Farewell Nissan President - A Japanese Tradition Ends

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This year, it was announced that Nissan will cease production of its two highest models, the Cima (aka Infiniti Q45) and the President, leaving the Fuga atop the company's lineup. It is a sad end for a very long and noble tradition of pioneering Japanese luxury sedans.

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The story begins in 1963 when Nissan introduced its first real luxury sedan, the Cedric Special 50 series. This was a longer-wheelbase and more ornate version of the first Cedric that had been introduced in 1960. It was powered by a 2.8-litre straight-six, the first such engine from Nissan. It was indeed the first real luxury sedan and an indicator of the progress being made. Soon, cars like the Prince Grand Gloria, Toyota Crown Eight and Mitsubishi Debonair followed.

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Toyota had introduced the Crown Eight in 1964, its first V8-powered luxury sedan, which would be replaced by the Century three years later. Nissan had however raised things a notch in the meantime when in 1965, it introduced the first President, the H150 series. It was the biggest, most powerful and most luxurious car built in Japan to date at the time. Power came from a 3.0-litre straight-six or a 4.0-litre V8. Nissan introduced the second-generation, Pininfarina-styled 130 series Cedric in the same year. Prince Motors, which Nissan would merge with the next year, had its Skyline and Gloria with OHC straight-six while Toyota had introduced the M-series six-cylinder engine in the Crown.

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In 1973, Nissan introduced the H250 series President. Its styling aped contemporary American norms but was the same basic car underneath. A Sovereign trim level, Y44 4.4-litre V8 and rectangular headlights would be changes to this car over the years, and it remained in production until 1990. This is no surprise given that the first-generation Toyota Century ran from 1967 to 1997 with facelifts in 1973 and 1982, and the first-generation Mitsubishi Debonair ran from 1964 to 1986 with numerous running changes (e.g. Executive SE trim level and the ubiquitous 2.6-litre four replacing the original 2.0-litre six!). The Mitsubishi Jeep had an even longer run- from 1954 to 1998, while the 40 Series Land Cruiser ran from 1960 to 1984.

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In response to Toyota's Celsior aka Lexus LS400, Nissan developed its own export-oriented luxury sedan in the Infiniti Q45. The new car was the basis for the all-new President that broke cover in 1990, the HG50 would serve as Nissan's domestic flagship until 2003. It basically is a stretched Q45 with a more regal grille, but a better car than the second-gen Q45 aka Cima.

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And so, the next President came in 2003, based once more on the Cima/Q45. The big Nissan was built in small numbers, which have dwindled even more in recent times. Furthermore, there isn't too much other than styling touches and longer wheelbase to differ it from the Q45 (the 5.6-litre V8 would have helped so it would go head-on with Toyota's more exclusive V12 Century).

Here ends a tradition, sad to say. But Nissan was a pioneer of Japanese luxury cars, which have a longer tradition than the average car guy outside Japan would realise. The President perhaps lost some of its exclusivity/uniqueness when it became a Q45-based car, in contrast to the Toyota Century which became an even more exclusive and unique car when it was totally renewed.

Toyota Century:

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More info and pics:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_Century

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Thanks for sharing - I'm totally digging the old school VIP look!

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I heard about this...so so sad. Not very surprising though. :frown:
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With no new President in the works, it looks bleak that we will ever see a new Q45 here in the USA.....their "top" model, the Fuga, is the M37/M56 in the states. Unbelivable they would totally abandon this segment and leave the Lexus LS without a true competitor in their lineup....tough to market yourself as a "luxury" brand without a true flagship sedan { think BMW 7 /Lexus LS/ audi A8/ MB S class/ etc}

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The Q45 was never coming back. The only Infiniti I will ever own from this point will be the Infiniti that I own now. The 97-01 Q's are by far the most reliable so I am spoiled at this point. I was looking @ maybe the 06 Q45s, but with the oil consumption issues, I will pass. Adding 1qt + on oil before the oci is unacceptable. I don't want the M35/45 now because of the oil issues and the new model M's haven't grown on me yet, so I will jump ship. The Lexus GS350 or a good used Maserati Quattroporte will most likely be my next purchase.

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Sad indeed. It looks like we now own one of Nissan's true "senior car" models.

I guess it was hard for Nissan to avoid the temptation of Howard Darren's 1951 Kaiser Manhattan C pillar design like SOME EUROPEAN car manufacturers.

Here's a picture of Howard Darren's 1951 Kaiser Manhattan with the famous "Darren Dip" in arrow A and the original Darren Rear Door Kink in arrow B.

How many cars have copied Darren's styling elements since 1951?

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NightRiderQ45 wrote:The Lexus GS350 or a good used Maserati Quattroporte will most likely be my next purchase.
I don't understand how you are trying to decide between these totally different kind of cars.

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lino wrote:
NightRiderQ45 wrote:The Lexus GS350 or a good used Maserati Quattroporte will most likely be my next purchase.
I don't understand how you are trying to decide between these totally different kind of cars.
Because I like both. I've been in love with the GS model since they first hit the market. I wanted the GS "bubble eye model" before I purchased my Q, but I couldn't find one for a decent price when I was in college so I purchased my second option. The Maserati is a performance, super performance car and right now that is my first option. If I can't find one for a good price (probably will have to drive to FL to pick up one), then it will be the GS.

Hope that clears it up for you buddy.

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Something tells me the maserati would be a horrible ownership experience compared to the Lexus.......exciting, but troublesome. I really liked the first generation Gs300, beautiful shape and stunning interior....too bad you could only get it in 6 cylinder form which was not very powerful.

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Something tells me the maserati would be a horrible ownership experience compared to the Lexus.......exciting, but troublesome. I really liked the first generation Gs300, beautiful shape and stunning interior....too bad you could only get it in 6 cylinder form which was not very powerful.

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Something tells me the maserati would be a horrible ownership experience compared to the Lexus.......exciting, but troublesome. I really liked the first generation Gs300, beautiful shape and stunning interior....too bad you could only get it in 6 cylinder form which was not very powerful.

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I understand what you're saying. I just never encountered a person who was interested in purchasing a Quattroporte that would even look at a Lexus. Usually, Ferrari owners who want a 4 door will consider a Quattroportte, but never a Lexus. The drive, the design, the power...everything is so very different. Either way, I hope you find that perfect car you're looking for :yesnod. Florida is definitely a good place to get a deal on one. I'd consider a Sport GT model.

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the Maserati dealer in my town { Lutherville/Timonium Md, a suburb of baltimore} lasted less than 2 years until it folded, always thought it was a stupid decision to open it in this economy when ferrari/Maserati of Washington is just 50 miles down the road.....I mean, come on, not that many people{even wealthy ones} in Balt/Wash spend their money on flashy sports cars.....way too conservative of a area for that!

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LOL to both replies. I can't afford the Ferrari, but I've seen the Maserati in my price range a couple of times on eBay. That's how I figured that I would have to drive to FL to purchase a nice, used one. Ship, you brought up a good point, I might have to check the reliability of those. I haven't done it yet. I was actually looking at the Jaguar XF also, but they STILL haven't fixed their reliability issues with those Jags. The new XF has a lot of transmission issues so that automatically kicked them out of the running. I have a friend who has the 2nd gen with over 300k and I still looks and drives nicely. I've always been a Lexus fan.


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