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Sucksss.
We I have 4 exams this week, and then finals the week after. Just looked at the study guide for second semester calculus, and I don't recall a large part of it. It's stupid that I pay so much money in tuition, and because of my professor, I'm getting a lesser education that the students next door.
Gotta study for these exams, AND finals next week, wtf.
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meh, you'll get over it in less than 2 weeks. good luck.

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hey Im right there with you. My physics teacher is a serious pos that cant explain ish, now I have to retake it. He puts questions on the exams that we HAVE NEVER WENT OVER. On top of that the exams are only like 5 questions, so if I get one completely wrong, the grade falls quickly. God he pisses me off!

I get to have 2 pages of notes for my (1st semester) calc class. 2 pages!! I know I better not fail it. Calc is hard tho, I dont know if I want the next level. Its hard to remember all the formulas and trig identities

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5 questions is a lot for a science/engineering exam...

Did you do all the reading alms?

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ok so we had practice exam questions on mon and today. The concepts are ok its just what hes asking for makes no sense or is super complicated. The questions were extra hard like wtf is your problem, seriously. Overly complicated math, and using equations we never learned. I hate this guy. And when we went over it he got 2 of them completely wrong (out of 5). I mean he stood there looking at it like why didnt you do this before class or as you were making it, and go from your notes to the board. I also hate the way he estimates or rounds every number you know, 1.2cm is not 2.9 cm, 80,000 volts is not 125,000 volts, etc. ahh its close enough he always says.

Guess Im taking it again in the Fall

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Alms, that sucks. My engineering profs did some similar things. But it was because they wanted to see how we used concepts learned in class to tackle more difficult questions. He knew the test was nearly impossible. But he didn't want to just see us replicate homework problems. I think one of the tests had a class average of 45% with a high of something like 72%. Obviously, the class was graded on a curve. The worst part was simply the wicked feeling of failure upon leaving the exam even if you may have gotten an A.

Anyway, good luck!

The last final I ever took I drank during. I brought booze to the class to start drinking with about 45 minutes left so I could be drunk as soon as possible afterwards. I was completely wasted about 2 hours after the exam. At 11 AM...

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Yeah we had a practice exam right now, and it had 3 problems on it. One little mistake screws up the whole exam, pisses me off. AND the questions, as you said, haven't even been over before the class. Blahh. I took a look at the final study guide because its a common file, and I don't recognize half the stuff on there. sjdfadf. Bah, Humbug. 3 weeks and all will be over. Can't wait.
The math department at the university is strict also, so it's not like the professor will curve the grades if the whole class does bad. It's some stupid stuff, I'm paying all this money to get a crappy person who 'teaches'.
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Allen, sorry to thread-jack there. Good luck to you as well. Calc is complex and I had a rough time in my class as well. My prof had an insanely thick accent and I couldn't understand a good deal of it. Hammer through it and get it over with. We'll see you on the other side.

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Good luck on your exams! I have 7, joy!

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AppleBonker wrote:Alms, that sucks. My engineering profs did some similar things. But it was because they wanted to see how we used concepts learned in class to tackle more difficult questions. He knew the test was nearly impossible. But he didn't want to just see us replicate homework problems. I think one of the tests had a class average of 45% with a high of something like 72%. Obviously, the class was graded on a curve. The worst part was simply the wicked feeling of failure upon leaving the exam even if you may have gotten an A.
Right, I was ganna say that and I can see thats what he is trying to do. But really, when he solves some stuff on the board Im like WTF did that come from! He sometimes doesnt even know himself, wrong answers, wrong notes, and questions that dont give you enough info to solve. No curve either. Atleast my last teacher talked about how and when we use a formula. She would give us 15-25 questions per test and I ended up with a B in that class. Good teacher, I shoulda just stayed with her.

I would rather have 20 medium difficulty questions that 5 hard as f*** questions anyday.

as for Math, I think I have a really great teacher. Im just not that good at it. Sigh, sad truth.
AppleBonker wrote:The last final I ever took I drank during. I brought booze to the class to start drinking with about 45 minutes left so I could be drunk as soon as possible afterwards. I was completely wasted about 2 hours after the exam. At 11 AM...
That a :mike right there! That way you can start crying before you even get home lol

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I don't see how anyone can complain about school. All I ever get for my trouble anymore is money and bills. Learning something new, interesting and of consequence almost never happens, nor do I get a grade showing me how well I did something. If any feeling can come of it, it's all purely about self-satisfaction now... and that isn't what pay bills or impresses bosses.

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"14 more days. It's only 14 more days..." Can't wait. My last final will be complete, Andy (Ozzie)will be here, and we will be leaving for Carlisle the next morning. Just gotta get through a couple more papers, 2 exams, and a practical. I'm not complaining though. You guys have a much tougher schedule than I do. Good luck!

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alms24sebring wrote:
AppleBonker wrote:The last final I ever took I drank during. I brought booze to the class to start drinking with about 45 minutes left so I could be drunk as soon as possible afterwards. I was completely wasted about 2 hours after the exam. At 11 AM...
That a :mike right there! That way you can start crying before you even get home lol
Not so awesome when I woke up puking at about noon. I woke up a lot of people when I was walking around yelling and they were sleeping in before their tests.

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Dattebayo wrote:I don't see how anyone can complain about school. All I ever get for my trouble anymore is money and bills. Learning something new, interesting and of consequence almost never happens, nor do I get a grade showing me how well I did something. If any feeling can come of it, it's all purely about self-satisfaction now... and that isn't what pay bills or impresses bosses.
BTW, all I mean from this is:

Enjoy your time in school. It is better than you think it is.

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alms24sebring wrote:hey Im right there with you. My physics teacher is a serious pos that cant explain ish, now I have to retake it. He puts questions on the exams that we HAVE NEVER WENT OVER. On top of that the exams are only like 5 questions, so if I get one completely wrong, the grade falls quickly. God he pisses me off!
Its not uncommon to see question on an exam that wasn't explicitly covered in lecture. Typically, these types of questions are derived from lecture topics and force students to really study to understand and apply concepts. You really can't expect to see plug and chug problems for the rest of your school days.
alms24sebring wrote:Right, I was ganna say that and I can see thats what he is trying to do. But really, when he solves some stuff on the board Im like WTF did that come from! He sometimes doesnt even know himself, wrong answers, wrong notes, and questions that dont give you enough info to solve. No curve either. Atleast my last teacher talked about how and when we use a formula. She would give us 15-25 questions per test and I ended up with a B in that class. Good teacher, I shoulda just stayed with her.
Getting a crappy teacher can suck, but understand that at the end of the day, you are gonna be responsible for learning the material. This means that would have to rely on your own abilities to learn and your resourcefulness of finding other sources of learning. Office hours, tutoring, and group study sessions are common methods many students use. Some even go through the trouble of reading textbooks that aren't the books required for the course. I know I've looked through a few online to help me understand concepts that weren't clear in my class texts. A huge reality is that if you are seeing a career where your GPA matters, no potential employer is going to care about the excuses you have for getting a poor grade in a class. Nor are they going to provide you with a teacher to teach you new concepts while you are working for them. You are going to be expected to learn these new concepts mostly on your own. The people who are going to be most valuable to them are those that can learn on their own quite well.
alms24sebring wrote:I would rather have 20 medium difficulty questions that 5 hard as f*** questions anyday.
Wouldn't we all. But that's not reality so get used to it. If/when you get into more technical subjects (engineering for example) they have to try and test you on your ability to solve a complex problem. A bunch of smaller questions does not test one's ability to handle the entirety of a problem (applying multiple concepts simultaneously).

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Sorry to hear about all of the exams y'all have to take.

I don't have any exams, just one labor negotiation presentation to do and I'm done.

Business Major FTW!
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Right and I totally understand that his job is to teach. My GPA does matter to me and I have been to study groups and all. I actually like some of the hard questions too and short answers to think about. I wouldnt really ask for plug and chug questions all the time either tho because yes thats too easy. But alllll of them are are like wth. Cmon give us something here instead of extra credit questions. Also 4 or 5 questions is not enough to cover it all IMO. Ive taken 15-20 hard question tests and was happier with that. Atleast everything was covered and Im not spending hours on one thing that has a 20% chance at best on the test, and its not on it.

A good teacher doesnt mean giving out gravy all the time (although that's great to have in a subject that I really suck at ie.History). It is someone who understands what they are doing and showing us how to do work in a way that is easy for rookies. Not just saying here here and here, work with it. And then later go oh by the way you can do this like this, or hey this is the short version, shoulda mentioned that. Yeah! You should have!

Oh and sorry that earlier I probly sounded like a stick was up there. It just pisses me off because he's like "its not hard all", and totally serious about it. Some things at home were not exactly making me jolly either.

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Thanks goodness for sites like
www.khanacademy.org
patrickJMT.com
Wolframalpha.com
Amazing help for math. Teach way better than my teachers.

As far as the teacher teaching you. Yes, it is their job to teach, and my responsibility to learn. But when the class next door is getting a better education than I am because their professors is a better teacher, something is wrong. I pay tuition for them to teach me, not to go home, take time out of my busy schedule, and LEARN the stuff from various online sites/help. I work almost full time to pay for school and did just fine last semester during calculus. But this semester, with calculus two taught by a crap teacher, I have to take more time out to learn the material he should have taught us.

As far as exams go, I don't think something should be on the exam that should challenge me. I think that's what homework is for. I understand the concept of challenging me on an exam, but when I only have 50minutes for a full exam, its kind of bs to throw something on there I've never seen.
I have an amazing teacher for Organic Chemistry, and he is extremely hard. His tests are hard, but he teaches us and prepares us for them. He teaches at a higher level Ochem than the other professors, but does it so well that it's okay. I love going to that class because of how good he is at teaching the material, which is why I am taking the second semester class during summer with him.

Dattebayo,
I see where you're coming from, but still, it's hard to enjoy school with such pressures coming down on us. It's so stressful because I need good grades to go to graduate school and get a good job in biochemistry. When I leave ochem, I'm happy. When I leave calculus, I'm frustrated that I have to go home to re-learn what should have been taught to me.
I see how in the future, there will be no more homework, just bosses and bills. But this is now and that is then.

I suppose I'll stand by my cliche, It is what it is. And just truck through it, looking forward to the summer.
Cheers,
Allen


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