european vs japanize

Post by **eurosx** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

Hey ya'll, I was just wondering if there were any differences between the european CA and the japanize version?

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

well euro is 200SX right? Japan is 180SX or Silvia.Does your car have right hand drive? Japan does.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

no the euro ca18det is still the 1.8, or so i thought, the 200sx is the sr20 we get in america, no turbo tho!!, and the silvia (240sx here runs a KA24de, n/a)

Post by **eurosx** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

my bad, I didn't finish what I ment. I am asking about the motors. Are there any differences in the production lines: same cams, same turbo specs? Anything like that.

Post by **eurosx** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

or in other words, which is better to import for transplant into a 240 in the states or is there a difference?

Post by **rtsol** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

the euro spec has a 4 port head/manifold right? instead of the eight butterflies. im probably wrong as usual.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

mmm, im not too sure but i could look it up and get back to u, im pretty sure (99% to ball park it) thta the jdm and euro specs are identical

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

nlzmo400r wrote:no the euro ca18det is still the 1.8, or so i thought, the 200sx is the sr20 we get in america, no turbo tho!!, and the silvia (240sx here runs a KA24de, n/a)

No in europe it is called a 200SX, even the Ca ones are called that. I know the 200SX you mean, that's a sunny in Japan. Don't you love the name shiuffling the Japanese do to confuse us?:mad:

Post by **Nathan** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

I thought the intake manifold was different on the european spec CA as well, and also, CAN you import the european one's? I have never seen an importer for the European CA's, you might be able to get a newer (in years) engine since they were made until 1993?? there? I think I heard somewhere they were...or maybe it was 1994, anyway point is that they were still put in 200sx's until then. You can always get a rebuilt one from http://www.norrisdesigns.com I wish I could have one of those! but they arent the cheapest.

Post by **Doogz** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

rtsol wrote:the euro spec has a 4 port head/manifold right? instead of the eight butterflies. im probably wrong as usual.

You aren't wrong rtsol. Right on the money actually and also i think there may be a difference in the ecu's but im not 100% sure on that one.

Post by **eurosx** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

Nathan wrote:you might be able to get a newer (in years) engine since they were made until 1993?? there? I think I heard somewhere they were...or maybe it was 1994, anyway point is that they were still put in 200sx's until then.

The british never switched to the SR20 like Japan, therefore the CA was used through the entire S13 line.

Post by **eurosx** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

so which is better? the multi-port head or the butterfly?

Post by **Doogz** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

No one is really sure which intake design is better (as far as i know anyway) Alot of ppl in the US rip the butterflies out, but i have also heard that alot of ppl in japan prefer to leave them in. I think the theory behind the butterflies is to help with intake air velocity at low rpms and then they open up at higher rpms to allow better flow. To me it just seems like something else to go wrong and when i get around to it eventually...i'll probly gut em.

Post by **themadscientist** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

well if you rip them out you will have to TIG weld the holes for the butterfly shaft and it will be sluggish down low. They open up when the engine needs it so I would leave them in.

Post by **JDM_1990_S13** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

they help in the intake velocity at low rpms and will help with gas mileage etc...

Post by **paul_s13** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

eurosx wrote:so which is better? the multi-port head or the butterfly?

I've owned both and I would say the UK 4 port is better.

Post by **float_6969** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

Don't you think it just goes to show how advanced the CA motor really was. Almost 15yrs ago nissan designed that motor with a variable intake. Now, the VQ series motor has the EXACT same technology. Longer intake path down low for high velocity air flow for better torque, air/fuel mixture, and gas mileage. In the upper revs, the butterfly opens to allow a shorter intake path for increased flow for higher top end performance. D A M N I love this motor!

Post by **Nathan** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

And that's why it's the engine of choice for everyone here on the CA forum!! Those poor SR guys dont know what their missing out on...

Post by **rogue** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

KS_Honda_Killer wrote:Don't you think it just goes to show how advanced the CA motor really was. Almost 15yrs ago nissan designed that motor with a variable intake. Now, the VQ series motor has the EXACT same technology. Longer intake path down low for high velocity air flow for better torque, air/fuel mixture, and gas mileage. In the upper revs, the butterfly opens to allow a shorter intake path for increased flow for higher top end performance. D A M N I love this motor!

yes, the variable intake was good, but the corolla GTS was using it back in 86 with the TVIS sytem.

Current day 94+ Integra GSR also used this same system.

It gave good low end torque, then nice highend.

Post by **JDM_1990_S13** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

the following is a scan of an article in Sport Compact Car about variable intake runners etc.. 353kb zip file.

SCC Variable Intake Manifold Article

Post by **boost_boy** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

Quote »yes, the variable intake was good, but the corolla GTS was using it back in 86 with the TVIS sytem.[/quote] The CA18DET has been out since 1986 as well in the S12 sylvias and gazelles, so now we're talking 17 years which is well in-line with the 4AGE motors and that's why nissan and toyota still are the iconz in japan. Mitsubishi is the richer of them all and mazda, well mazda is like saturn "A different kind of company".

Post by **slw240sx** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

Quote »well mazda is like saturn "A different kind of company".[/quote]

LOL!!

Post by **undertaker** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

On the subject of nissan variable intakes the early RB20 (R31 skyline) has a more complex system. Called NICS (induction control system) it uses completely separate long/short runners (not siamesed like the CA) and a 12 port head. It has red rocker covers so it looks a bit like a long CA. Early non-intercooled CA's has a completely different manifold with a central mount throttle body and smaller plenum chamber.

Post by **NeedCAforS13** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

I think the ca18de pulsars used the NICS system...thats what it said on the intake mani if i remember it right...

Sean

Post by **boost_boy** » Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:57 pm

Quote » think the ca18de pulsars used the NICS system...thats what it said on the intake mani if i remember it right...[/quote] The older CA16 and CA18's have the multiple runner set up with the funky ports on the head.

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