fastest rb powered 240

[MoeStooge]

i was talking to my friends and they are domestic guys thinkin that all import suck ***. well i want to prove to them that imports can be just as fast down the 1/4 mile than a domestic. what are some of the fastest imports around world wide. im not talking about 4000hp drag cars but pretty much street legal

titan motorsports has an 8 sec supra running on gas and street tires that hit single digits, with slicks they nailed 8s recently, this car has interior too.

the jun auto silvia ran 8s in '98 with some interior, and I beleive it was also running on gas.

tell your punk *** friends that like to talk out of their *** that when they run single digits in their fag *** cars with drag radials and gasoline, WITH the stock dash and most interior peices, that they can talk ****. Or better yet, tell them to do it with a manual transmission like the TMS car did, most of those p****** drive autos and dont even know how to drive manuals.

[MoeStooge]

Try and compile a list as great as this one: http://www.gnttype.org/members/times.html ... and those are just buicks. To be honest if you want the cheapest and fastest 1/4m car, get a domestic. For anything else get a Import.

i was makign a point about semi-street cars. i highly doubt the majority of the cars below 10s are even running gas, or have interior. I don't know about the JUN car, but the TMS supra did a 9 sec pass (more than 1) without nitrous too. Also, how many of those stupid *** buicks are running those times on drag radials? My point exactly.

[MoeStooge]

Stupid buicks? You don't know anything about Grand Nationals do you? Do some research before you gerneralize.:rolleyes

i know about them, so dont run your mouth like you know more than me, ill make you look like a dip****. i cant stand muscle cars (like grand nationals). Theyre fast as ****, but that's not all I base a car on.

[themadscientist]

ATS, chill out. I hold the record for zero to deleted post, so keep it cordial. Discord is fine, debate enlightening but you are wearing out my astericks.

[sil80drifter]

I don't wanna budge in, but we ARE talking about speed here ATS, and it IS true that it is much cheaper to make a domestic run below 10s. Yes, most of them are not great track cars, but we are not talking track. We are talking 1/4 mile. You have to realize that a simple mustang or camaro or buick with a v8 is much more prone to be made to run single digits. It's the whole replacement for displacement thing. And YES, turbos are great, but nobody said you were not allowed to turbo a v8. So what it comes down to is a turbo 2-3 liter i4/i6/v6 vs. (potentially) turbo 4-6 liter v8. What do you think will make more HP/torque? Yah. It's as simple as that. And I'm not rooting for v8s or domestics here, although there are a few capable ones out there, but just trying to stick with the 1/4 mile argument.

sil80

[tapdeznutz]

down goes the hammer.

[nlzmo400r]

I don't wanna budge in, but we ARE talking about speed here ATS, and it IS true that it is much cheaper to make a domestic run below 10s. Yes, most of them are not great track cars, but we are not talking track. We are talking 1/4 mile. You have to realize that a simple mustang or camaro or buick with a v8 is much more prone to be made to run single digits. It's the whole replacement for displacement thing. And YES, turbos are great, but nobody said you were not allowed to turbo a v8. So what it comes down to is a turbo 2-3 liter i4/i6/v6 vs. (potentially) turbo 4-6 liter v8. What do you think will make more HP/torque? Yah. It's as simple as that. And I'm not rooting for v8s or domestics here, although there are a few capable ones out there, but just trying to stick with the 1/4 mile argument.

sil80

exactly, most people think domestics CANT have turbos for some reason, ever seen a hennessey 1ooo twin turbo viper, now thats domestic for ya, or a turbo charged camaro SS kill everything from turbod CRXs to 550 AWD eclipses??, ive seen it done, and damn is it a site, i like imports more than domestics USUALLY, but dont down domestics, they are capable as well

[themadscientist]

for the moment all posts stay, I like a good fight but no more below the belt stuff, queensbury rules.

My opinion if anyone cares is both have merit.

I here die hard domestic guys downplay imports in a drag race. Well a cleaver tends to cut meat with more frequency and power than a Ginsu knife but the knife does pretty darned good too.

I here die hard import guys disparage musclecars as heavy non-handling beasts. A lot are but not all so that argument is similarly weak.

There are many routes to speed and all have merit, Most of the tricks I do on high tech boosted Japanese engines are based on tricks I learned working on old Detroit iron.

Get it in, blow it up, get it out, same principle different solution.

"can't we all just get along":dogpile

[themadscientist]

You think I'm screwing around don't you Stephen? Clean it up or pack it up.

[MoeStooge]

You think I'm screwing around don't you Stephen? Clean it up or pack it up.

i didnt insult anyone on this board, i see no reason why ou deleted the post. no offense to you, but i made sure i insulted no one in it.

[themadscientist]

the language and tone of you posts are needlessly inflamatory. I respect your opinions and I would like the debate to continue but calm down and to be so agressive, that's all.

[Cold_Zero]

Try and compile a list as great as this one: http://www.gnttype.org/members/times.html ... and those are just buicks. To be honest if you want the cheapest and fastest 1/4m car, get a domestic. For anything else get a Import.

You notice that a lot of the Turbo Buick drivers on that list are from the Midwest? I think that the Midwest has a big following when it comes to those cars. I have always admired the GN, GNX and Turbo Regal Limited.

I do think that it is a safe bet that it is cheaper and easier to mod a domestic here in the States to run in the single digits in the quarter mile than it is for imports.

[mightymouse0x]

hmm, i just dispise the way domestic guys are so closed minded to imports. i used to be into old domestics, till i found out how good import cars look and still can be damn fast. imports are the track masters, and we might not be the best at both 1/4 mile and track, we are best at track, and right up with the domestics on the 1/4 mile. so i guess we are better anyways. just my 2 cents

[Siddhartha]

Not really, look at dodge viper and chevy corvette, both are amazing on the track and the strip. That's not to say I don't love imports, I do, but I'm pretty sure chevy's Z06 beat Nissan's GT-R (R34) around N-Ring. Imports look waaaaay better, get better mileage, and tend to make you feel more like you're flying when you drive 'em fast :-D.

[MoeStooge]

Not really, look at dodge viper and chevy corvette, both are amazing on the track and the strip. That's not to say I don't love imports, I do, but I'm pretty sure chevy's Z06 beat Nissan's GT-R (R34) around N-Ring. Imports look waaaaay better, get better mileage, and tend to make you feel more like you're flying when you drive 'em fast :-D.

i would base that on the driver. a GTR is easy to drive and keep strait or kick sideways without losing it, a ZO6 isnt. I'd like to see an average driver in both cars, and then see who wins that battle, not everyone is a race car driver. The Viper is even worse with this facto, it requires a damn good driver to keep in control, everyone knows that. Stick an rx7 on the track, see who wins that one. I gaurantee it will be close, or how about an EVO or S2k. Last I checked, alot of tracks open lap records are held by both Viper GTS's and S2000s. Mostly vipers, but that isn't because of handling, that's because of the 400-500hp they come with stock thats pumping them down the long straits at most tracks.

[Repo Man]

You notice that a lot of the Turbo Buick drivers on that list are from the Midwest? I think that the Midwest has a big following when it comes to those cars. I have always admired the GN, GNX and Turbo Regal Limited.

I do think that it is a safe bet that it is cheaper and easier to mod a domestic here in the States to run in the single digits in the quarter mile than it is for imports.

Rudbeck is from Muncie, Indiana, will race any import and eat it's lunch. His car is so damned powerful that it did a wheelstand on the rear bumper. Oh yeah, he also builds his own engines.

And if 7 sec ET's aren't enough, we'll bring Lawrence Conley into the debate. His turbo'd Camaro runs 6's at over 200 mph. Doorslammer on 19 psi. I've seen it in person and it is absolutely incredible. The Bowling Green guys know exactly what I'm talking about.

[JamesT43]

Quote »Mostly vipers, but that isn't because of handling, that's because of the 400-500hp they come with stock thats pumping them down the long straits at most tracks.[/quote]

Look up the skidpad and slolom numbers for the new Viper.

[MoeStooge]

Look up the skidpad and slolom numbers for the new Viper.

look up the tires and wheel widths on the new viper. a fuking datsun 510 can make the same numbers with some stickeys, it was done a few years ago in USCC.

[MoeStooge]

Rudbeck is from Muncie, Indiana, will race any import and eat it's lunch. His car is so damned powerful that it did a wheelstand on the rear bumper. Oh yeah, he also builds his own engines.

And if 7 sec ET's aren't enough, we'll bring Lawrence Conley into the debate. His turbo'd Camaro runs 6's at over 200 mph. Doorslammer on 19 psi. I've seen it in person and it is absolutely incredible. The Bowling Green guys know exactly what I'm talking about.

lets see some pics of this 7 sec camaro, ill bet it isnt even a damn camaro anymore. if i take my 240 and swap out every peice on the car and leave nothing stock except about 40% of the frame, i could run a 7 too.

[Repo Man]

lets see some pics of this 7 sec camaro, ill bet it isnt even a damn camaro anymore. if i take my 240 and swap out every peice on the car and leave nothing stock except about 40% of the frame, i could run a 7 too.

Well, first off, it runs in the 6's, as I stated previously, not in the 7's.

Secondly, I don't understand why you feel it is necessary to constantly curse to try and make your points. You really should try and refrain as it makes you look like a 9th grader.

Finally, level of modification was not the issue. We're talking about modded cars anyway, right? That 1000hp Supra sure doesn't resemble what came from the factory. And neither does Lawrence's Camaro. But again, that's not the issue. And btw, there isn't any way you're going to mod your 240 to run with this car. Sorry, but here you go:

[MoeStooge]

Well, first off, it runs in the 6's, as I stated previously, not in the 7's.

Secondly, I don't understand why you feel it is necessary to constantly curse to try and make your points. You really should try and refrain as it makes you look like a 9th grader.

Finally, level of modification was not the issue. We're talking about modded cars anyway, right? That 1000hp Supra sure doesn't resemble what came from the factory. And neither does Lawrence's Camaro. But again, that's not the issue. And btw, there isn't any way you're going to mod your 240 to run with this car. Sorry, but here you go:

thats not even a freaking car dude. that looks like a tubed and gutted shell. I doubt it carries more than 10% of stock parts on it. You're an idiot if you think my car wont make 7s if i gut it and tube it and put a twin turbo nitroused to oblivion nissan v8 in it with a th400 auto transmission and a 9" rear end, i assure you it will run 7s all ****in day. the 1000hp supras that run 9s usually run on GAS (i highly doubt the cars your mentioning run on gas), arent tube framed or backhalfed, dont run on 9" rear ends, th400 trannies, and they actually have real glas windows in them. That camaro isnt even a car anymore, it's a ****ing soda can with slicks. You bring in REAL cars and its a debate, otherwise your telling me oompa loompas are better than regular midigts because one of them pumped up on steriods can beat up a healthy midgit. Next your going to tell me this apples and oranges debate is a freaken (is this good enough for you?) contest of an entire orange tree against an apple seed, real fair comparison there buddy.

[themadscientist]

you guys really are comparing apples to oranges. If one side uses a tube frame purpose built drag car than the other side must do the same.

I beleive the HKS 180SX runs what?sevens? the Camaro beats it. Are any tube frame imports in the sixes yet?

The 5.0 racers and GN guys have the full interior cars covered for the domestics and I doubt the best of the full interior imports can match them.

There's no shame in that, when you boost two motors, one bigger than the other you get more power. Reality is a *****, waddaya want? As soon as I can get my hands on the new Nissan 5.6 liter V8 the RB is comin out!

[Nathan]

I'm just going to say it...there's no replacement for displacement...technology can only get you so far and while the import engines might have a hand up in the technology department, the domestics still have much more displacement. Like TMS said, "when you boost two motors, one bigger than the other you get more power" Ultimately the fastest car will always be the one with the biggest engine. If you are driving an import, I doubt it is really for the all out speed of it, there are a host of other (very valid) reasons

[MoeStooge]

droppign weight (imports) is better than increasign power. a 2 year old can figure that out. take the cobra r vs lotus elise battle in SCC mag, which car won? I beleive it was the lotus elise. So much for "no replacement for displacement" crap. As far as imports in the 6s, I beleive the Escort Z is in the 7s now, not 100% sure though. I DO know it set a trap speed record that I doubt most domestics cant touch if they wanted to.

[themadscientist]

and if you put a bigger engine in the Elise???that's the point I am making. Also when you mention the trap speed of the Z, uh so what, who got there first? I mean it is a drag race after all such trivialities like the car that gets there quicker wins really have to be adhered to.

Dropping weight can impact performance as much as upping power, I totally agree with you there.

[93semax]

7 second "street" class carhttp://www.hotrod.com/eventcov....html

Quote »and if you put a bigger engine in the Elise???[/quote] Why bother arguing? The displacement concept to too difficult to understand for some. :rolleyes

[Repo Man]

droppign weight (imports) is better than increasign power. a 2 year old can figure that out. take the cobra r vs lotus elise battle in SCC mag, which car won? I beleive it was the lotus elise. So much for "no replacement for displacement" crap. As far as imports in the 6s, I beleive the Escort Z is in the 7s now, not 100% sure though. I DO know it set a trap speed record that I doubt most domestics cant touch if they wanted to.

So what's the trap speed there, Ace?

So you don't like LC's Camaro. Fine. I'll personally introduce you to several people who have Turbo Buicks that run single digits on GAS and stock suspensions.

As for that Elise go-kart, it wasn't stock. Didn't even have the stock engine. Power WAS increased and not just marginally. Go back, do your homework, and actually know what the hell you're talking about before you come on here and call established members "idiots" while presenting lameass arguments that have no substance.

Oh, and the next time you roll through Indy, feel free to stop by and call me an idiot to my face.

[rtsol]

somebody lock this thread already.