EX35 in USA, EX37 in Europe...

[europa]

Hi, somebody could explain why Infiniti sells the new EX37 in Europe, while in US they still sale the EX35? And, what's the difference? Is the EX37 going for sale in USA too? Many thanks!

[txgcoupe]

Beats the hell out of me.

I just bought a new EX35 and would have preferred an EX37 given the opportunity.

More power is always best!

John

[zozoka1212]

^^^^Would you pay the Europian price tag too? They went with it since it gets better MPG. I believe. They have more than just the engine size differences. But I believe it will come to the states too. Just takes time. Mayeb when the G gets the DI engine the EX will get it too.

[europa]

I can not see the real difference between US EX35 and European EX37... Better MPG for the EX37? Sure? - More power? - The current dealer offers for brand new EX35 (very tempting) are because the new EX37 is coming soon? - In one hand I would like to buy now, in the other hand I don't like to buy a car "old model" 4 months later!

[scottt]

I am the owner of a 2009 EX35 RWD. My experience has been nothing but great. The 3.5L Engine in the EX is a wonderful powerplant. My understanding is that it's 80% New, stronger, faster and offers better fuel economy than the old 3.5. I looked at the 3.7 in the G and really did not like the level of complexity, the 3.7L requires Ester Oil, it's very expensive. The 3.7L is not just bigger its a complicated motor. To me, the new 3.5L offers the best bang for the buck. There is a reason Infiniti has kept the 3.5L in the M and the FX. Europe has tougher regulations and I'm sure that's why they went with the 3.7L and the 7speed Automatic in Europe. I am not putting the 3.7L and 7 speed down, just mentioning that our 3.5L with the 5 speed works very well, I dought you would feel the power differance and the 1MPG or so fuel economy differance is not enough to justify the package differance, IMO

Scott

[Jason Tucker]

I am the owner of a 2009 EX35 RWD. My experience has been nothing but great. The 3.5L Engine in the EX is a wonderful powerplant. My understanding is that it's 80% New, stronger, faster and offers better fuel economy than the old 3.5. I looked at the 3.7 in the G and really did not like the level of complexity, the 3.7L requires Ester Oil, it's very expensive. The 3.7L is not just bigger its a complicated motor. To me, the new 3.5L offers the best bang for the buck. There is a reason Infiniti has kept the 3.5L in the M and the FX. Europe has tougher regulations and I'm sure that's why they went with the 3.7L and the 7speed Automatic in Europe. I am not putting the 3.7L and 7 speed down, just mentioning that our 3.5L with the 5 speed works very well, I dought you would feel the power differance and the 1MPG or so fuel economy differance is not enough to justify the package differance, IMO

Scott

Drove the M for a week in San Deigo a few months back...very nice but was disappointed in the 7 speed trans. I assumed more gears is more better...it spent time searching for a nice gear to drive in sometimes. It's an automatic and more than a few times I looked to see what gear it was running in because I was feeling....WTF!

The five speed is fine when it settles in on the hwy.

[MinisterofDOOM]

The 3.7L is not just bigger its a complicated motor....

There is a reason Infiniti has kept the 3.5L in the M and the FX.

For the first part, you're right on. The EX35 has the VQ35HR. The EX37 has the VQ37VHR. That second V makes a big difference. It signifies the presence of Nissan's highly advanced VVEL (variable valve event and lift) tech. The 3.5 gets traditional CVTC (continuously variable valve timing) which actually works alongside VVEL as well in the 3.7. But the 3.7 has a very advanced valvetrain...one of the most advanced designs in the world. The 3.5 is much simpler and more traditional.

As for the second part, there is indeed a reason, but I don't think it's the one you're implying. The M kept the 3.5 because it was not an all-new model at the time the 3.7 was introduced. Integrating the new 3.7 would have meant a lot of re-engineering. Keeping the 3.5 was simpler and cheaper. And the all-new M next year WILL abandon the 3.5 in favor of the 3.7. It'll be M37 or M56 (VQ37VHR or VK56VD). Even the gas-electric hybrid M will get the 3.7, not the 3.5.

The FX and EX I have no idea. Europe also gets the FX37 rather than the FX35. I wonder if it's related to CAFE and fuel economy?

[JCL622]

For the first part, you're right on. The EX35 has the VQ35HR. The EX37 has the VQ37VHR. That second V makes a big difference. It signifies the presence of Nissan's highly advanced VVEL (variable valve event and lift) tech. The 3.5 gets traditional CVTC (continuously variable valve timing) which actually works alongside VVEL as well in the 3.7. But the 3.7 has a very advanced valvetrain...one of the most advanced designs in the world. The 3.5 is much simpler and more traditional.

As for the second part, there is indeed a reason, but I don't think it's the one you're implying. The M kept the 3.5 because it was not an all-new model at the time the 3.7 was introduced. Integrating the new 3.7 would have meant a lot of re-engineering. Keeping the 3.5 was simpler and cheaper. And the all-new M next year WILL abandon the 3.5 in favor of the 3.7. It'll be M37 or M56 (VQ37VHR or VK56VD). Even the gas-electric hybrid M will get the 3.7, not the 3.5.

The FX and EX I have no idea. Europe also gets the FX37 rather than the FX35. I wonder if it's related to CAFE and fuel economy?

if you take it from a marketing stand point it's pretty sound logic i think.

Infiniti and Nissan has had an established image in the US. on top of that, with the introduction of the VQ35DE in the 350Z in 2003, this engine has gained immense popularity.

Truthfully, the CUV segment lacks in the direction of displacement + power...i mean what's the next closest? RAV4 v6? well for 2010 it's the SRX 2.8T @ 300HP, 3HP more than our current mill, so you can say the USDM has just caught up to the EX in the CUV segment in terms of power.

second, i mean, if u were nissan, wouldn't u milk all u could get out of a cookie cutter mill? why introduce something new when old works? when "new" can be put aside for later?

on top of that, Infiniti as a namebrand has not been very well established in Europe, so they tried to be competitive, through in the VVEL 3.7 and branded infiniti on par with Bimmer, Benz, etc. Unfortunately, if you ever read the british reviews of the EX37, the design is so....NOT european, that they actually didnt pick up as well as intended. - to them, cookie cutter is Q5 design, which is elegant, albeit not beautiful.

Right now Infiniti in the UK is pushing so hard, i wonder if they are losing more money than making currently in their marketing strategy. some of THEIR Perks include any service that is due, the dealership COMES to you to pick up car and provide loaner, you have a personalized sales associate who exclusively works with you during the duration of ur ownership (i think the small letters also mean as long as the stnd warranty applies LOL)

so it's not hard to see why they threw in the 3.7 powerplant. alot of cars in EU end up with better performance and options vs. the american version....look at FORD in the EU, the Focus RS? seriously?!!? or better yet, the Audi TT RS vs the American Audi TT S

now those are different segments in the field, let's just look at the CUV segment...we have almost no competition. let's be realistic, not from a buying standpoint but from actual comparable data. (meaning things like the CR-V, RAV4, CX-7 dont get to play because even though their price points are very close they don't come close ....ALTHOUGH the CX-7 does have alot of the amneities that the EX offers too) - other branded CUVs like the Edge and Subaru are simply a lot bigger and really are small SUVs not compact UVs

the real competitors of the EX35 are the SRX, RDX, Q5, GLK, X3 - all with the EX35 with the second most powerful powertrain, and also being on the market longer than the SRX that beats it with 300HP. If you look at it this way, i'd say infiniti is ahead of the game. SRX is 2010 model, let's just say end of 2010, or EVEN 2011, right around a Model year cycle refresh for the SRX who continues with the 2.8T powerplant, Infiniti throws in the EX37.....even without a model update (for looks etc etc) it woudl still outclass the models in its class (the only contendter is a GLK AMG or a Q5 performance variant Q5s? lol) or X3 M...god forbid

so with that point of reference i believe infiniti has a few options available, vs well their competitors

and then we look at the EU market again...they have the X1!!!!! and X6 (which we do too) the EUDM is simply oversaturated with options from US, EU, and Asia, vs the USDM.....esp for a market like the CUV where space has been scant in EU while in the US it's been a economic/preference/trend thing

just my $0.02

[scottt]

I am sure not putting the 37 Engine down. I want to keep my EX35 for 10 years, I think the 35 powerplant with the 5 speed automatic is my best choice. Lower maint. cost, I can use Mobil 1 in the engine and should anything go wrong, I bet, Lower cost to repair. Time will tell, I drove the G37 before I bought the EX35 and prefered the way the EX35 drove and felt. It's a personal thing, Infiniti makes great vehicles, this is my second, I drove my i30 for 9 years and loved the car. Scott

[Mephisto75]

OK, since i live in the EU here are my thoughts.First some info on the differences. I sat in a EX37 not so long time ago.From my point of view there is nothing obviously different between these two models.speaking with a sales person, he told me that there almost 360 parts that are different. From what i could see, the leather is of better quality (much thiker), the infotainment is different, especially the screen has a higher resulotion(compared to 2008 model). there are only two available packeges.

beside these minor differences there is a major difference in the strategy of infiniti. In the EU they are trying to position themselves more as a premium vendor. That is where they see their niche regardless of prices etc. and as we all know nothing in life is for free! If you compare prices you will see a rediculously high price.for those who do not care about money that much, it is more appealing to have something exclusiv rather than for a reasonable price.

That is also the reason, why i dont think that the 3.7 engine will come to the us, at least not that soon.

[europa]

Thank you for your posts. I think I will go for a new EX35. If somebody knows where we are (in USA) now for the best best price from official Infiniti dealers... Thank you!Another inquiry for help.... Where in USA I can find the best offers? Is there some States where prices are "naturally" and "historically" lower?