last can at a half tank -- no problems at any rpm or knocks.

Post by **Q45tech** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

The only thing is BG44k should not be added to an empty tank as some strange things can occur.

22.5 gallons is 2880 ounces so 11 ounces is 0.382% so even 10 times would be on the ragged edge of OK...........at least 3 gallons in tank....2.86% BG44k.If upto 10% Ethanol doesn't harm things or 10% MTBE......0.4% of detergents won't!

The product [detergents/xylene, toluene] takes time to work so you don't want to run thru it in an hour.

We have an internal rule if the tank has less than a 1/4 we ask the customer to fill up ASAP upon leaving.

Don't think of it as magic just something to keep clean injectors clean between oil changes.

Post by **Aus94Q45** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

xylene and toluene are available at the hardware store. Cheap as paint thinner. Anyone out there brewing their own?

Post by **AZhitman** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

search for those 2 words - there's a great thread by Dennis on this very topic.

Post by **Aus94Q45** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Thanks Hitman! BTW Sandra lives in Austin . . . .

Post by **gdude45** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

I'm interested in running this cleaner thru my J30. Only problem is that I can't source it in Canada. Any opinions on what is the next best? thanx.

Post by **DAEDALUS** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Aus94Q45 wrote:xylene and toluene are available at the hardware store. Cheap as paint thinner. Anyone out there brewing their own?

I got some toluene from the local Sherwin Williams. It was a nice kick in the pants, just a bit too expensive to use very often. 5 gallon drum was about $35 and that was the jobber price. I think toluene is 117 octane, so you need to work the ratios to get the octane you want, while guessing at how much gas you have in the tank at the time. I think I only went up to about 95 octane in the mix, or maybe 97.

Post by **Aus94Q45** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Toluene is used as a solvant. It will cut just about any sticky petroluem based substance. At $35 for 5 gallons that is a lot of little BG44 cans. Not that it is the only content, however, that is one of the main "cleaners".

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

gdude45 wrote:I'm interested in running this cleaner thru my J30. Only problem is that I can't source it in Canada. Any opinions on what is the next best? thanx.

We finally have a link on our homepage with a source for BG44k.

Fred...

Post by **AZhitman** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Aus94Q45 wrote:Thanks Hitman! BTW Sandra lives in Austin . . . .

Aw, man - That's not far from Phoenix AT ALL!!! Someone should probably tell her to go ahead and start on the restraining order... I'd love to have an autographed pic for my office.

Post by **sultan** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

DAEDALUS wrote: I think toluene is 117 octane, so you need to work the ratios to get the octane you want, while guessing at how much gas you have in the tank at the time.

i believe toluene is 114 and xylene is 117 octane. it seems that to get a full tank of 94 octane from 92 + toluene you would have to put 2.25 gallons of toluene. seems kind of expensive to run all the time.

Post by **Aus94Q45** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Its not the octane boost but the cleaning properties. If an 11 oz. can of BG44 can clean injectors, and toluene and xylene are the main solvants, could you use a mix of toluene and xylene to do the trick? Assuming you can buy them for $35 per five gallons, an 11 oz. treatment would be about 60 cents! That is a lot less than $17 for the BG44. (128 oz. per gallon x 5 gal./ 11 oz. = 58 eleven ounce treatments. $35/58=.60). So are the detergents in BG44 worth $16? What is the content mixture in the 11 oz of toluene, xylene and detergents? Toluene and xylene are pretty tough solvants in their own right. It is hard to imagine that adding anything to them would significantly increase the degreasing properties.

Hitman: if I ever get an autographed pic I will try to get two. You do see her from time to time out and about. Less frequently than a few years back.

Post by **sultan** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

formula for octane booster with cleaning agent, taken from http://www.gnttype.org

Quote »How to make your own octane booster (this is the basic formula of one of the popular octane booster products). To make eight 16 ounce bottles (128 oz = 1 gal):

100 oz of toulene for octane boost25 oz of mineral spirits (cleaning agent)3 oz of transmission fluid (lubricating agent)

This product is advertised as "octane booster with cleaning agent *and* lubricating agent!". Diesel fuel or kerosene can be substituted for mineral spirits and light turbine oil can be substituted for transmission fluid. Color can be added with petroleum dyes. [/quote]

Post by **natsoundup** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

but are you willing to mix the concoction together....and put it in your Q engine...?

I would do it if some of our heavyweights would weigh in and approve of a homemade brew....

Maybe with BG 44k you are paying 16 dollars for peace of mind and two dollars for the mixture.... just a thought

Post by **Aus94Q45** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

I suspect that xylene and toluene are 98% of the BG44 brew. Obviously you can run some level of these through with no adverse effect. But I am no scientist, so I remain in the dark.

Post by **paintwgn** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

What is the percentage breakdown on the toluene/xylene mixture for fuel injector cleaner? Since both are excellent solvents do they have to be combined or would either one alone do the job? What would be the maximum amount that could be added to a tank of gas?

Post by **texasoil** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

In anearlier message, a mixture of toluene, mineral spirits and oil was mentioned. The mineral spirits has an octane of about 35, and th eoil less than that. The mixture will have an octane of 90 max.

Also please realize a major part of the BG 44 performance is due to the very expensive detergent in it, not the toluene and xylense they are to carry the detergent and keep chunkc of gum/varnish that flake loose from clogging things up. Just toluene and xylenes will dissolve gums, but not the real crud on the injector nozzle.

Post by **j30t** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

How often to you need to put a can of this stuff in? once each tank or just once and a while? Any performance gain from it?

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Once every 3 months is plenty.Performance gains yes a bit by keeping things working cleanly and properly.

Fred...

Post by **paintwgn** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Bought a gallon each of toluene and xylene at the local paint store. Put 20 oz of 50/50 mixture in the tank(approx. 11-12 gallons) yesterday. Can't tell much yet but then it ran well already. Looked at the labels on many of the fuel system additives at Pep Boys. Toluene and Zylene are on some of of them and petroleum distillates on the rest. Sounds like toluene and xylene!

91Q 108,000 mi.

Post by **Q45tech** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

Where you gonna get the proprietary detergents......the xylene/toluene is just the burnable carrier for the most important part!

http://www.epa.gov/otaq/regs/f...a.htmh ... /si1ti.htm

Even Redline says their cleaner takes 2,000 miles of use [5 treatments] to cleanup 5,000 miles of dirt [on valve stems].Obviously premium grades of gasoline contain a little more detergent than regular so the problem [level of dirt] won't be so bad!

Post by **Aus94Q45** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

I did some research on Gooogle. Looks like toluene and xylene are the basis for most injection cleaners and octane boosters. However, each formulation has its "secret detergents and additives". Both will easily clean very heavy grease and grime. You can try it on exterior engine gunk. Couple of other items: 1. Both raise the octane level, so do not use too much as an additive, as reports indicate that it can mess up the O2 sensor and readings with a hotter burn rate; 2. Both are limited in use in fuels, they pollute air, eat ozone and kill fish in ground water. Be careful with this stuff -- including the prepackaged additives.

Post by **Q45tech** » Wed Feb 12, 2003 10:05 am

After years of chemical abuse [gasoline] the rubber fuel hoses start breaking down [flaking off] from the inside! Good idea to change all the hoses every 6 years........think there are 6 [before filter, after filter, return and under plenum].

Always use oem hose [not chain store] as most don't meet high pressure/high temp spec.......expensive $4 per foot

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