Enthalpy VS. Greddy E-manage

[92vert240]

I was going to send my ECU to get it tunned in a few months but its $500. The same price as the Greddy E-Manage. Cant you do esentially the same exact thing with the e-manage that Enthalpy does? I was told you can just pick the car, motor etc etc, and click what mods you have from a list and it will tune it. Ide rather do this in case i change something i wont have to keep sending my ECU back and get charged every time. Thanks.

[wzntha]

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[duffman1278]

I don't have an Emanage but I don't think its THAT easy to tune it, thats why theres shops that tune those, along with other stand alone management systems.

[92vert240]

But why can enthalpy tune your car specific to your needs if all he has is the ECU? I may be calling it the wrong thing but im pretty sure it was the E-manage at the store the guy was showing me how you splice it into your ECU harness and you have thousands of options to choose from as far as modifications go. For example, you start with Sr20 (s13,14 or 15) then it would ask you which MAFS? and you had like 15 choices. And so on for other components such as injectors and turbo. I have a FAST stand alone on my GN and its not anything like this. It is very vehicle specific and requires data logging and test and tune. With the e manage it seems like a plug and play sort of deal. Please someone fill me in.

[grenade180sx]

the greddy e manage is a big safc. its still a piggy back, sure it has all the motor selections in it. but you wont be able to tune it unless you can read MAF's maps and all the same **** a standalone uses.

i think you not doing enough reasearch and just getting excited.

my advice get a rom tune(enthalpy or JWT) And a safc to fine tune it.

[240sxvaj]

I was going to send my ECU to get it tunned in a few months but its $500. The same price as the Greddy E-Manage. Cant you do esentially the same exact thing with the e-manage that Enthalpy does? I was told you can just pick the car, motor etc etc, and click what mods you have from a list and it will tune it. Ide rather do this in case i change something i wont have to keep sending my ECU back and get charged every time. Thanks.

i was thinking the same thing too

[inkslingers13]

dont get a e manage... go with the enthalpy man. heard great things about it. the e manage is just a BIG piggy back....

[240sxvaj]

so how many votes for Enthalpy and how many for Greddy E-manage????

[92vert240]

So can someone explain to me how Enthalpy tunes the car w/o the car? And why it wouldnt be the same using an SAFC piggy back system? Yes i am new at this and looking to learn. Thank s.

[John Bristot]

I was just reading about the Enthalpy tune and it seems that you don't have a large selection of what you can use for MAFs. Also it seems that some of the engine years are udner development as well. It looks like you just tell him what you have and then he tunes the ECU for what you have done to your car.

I dunno. I'm thinking about the E-Manage as well. I had a piggy back on my WRx and it was great. It allowed me to do whatever I wanted.

Until I find a bad reason not to get a piggy back then I might go with a Tune from one of these companies.

[homeslicej2]

Reference this thread to help you decide. zerothread/313916 If you go with the e-manage, get the optional ignition harness so you can adjust ignition maps as well, and not just fuel maps. The SAFC only adjust fuel maps, not ignition maps, and therein lies the problem.

[s13_silvia_redtop]

i have an e-manage right now but i have not yet installed it cause my build isnt quite done. i went with the emanage B/c someone offered me a good deal on it, and also i like the fact it has two different settings you can drive with at the flick of a switch, street / drag. you should only get the emanage if you or some one you know, that you can trust, can tune a car well. i like all the extra features it has, and i think it will be just as good.

to clear things up with the easiness of the tuning, it does have a self tuning feature but its not perfect, you do have to do some slight tweaking for perfection. but you will have to buy, i beleive a pressure sensor but im not sure right now.

also i have an extra wiring harness for the ultimate with all three harnesses that you need for more advance tuning with ignition and imjection. so its the main harness injector harness and the ignition harness all in one if anyone wants its for 80 plus shippin.

[Hijacker]

If you're gonna go with the e-manage, get the ultimate. the blue box is not as good as the ulti. The ulti gives more tuning options.

The self tuning function serves to get the car in the ballpark for running. It's a very very conservative mapping feature and you still need to properly get the car dialed in.

Off the shelf tunes are good for plug and play people. I intend on doing a Jim Wolf shelf tune. They're not perfect, as JWT and Enthalpy both use conservative tunes to keep the end user from blowing his car up from lean conditions.

I looked at doing an e-manage ultimate, but by the time I factored in dyno time, harness purchases, and possibly paying someone who knew what they were doing to tune the setup, I decided that an ECU reflash would be cheaper and more reliable. Not necessarily the fastest solution, but I have no experience tuning any kind of system, and there is little information on pre-designed maps out there.

[inkslingers13]

stand alones are always a good way to go, i have the aem ems and its the $hit!

[rustest86]

i personly have an emanage blue. and have had a safc. the emange is like a bigger safc with air flow corrections but has WAY more tunning points. it also does timing and you can change injector duty cycle for a more percise tune. you have to have the injector and timing harness to do those though. it also data logs. changing injectors is easy as typing in the old size and new size, no retuning if you change to bigger ones it automaticly does it. changing MAFs is done in a drop box, just chose the one your using. you can also change to MAPs if you want. thers also ajustments for if you want to run open atmoshpere blow off. and this is just the emanage blue the ultimate is exactly that, ultimate. i also bought the plug and play harness from rhd japan for $130 shipped, which has the main, injector, and timing harness already wired up. the injector and timing harness are $80 for the two. i figured its easier and i can return to stock for $50 more, no wiring.

[Neil]

just get the rom tune.. the emanage ultimate requires dyno time to get it running well at all and its only like $300 less than full standalone, and then you have to find a place to put it. rom tunes or a power-fc won't require any wiring and dont take up the extra space. i used to have a glove box

you can spend the extra $300 on a wideband and have it self-learn but its still not going to be an optimal tune.

for less than half the cost of a JWT/Enthalpy tune there's a company called E-Mance who does rom tunes. They've done a lot of KA-T tunes that people are very happy with, i havent found much user info on their SR tunes but the guy is eager to get his name out. For the $200 I'm going to send my ecu to them and possibly sell my emanage... ive been saying that for weeks though i guess im just hesitant to take my s13 off the road for the few weeks it'd take to get it tuned cuz i still like to drive it once in a while even tho it runs like crap