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Just watched bushes final speach. what did you guys think?


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I am saddened by his leaving.seriously

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leesredgt wrote:I am saddened by his leaving.seriously
are you serious or just joking.

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I will miss Bush's goofy mannerisms and Cheney's evil countenance. Bush was like a frat boy trying his best at a job that was too much for him and Cheney was like a Bond villain with his finger on the shock function of Tim Russert's chair.

Get ready for four years of Obamalama. Hide you guns and your money, the libbies are coming!

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LeroyBrown wrote: are you serious or just joking.
Im serious.

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leesredgt wrote:
Im serious.
i was actually thinking the same thing.

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I think he has been the worst president since I have been alive. But he is 10 times better than Gore.

Not sure about Obama, but he doesn't have to do much to be better than those others. Don't know what he is thinking with some of his nominations.

I do think Bush would make a great car salesman. Nuclear powered cars of course.

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I disagree about him being the worst president ever, that's a personal opinion. There were times he made mistakes, but you have to give him credit that the United States WAS safe during the last 7 years or so after 9/11 occured.

Running as a president is a difficult task to do and I'd like to see anyone in here try to do better than Obama, Bush or previous presidents in the White House before making any statements.

Personally, I would rather have either Bob Barr, Ron Paul, Mitt Romney or Mike Huckabee running instead of Obama. Our country needs a more Libertarian stance in the government and less of the two opposing political parties. They both either want to spend more and increase the size of the government on both sides of the aisle. That is why discussing politics can be such a heated debate amongst some fellow citizens.

We'll see how Obama runs the country the next four years and then judge him from there on out.

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I cant believe bush isnt the last president personally. I suppose we have a few more days to go.

Anyway, check out this poll. http://www.newsvine.com/_quest...-bush


Modified by 480sx at 8:59 PM 1/15/2009

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Count me in the 15%. Unlike the lemming-like obamalamians, I don't give a **** what polls say, just what I think. Vote as you are instructed good citizen

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I don't know any president that handled a Katrina like catastrophe like he did or lied through his teeth to everyone.

The bailout is the biggest joke of all coming at the very end of his administration. How appropriate.

As far as keeping the country safe I didn't see him catch any planes with his teeth or do anything great as far as immigration goes. Does seem to be more round ups. But if they could have got in the US so could anyone else.

Seems he did better than most for Africa. But for the rest of the world his mission doomed for failure.

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Ungrateful that's all you are.Let me guess you voted for Obama.

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Armelius wrote:I don't know any president that handled a Katrina like catastrophe like he did or lied through his teeth to everyone.
I feel your pain



Let's not forget his lovely wife, complicit with him in the whitewater scandal, etc, etc, etc. And your new secretary of state. What a gal!


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Armelius wrote:I don't know any president that handled a Katrina like catastrophe like he did or lied through his teeth to everyone.

The bailout is the biggest joke of all coming at the very end of his administration. How appropriate.

As far as keeping the country safe I didn't see him catch any planes with his teeth or do anything great as far as immigration goes. Does seem to be more round ups. But if they could have got in the US so could anyone else.

Seems he did better than most for Africa. But for the rest of the world his mission doomed for failure.
The bailout was a bad idea and majority of DEMOCRATS AND Bush were proposed to get that out. A lot of Republicans lashed out at him for that because it's not necessary. If your business screws up, you don't need a handout from banks and the govenment, file for bankrupcy and reorganize.

Yes, the country was safe. There wasn't ANOTHER attack against people who lived in the US. No Bush can't catch airplanes with his teeth, and neither can anyone else. Are you still alive because no terrorlst/freedom fighter killed you? If you are then you should be happy.

Bush could of done better with the immigration, he didn't do squat about it. The borders are messed up, and there needs to be something done to fix them. I doubt Obama is going to help out with the security down south.

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God what a hilarious picture of slick willy.

Anyone else catch the name of the website who made that Hillary poster?
leesredgt wrote:Ungrateful that's all you are.Let me guess you voted for Obama.
I voted for Obama too.

What exactly should we be grateful for from the bush presidency?

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I couldn't stand them or Gore. I was given a heads up by some people from Arkansas. They told me stories about him/them when Clinton was Governor.

Clinton was better than Bush though. Clinton lowered or quit the federal gas tax for a bit. Used strategic reserves to keep the price rising. Tried to do something about the health crisis. E for effort.

There did seem to be more freedom of speech under Clinton especially with the airwaves and there seemed to be less FISA problems and over reaching of the federal government with Clinton.

NAFTA was the biggest success with Clinton. It did plenty of good short term but long term I feel it's a problem. Many people have been wanting to pass NAFTA for years.

Overall the economy was better under Clinton (not by much) and there was a budget surplus (too much taxation?).

Clinton and/or his lackeys seemed like they were in control and didn't seem to sit down to read a school book to minorities while the country was being attacked.

Make no mistake I still dislike Clinton for carrying over the GI BILL change that the first Bush ordered nullifying Pell Grant opportunities to veterans.

But Saddam was kept in check by Clinton and he did do well expanding NATO (not necessarily in my opinion though). And those are significant differences in the administrations.

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I stopped flying to work back in 99. I think that is another reason I am alive. But right now I do have a headache. If I didn't respond right to your post could you make another with fewer words? It isn't your fault and I will have to call it a day early.

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480sx wrote:God what a hilarious picture of slick willy.
I wanted to find a picture that captured the sneaky bastard and BANG, perfect!

I find myself in a very unexpected place as we get ready to seat "the one". I think before the year is out I will be pulling for him. I am already pulling for him to do a good job because if he screws it up we are likewise screwed. What I mean is going to bat for him politically. I still expect him to try to push a lot of stuff I don't like but as I said early on and still believe, his biggest problem is going to be his own party. Pelosi and Reed think they are the leaders and are going to try and handle Barry. The good part is I get the impression he isn't going to play that and the battle should be epic. In the end as president, he is ultimately responsible in the eyes of the people. Barry is a lot of things but I don't believe he is stupid, he knows this. This will temper his leftward leaning ideals somewhat and I think he will wind up closer to the center than congressional democrats who are able to push blame for their actions off onto the president. they are going to try to control him and when it doesn't work I think they will begin to undermine him.I don't like Barry but the people put him in there and he deserves to be treated with the respect due the office. Partisan BS needs to fall by the wayside and I am not talking about the Republicans either. They are in a full rout and cannot really muster much resistance at this point. This humbling I hope will bring them back to a true conservative dogma instead of the Democrat-light style they were experimenting with that caused them to lose thier soul. No the partisanship I speak of will be within the Democrat party as the hard core left tries to push thier agenda to the fullest with a president who was once one of them but now looks at policy through new eyes.

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Clinton was forced to abandon his liberal agenda when the House changed parties in 1994. Newt Gingrich is a great American who helped control the expansion of government during a time of relative peace.

Clinton played along and took credit, which is fine by me as long as he played along.

Its amusing to me that the hero of the Democratic party wasn't very liberal at all. He was a right-leaning pragmatic centrist who gave lip service to the left. Everyone was somewhat satisfied, and his approval rating showed it.

I'm not that crazy about Bush, but does seem more down to earth and less nutty than Gore.

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seriously... He will not be missed! I have nothing mean to say, but Im glade he's done.


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