f1 turbo cars making a comeback?

[fighlikeapitbull]

I was surfing around the web and came across a site saying that f1 might bring it back for 2012 season renault proposed a concept engine to f1 to show there idea it was a 1.5 liter turbo engine that pushes around 800 hp and revs to 18000 rpms wow so that got me thinking imagine how well the japanese companies would do this also shows the effect that the tuning world is possibly having in racing politics wow the future for turbocharging could be amazing for us boost addicts

[RCA]

A) Post the link where you read thatB) Why would the want F1 turbo engines (benefits)?C) Why would they want a 1.5L making 800hp @18000 rpm when they have a N/A engines making almost identical numbers?

And Japanese companies like Honda already do well in F1 (I think they have decided not to compete though). I don't think because of turbo engines being allowed in F1 (again) will have Japanese companies trying to compete with McLaren, BMW, Mercedes and Ferrari.

[EazyBreazy]

wow you jumped to a lot of conclusions with that one. The japanese companies wouldn't automatically do better because the engines are turbocharged.

The change in engines(if it even exists), May be in an attempt to lower the cost of competition given that F1 is bar none the most expensive platform/series to field a team let alone be competitive. I guarantee that the "tuning world" has had/will have ZERO affect on the policies of F1 past, present, and future.

If anything F1 has had an astounding effect on the automotive world in general and you may see future benefits from research done by the teams trickling down into consumer models.

Unfortunately I feel i should tell you that: The tuning world is small, and inconsequential in the grand scheme of things.

BTW I friggen hate the word, tuner and any word that uses some derivative of tuner

[fighlikeapitbull]

f1 is trying to reduce the air pollution of the cars they are trying to be more green i guess the reason why i said japanese companies would benefit is because they are well known for using turbo technology in their race cars while other racing circuits or countries have used mainly na engines like nascar or f1 rally still uses turbos and the japanese cars dominate the sport

[fighlikeapitbull]

And us car modifiers ( since you don't like tuners) have had a big affect on whatsoever going on in the car world why do you think the gtr r35 is the way it is why do you think the sylvia might be brought back why was the evo sold in the us and many other cars are also being developed or brought over here when originally they weren't it may be a small amount of people into this stuff but it leaves its mark

[fighlikeapitbull]

And if the tuning world is so small then why did toyota create a brand of cars designed to sell to people like us

[simmode1]

1) As much as I love f1, this has absolutely nothing to do with 240sx's. This should be in the General Chat foums.

2) Op, learn how to use punctation.

3) rcabrita, I like Jensen Button alot. I think he is a cool guy and a great driver. But Honda has sucked a$$ the past few years in F1. I think their dismal performance (besides economic woes) has the deciding factor on why they bowed out of f1 this year.

And if the tuning world is so small then why did toyota create a brand of cars designed to sell to people like us

I hope you aren't talking about Scion... As long as all their product are Wrong Wheel Drive, that brand ain't for me or anybody like me. Any enthusiast that I know who drives a Scion always come off as a F&F fanboy...

[EazyBreazy]

f1 is trying to reduce the air pollution of the cars they are trying to be more green i guess the reason why i said japanese companies would benefit is because they are well known for using turbo technology in their race cars while other racing circuits or countries have used mainly na engines like nascar or f1 rally still uses turbos and the japanese cars dominate the sport

Until you provide a link to the article the pollution thing is just what you think. As for rally Subaru is the only Japanese company I even see in the manufacturer's list. I'd like to see where you got the information that Japanese companies dominate that sport.

And us car modifiers ( since you don't like tuners) have had a big affect on whatsoever going on in the car world why do you think the gtr r35 is the way it is why do you think the sylvia might be brought back why was the evo sold in the us and many other cars are also being developed or brought over here when originally they weren't it may be a small amount of people into this stuff but it leaves its mark

Contrary to what you think we had no affect on the current GTR. If they had consulted the true enthusiasts it would have been available with a regular manual transmision, lighter in total weight with fewer 007 gadgets.

And if the tuning world is so small then why did toyota create a brand of cars designed to sell to people like us

WTF are you talking about? Could you be talking about scion? If so you are delusional. Enthusiasts have been calling for the return of the Supra, or MR2 but I will garantee none of us ever wanted bloated, middle of the road styling in a front wheel drive layout with a grossly underpowered engine.

You sir, may possibly be the most delusional person i've ever come across on this forum

EDIT: Until you provide any sort of article to back up any claim about F1 changing engine configuration and why they are, I as well as alot of other people on this forum will completely dismiss what you are saying as hearsay, rumor, opinion, or lie. None of those carry any weight lol

[simmode1]

And us car modifiers ( since you don't like tuners) have had a big affect on whatsoever going on in the car world why do you think the gtr r35 is the way it is why do you think the sylvia might be brought back why was the evo sold in the us and many other cars are also being developed or brought over here when originally they weren't it may be a small amount of people into this stuff but it leaves its mark

Stop talking now. You are revealing your ignorance. Silvia plans were canned months ago and the GTR is not a tuner car. At all.

EazyBreazy, Subaru has bowed out of WRC as well, Btw...

[EazyBreazy]

In a move designed to boost reliability still further, rev limits will be cut from 19,000 to 18,000 rpm. Drivers will be limited to eight engines per season, with each team allowed an additional four engines for testing. Once a driver has used up his eight-engine allocation, any engine change will incur a 10-place grid penalty (or a move to the back of the grid if made after qualifying) for the event at which the change is made. Just one team - Renault - has been allowed to make performance modifications to their engine for 2009 in order to help equalise power outputs.

Would explain the rev-limit

Kinetic Energy Recovery Systems (KERS)From 2009 teams have the option of employing a KERS to boost their car’s performance. As its name implies, a KERS recovers the (normally wasted) kinetic energy generated by the car’s braking process. This energy is stored using a mechanical flywheel or an electrical battery and then made available to the driver, in set amounts per lap, via a ‘boost button’ on the steering wheel. Under the current regulations the power gain equates to around 80 horsepower, available for just under seven seconds per lap. This could be worth several tenths of a second in terms of lap time, but the weight and packaging of the system - and its impact on the car’s weight distribution - also have to be taken into account.

Could you have possibly mistaken the word boost in this particular paragraph to mean forced induction. I hope not.

I'm beginning to think even more that you've gotten some wires crossed somewhere along the way. Hope they weren't in your head.

The best place to get policy changes for the major sanctioned racing series is the respective websites.

EazyBreazy, Subaru has bowed out of WRC as well, Btw...

So that leaves NO, ZERO Japanese companies in WRC. And if I remember correctly the WRX was not dominant at all, Competitive yes, but not dominant.

[fighlikeapitbull]

Im on my playstation 3 so i cant leave a link but google the subject and there is also a reason why there was a ? After the phrase i did put this in the wrong section sorry about that but the whole scion thing is something i don't agree with the 2az engine is not bad at all they have been modified to crazy horsepower and the possible new toyota subaru i4 rwd car is RUMORED to be the second gen tc and the evo at one point did very well in rally and i think the pulsar at one point did real good too

[simmode1]

Im on my playstation 3 so i cant leave a link but google the subject and there is also a reason why there was a ? After the phrase i did put this in the wrong section sorry about that but the whole scion thing is something i don't agree with the 2az engine is not bad at all they have been modified to crazy horsepower and the possible new toyota subaru i4 rwd car is RUMORED to be the second gen tc and the evo at one point did very well in rally and i think the pulsar at one point did real good too

The Toyota/Subaru planned car which was supposed to be the successor to the Trueno was also cancelled months ago.

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/0...inite/



There are entirely too much fail in this thread. I'm out.

[EazyBreazy]

I am not googling again, the only thing I could find was what I linked off of the F1 site. It is your job to provide the evidence you are citing.

Get off of your backside and do your own legwork

[fighlikeapitbull]

btw the supra was under development but i think got cancelled because of financial woes but the nsx and supra will probably see a comeback due to the release of the gtr

[EazyBreazy]

Again with more hearsay and rumor. Those carry about the same weight as a wet tissue. Quit spouting snippets of what you may have thought you read. Do some research and bring an intelligent point of view to the conversation. All you're doing is spouting rhetoric like some sort of Nazi propaganda minister

[fighlikeapitbull]

I am not googling again, the only thing I could find was what I linked off of the F1 site. It is your job to provide the evidence you are citing. Get off of your backside and do your own legwork

sorry but no computer here only ps3 if you decide to stop being ignorant search f1 2012 renault turbo and click a few links not just one

[EazyBreazy]

thats the first you've even said about what you searched for. For cripes sake. I'm not going on a wild goose chase, but i'll look into that

So i looked into it,

2012 To See Turbo F1 Return?27 08 2008

Austrian daily newspaper the Kronen Zeitung is claiming that top F1 engine makers BMW and Renault are looking into the possibility of persuading the new F1 concorde to bring back turbo engines from 2012.

The engines would be 1.5 litre engines with a turbo boost of 1.5 bar, similar to those used in the late 1980’s.

Ferrari’s 2.4 litre V8, despite some reliability problems is the fastest engine by a long way in F1 at the moment, the top 5 times being recorded by 5 Ferrari engined cars, even Sutil in the Force India his 311km/h at Valencia.

This is just rumor like I said. Note the bold type i put into the quote, Even the newspaper doesn't even have a source, that's like looking in the National Inquirer and expecting facts

[fighlikeapitbull]

Again with more hearsay and rumor. Those carry about the same weight as a wet tissue. Quit spouting snippets of what you may have thought you read. Do some research and bring an intelligent point of view to the conversation. All you're doing is spouting rhetoric like some sort of Nazi propaganda minister

you must be dumb do you really think that toyota and honda are just going to let nissan run away with the best performance japanese car under 100k title without at least putting up a fight did you really think that the release mk4supra nsx 92plus rx7 3000gt and r34 around the same time was an accident car companies compete

[EazyBreazy]

you must be dumb do you really think that toyota and honda are just going to let nissan run away with the best performance japanese car under 100k title without at least putting up a fight did you really think that the release mk4supra nsx 92plus rx7 3000gt and r34 around the same time was an accident car companies compete

When all else fails RESORT TO PERSONAL ATTACKS. No I have no idea how the automotive industry works. I've only been playing with and modifying cars for 10 years, and learning about the industry for 15. I'm simply an employee of NISSAN what could I know about the automotive industry. Could you please tell me how it works. Obviously you know it all anyways. At any rate nothing you say carries any weight with me. So go ahead and have a nice day. When you can bring facts , not opinions rumor or hearsay, then maybe I will converse with you.

[simmode1]

OK. I had to respond to this ish...

you must be dumb do you really think that toyota and honda are just going to let nissan run away with the best performance japanese car under 100k title without at least putting up a fight

Yes. Just like no other company is going to compete with the Genesis coupe.

did you really think that the release mk4supra nsx 92plus rx7 3000gt and r34 around the same time was an accident car companies compete

That was a completely different era. The current economic condition of the auto industry prohibit developement of such new and risky ventures.

On the real. STFU & GTFO.
Modified by simmode1 at 5:32 AM 3/24/2009

[fighlikeapitbull]

OK. I had to respond to this ish...Yes. Just like no other company is going to compete with the Genesis coupe. Um have you ever heard of the gtr msrp under 100k the genesis performs very similar um the z and g37 so idk what your trying say its a great car and great bang for the buck is that what you mean? That was a completely different era. The current economic condition of the auto industry prohibit developement of such new and risky ventures i agree with you hear On the real. STFU & GTFO.

i thinks its mad funny when people try being tough on forums

[RCA]

Not wanting to get involved or anything...

A buddy of mine who is a HUGE Honda guy and he follows every word about Honda...He told me that YES, the NSX project is dead.And I know the Supra project is dead from my readings in Motor Trend...

So yea no one is DUMB, Nissan will be the one with the best performance car under 100k



You are new...And you post up WAY TOO MANY threads, so stop...

PLEASE

[fighlikeapitbull]

simmode1 are you brazilian cause your profile says you do capoeira

[fighlikeapitbull]

Not wanting to get involved or anything...A buddy of mine who is a HUGE Honda guy and he follows every word about Honda...He told me that YES, the NSX project is dead.And I know the Supra project is dead from my readings in Motor Trend...So yea no one is DUMB, Nissan will be the one with the best performance car under 100k You are new...And you post up WAY TOO MANY threads, so stop...PLEASE

sorry ill slow down i just like talking about cars but i can take peoples criticism when they say it respectfully

[simmode1]

i thinks its mad funny when people try being tough on forums

No one is trying to be tough. We are simply pointing out your failings and trying desparately to prevent you from making more fail.

simmode1 are you brazilian cause your profile says you do capoeira

Yes. I do capoeira. No, I'm not Brazilian.

[fighlikeapitbull]

No one is trying to be tough. We are simply pointing out your failings and trying desparately to prevent you from making more fail.Yes. I do capoeira. No, I'm not Brazilian.

i used to train muay thai with a capoeira master he did all this crazy stuff it was cool i got cousins in brazil who do it too they mad good

[rico05]

Considering the Cosworth spec engine program, the perpensity for Max Mosely and Flavio Biratore to both talk a big talk with little, or unusual, follow through and the development costs associated with an entirely new engine platform this seems quite unlikely. At least a 1.5l turbo.

Things to consider:1. A radical engine architecture change requires massive retooling. The FIA is on a cost cutting kick lately. So this won't happen.

2. The engine and gearbox are stressed memebers. Massive architecture change would require massive redesign of the chassis/suspension. Now, having said that, I do realize that the 2009 regulations have already done that. But 2012 is too soon for that radical of a change.

3. The FIA and the FOCA have made massive investments in KERS. That will be the technology of the near future that the sport will embrace.

What have we discovered? F1 had a turbo era. It was over 20 years ago. It rocked. This won't happen.

Oh, and I know more about F1 than you.

Post Script: Toyota has made it abundently clear that they are in the business of making money. And their decision to abandon the LF-A and the on-again-off-again joint venture with Subaru FR platform, coupled with their recent press release stating thier corporate policy to build fuel efficent and safe autos all but assures Nissan their place in this generation with the dominance of the GT-R. Let us not forget history: Who was the first manufacturer to compete in, and win, an international motorsport event with an automobile after WWII? Nissan. B210. New Zeland Rally. Nissan has always been the staple for Japanese motorsport on 4 wheels. Honda builds "better" engines. Toyota, "better" cars. Mazda "better" chassis. But Nissan has the best almagamation of all aspects and brought to market compelling cars.

Post-Post Script:Oh, and even though I am die hard Ferrari fan, I am really rooting for Brawn this season. Hopefully, he can take the old Honda/BAR team to new heights!
Modified by rico05 at 8:05 AM 3/24/2009

[DrJuice164]

The 2009 cars will have "boost" but not in the sence of forced induction. They will have a similar system to the prius called KERS. Im sure you know how the Toyota senergy drive works, but with the forumla car, there will be a boost button. As lame as it sounds, this could increase engine output by 80hp for a brief period of time.

Not sure if this is what the OP misunderstood or maybe I just have my head up my a**.

Either way, Enjoy

EDIT: this was mentioned in the post above mine, my bad.

[fighlikeapitbull]

You def know more about f1 than me i just saw that article and got excited i guess i agree that nissan is the best japanese brand didn't f1 consider being more environmentally friendly when it comes to the pollution there cars produce?

[EazyBreazy]

You def know more about f1 than me i just saw that article and got excited i guess i agree that nissan is the best japanese brand didn't f1 consider being more environmentally friendly when it comes to the pollution there cars produce?

In my honest opinion the minute a racing series/any racing series goes green will be the minute I write them off as done for. That is contrary to what they're trying to do especially given the current technology.

sorry ill slow down i just like talking about cars but i can take peoples criticism when they say it respectfully

If that was directed at me, please explain further. All I said was that hearsay,rumors, and articles with no factual basis are immediately ignored by me as they have factual basis. Opinion's are fine, but rumors and what-not are the bane of my existence