Feeler: WTB Nistune

[Nategreat923]

Yo dudes, coming up on finishing my project and am preparing to buy a nistune. Let me know the price so I can see what I need to save up.

[louiswun]

http://www.nistune.com/ordering-form.php

[Izento]

http://www.autovaughnperformance.com/in ... &Itemid=73

Autovaughn is a better option, as they are located within the states.

[Nategreat923]

Thanks, I already know about autovaughn, I'm just seeing if someone has one they want to sell off an old project

[MeanGreenS13]

I personally went Nistune on my old CAS13... No one could tune it, and it was more stress than it was worth in my eyes... Just my .02... BoostBoy aka Dee has had GREAT success using the SDS systems...

ca18det-and-engine-management-systems-t167196.html Read through this thread before you jump on a Nistune... that's the best advice I can personally give you.

[Nategreat923]

I appreciate that, but I have a great tuner that does nistune near me

[MeanGreenS13]

I appreciate that, but I have a great tuner that does nistune near me

If he can do nistune RIGHT, that's awesome!

I found someone who said they could do nistune also... I ended up with a blown up engine at the end of the whole ordeal. I wish you luck.

[Nategreat923]

Bob does incredible work. Www.driftoffice.com

Considering my friends have been tuned by him, and bouncing rev limiter for the last 4 years without a hiccup, Id say he does incredible work.

[Buddyworm]

I appreciate that, but I have a great tuner that does nistune near me

If he can do nistune RIGHT, that's awesome!

I found someone who said they could do nistune also... I ended up with a blown up engine at the end of the whole ordeal. I wish you luck.

A tuner who can blow an engine with Nistune can blow an engine with anything else. Too much ignition advance will ping regardless of which computer is in charge.

[Izento]

Bob does incredible work. http://Www.driftoffice.com

I have heard great things about his tunes too. I'm at a cross between UP or Drift Office finishing up my tune. Although I am using Power FC.

[Nategreat923]

Did you buy Erik's? PFC I'd go to Doug, just because Erich's lasted f***

[Nategreat923]

Forfrickingever*

[Izento]

Nah, actually I got a S14a PFC and took it to Erik to get it rewired to fit CA. I would suggest you do the same if you can stretch your budget a little more to get PFC instead of Nistune. A lot cheaper and easier to find a S14a PFC than a CA18 one.

[Nategreat923]

If I'm going to spend close to $800 for tuning, I'd just go with AEm EMS

[MeanGreenS13]

I am well aware of this... I don't need to be educated, this wasn't my first rodeo lol I can laugh about it now but at the time it royally sucked... Ended up selling the car out of frustration, guy rebuilt the engine and promptly blew it again himself.

We didn't play with ignition timing (as instructed by Dee) because CA's don't like a lot of timing. We were simply trying to tune it for a safe level...I just don't ever want to see that happen to anyone else. I can honestly say I SHOULD HAVE LISTENED TO DEE!

[MeanGreenS13]

Bob does incredible work. http://Www.driftoffice.com

Considering my friends have been tuned by him, and bouncing rev limiter for the last 4 years without a hiccup, Id say he does incredible work.

I have friends that were tuned by the same place I was with no issues either... On different systems

I suggest asking him if he has in fact successfully tuned nistune before. I am not trying to sway you away, I am trying to make sure you are aware of past issues with nistune. I am not the only one who has had problems with the nistune system in the past.

[Buddyworm]

I am well aware of this... I don't need to be educated, this wasn't my first rodeo lol I can laugh about it now but at the time it royally sucked... Ended up selling the car out of frustration, guy rebuilt the engine and promptly blew it again himself.

Not trying to be confrontational but, all due respect, I can't make sense of your reasoning. The factory ECU has been running these engines flawlessly for over 20 years. What about the addition of the Nistune daughterboard makes it now more prone popping engines?

And blowing an engine without even touching the timing maps? Impressive. How many PSI on what turbo? Were you tuning AFR's without a wideband or what?? Where was your base timing set at??? Where did it let go? Headgasket or bottom end?

[MeanGreenS13]

I am well aware of this... I don't need to be educated, this wasn't my first rodeo lol I can laugh about it now but at the time it royally sucked... Ended up selling the car out of frustration, guy rebuilt the engine and promptly blew it again himself.

Not trying to be confrontational but, all due respect, I can't make sense of your reasoning. The factory ECU has been running these engines flawlessly for over 20 years. What about the addition of the Nistune daughterboard makes it now more prone popping engines?

And blowing an engine without even touching the timing maps? Impressive. How many PSI on what turbo? Were you tuning AFR's without a wideband or what?? Where was your base timing set at??? Where did it let go? Headgasket or bottom end?

Have you ever played with the software for NISTUNE? I don't know how it is now, but the original software with the original nistune build that I had was NOT easy... A buddy of mine that use to work at CFT couldn't even figure some of it out when we were street tuning it. That's why we stopped and took it to the "pros"

I never said there was ANYTHING wrong with nistune as a whole. I'm just saying he needs to make sure that person has experience with it. The old software at least was not easy to work with.

And, If you must know, we were running 15psi on an SC61 and 750cc injectors... Should have had NO issues at all, but there was either a lean spot or a very rich spot in the tune that caused the issue. Blew the rings right out of cyl 1 and 3 and a hole in piston #3. The kicker was it happened at part throttle.

[MeanGreenS13]

I just looked over the current software. It seems they have updated quite a few things that I remember being issues when I was working with it originally. I haven't played with a nissan myself in the better part of about 3 years now so hopefully it's less painful for you than it was me haha

[Buddyworm]

Have you ever played with the software for NISTUNE? I don't know how it is now, but the original software with the original nistune build that I had was NOT easy... A buddy of mine that use to work at CFT couldn't even figure some of it out when we were street tuning it. That's why we stopped and took it to the "pros"

I never said there was ANYTHING wrong with nistune as a whole. I'm just saying he needs to make sure that person has experience with it. The old software at least was not easy to work with.

And, If you must know, we were running 15psi on an SC61 and 750cc injectors... Should have had NO issues at all, but there was either a lean spot or a very rich spot in the tune that caused the issue. Blew the rings right out of cyl 1 and 3 and a hole in piston #3. The kicker was it happened at part throttle.

I'm very familiar with Nistune. I've got a few tunes under my belt with this package. Couple basic SR's and some really quick CA's. My own setup I daily a TD06-17C at 1Bar. Besides some worn rings towards the end my engine served me reliably for 3 seasons getting flogged at drift events weekly before it finally let go last October after a friend missed an upshift to 3rd at full bore and smashed into the rev limiter. Went catastrophically lean and vaporized the upper piston ring and cracked a ringland. The fresh build is currently on breakin with CP pistons added to the mix.

That said, I get what you're saying about the Nistune user interface and I agree that one should make sure one's tuner knows what they're doing, but with all tuning software.

s*** deal melting a hole through your pistons like that. I'd like to hear more about what you observed when it happened.

[MeanGreenS13]

Send me a PM, no use clogging this thread up anymore on poor Nate lol

[louiswun]

I'm a nistune distributor / board installer and a licenced tuner in Hong Kong.
All I can say is....most of the non nistune tuner is not fully understand what's inside nistune software.
The one who know nistune well, who usually know how to modify the stock rom, I mean the very old method, by using rom reader to extract the rom file and make adjustment to suit the new engine setup, it require the rom tuning knowledge to get the job done perfect.
Actually, the nistune software is only an interface to show the stock rom file, if you do not know how to rom tuning, you will have hard time to tune it to perfect.
Honestly, it is quite tricky to get the tune perfect, I have done RB20, RB25, RB26, SR20 and CA18, dealing with these aged engines, a small trouble will stuck you in the middle of no where, the one who do it good must have to know these engines well, must have to know what cause trouble and must have to know how to fix those trouble.
Especially on CA18 ecu, there is a lean spot while ecu switching from sequential injection to batch injection, you must have to know how to deal with this.
A good nistune tuner can adapt with any brand stand alone ecu in very short time, but a non nistune tuner might not easy to adapt nistune, a stock ecu is far more complicated than most aftermarket stand alone ecu.

[louiswun]

A tuner who can blow an engine with Nistune can blow an engine with anything else. Too much ignition advance will ping regardless of which computer is in charge.

I totally agree with Buddyworm

[Buddyworm]

I'm a nistune distributor / board installer and a licenced tuner in Hong Kong.
All I can say is....most of the non nistune tuner is not fully understand what's inside nistune software.
The one who know nistune well, who usually know how to modify the stock rom, I mean the very old method, by using rom reader to extract the rom file and make adjustment to suit the new engine setup, it require the rom tuning knowledge to get the job done perfect.
Actually, the nistune software is only an interface to show the stock rom file, if you do not know how to rom tuning, you will have hard time to tune it to perfect.
Honestly, it is quite tricky to get the tune perfect, I have done RB20, RB25, RB26, SR20 and CA18, dealing with these aged engines, a small trouble will stuck you in the middle of no where, the one who do it good must have to know these engines well, must have to know what cause trouble and must have to know how to fix those trouble.
Especially on CA18 ecu, there is a lean spot while ecu switching from sequential injection to batch injection, you must have to know how to deal with this.
A good nistune tuner can adapt with any brand stand alone ecu in very short time, but a non nistune tuner might not easy to adapt nistune, a stock ecu is far more complicated than most aftermarket stand alone ecu.

This is probably a fairly accurate representation. Once you understand the basics of what tables the ECU accesses under what conditions it becomes pretty straightforward. I've also played with an AEM EMS though. THAT had a lot of parameters to fill in...

[MeanGreenS13]

I'm a nistune distributor / board installer and a licenced tuner in Hong Kong.
All I can say is....most of the non nistune tuner is not fully understand what's inside nistune software.
The one who know nistune well, who usually know how to modify the stock rom, I mean the very old method, by using rom reader to extract the rom file and make adjustment to suit the new engine setup, it require the rom tuning knowledge to get the job done perfect.
Actually, the nistune software is only an interface to show the stock rom file, if you do not know how to rom tuning, you will have hard time to tune it to perfect.
Honestly, it is quite tricky to get the tune perfect, I have done RB20, RB25, RB26, SR20 and CA18, dealing with these aged engines, a small trouble will stuck you in the middle of no where, the one who do it good must have to know these engines well, must have to know what cause trouble and must have to know how to fix those trouble.
Especially on CA18 ecu, there is a lean spot while ecu switching from sequential injection to batch injection, you must have to know how to deal with this.
A good nistune tuner can adapt with any brand stand alone ecu in very short time, but a non nistune tuner might not easy to adapt nistune, a stock ecu is far more complicated than most aftermarket stand alone ecu.

This is excellent information to share and glad finally someone took the time to say this stuff.

[MeanGreenS13]

Buddyworm, your pm's are turned off. I can not respond to your message.

[Buddyworm]

Turned my PM's on hehe...

[Nategreat923]

Bump.

[MeanGreenS13]

What are you bumping?

[Nategreat923]

My wtb thread looking for a used type 1 nistune board?