engine managment quesion....

[turbo2nr]

so many options when it comes to ka and engine managment..

choices:rom tune (enthply/jwt/efi specialist/dl tuning/eccka ppl)biki romemanagesafc+btm+turboxs knock lite

those are what im looking into. i really want to tune my self,

my problems my car is a gay obd2 (97) i can ither get a step down harness obd2>1 or find some one to do a obd2 tune, not likly tho..

putting that aside ...my setup:t04b52lb msd top feed255 pumpadj fprz32 maf

goal:300-320whp11.7:1 a/f

now with the rom tune it safe and most of the time fail proof, i can use my safc to fine tune it..

bikirom~i love it but im scared of it, seems very hands on, i dont want to blow my car up..

emanage~ same story but a little user friendly b/c stock ecu is there to fall back on..

safc/btm/ knocklite/~ poor man fmu basiclly trick the map, pull timing and make sure your sh*t doesnt go into knock mode and pull crazy timing on its own.

questions:how hard is it to tune biki rom, does it come with a base tune that you can modify? ive been reading about efi sysetem, i d/l rom editor, im still messing with some bins i d/l form ecca/ ect.. i know how a ecu works , pulls value from table according to throttl position/load/maf voltagei know about correcting for injector size usink the k constant i believeexpanding tables to 16x16 there by increasing redline and and expanding fuel and ignition values.not to clear on timing values, i was just going to copy a enthply tune bin i have and modify form there.

and emanage, how does it compare, is it indepth in tuning or user friendly?

i know i maynot be to clear but what do you people think about these options?

thanks

[Chezedik]

Emanage is like SAFC+BTM with some other features

SAFC will tell you if you have knock, so you do not need the knock light.

Biki pulls your stock tune from consult, then you have your stock map to adjust.

I am using emanage, and I think it will work like a dream for my goals which are the same as yours, and the setup is similar. No matter what you get you need a wideband though.

If you are going to tune using bin's, you will want to get a ZIF, burner, and an S13 ECU. Also, you will need the adaptor. If you have the ability, that is probably the best way.

[Chezedik]

Oh yeah, and emanage is very easy to use. You can play with the support tool software from mohdparts.com. Also, the Yahoo! group will be very informative to answer your questions. Basically for my money, emanage blue is the most affordable solution at this time, and more powerful than SAFC. Get on board and we can share maps.

[Biggamehit]

very good info.

safc I dosnt have knock feature safcII does and just to let our buddy know. I know u know that chezedik lol.

[turbo2nr]

so the emanage is modifying you stock map to suppot your mods, how is timing determine once you go on boost?

also is correction for bigger injectors the same like with a rom tune?

does the emanage support msd style injectors?

is their a website that has a step by step or a titurol on how to tune a emanage? im intrested in this.

chezedik thanks for the infom i want to get on this emanage too. just need to read up on it a little more.

i will be using a wideband to watch a/f. m thanks for all the help.

[Bosrudorfer]

Whats wrong with OBD-II? I have it and run a tuned SAFC-II currently and dont throw any codes. I have a Emanage blue and will be switching to that since it offers more fine tuning and is more stable.

And dont be a cheap bastard, get your car professional dyno tuned. People invest thousands into parts and nothing into tuning. Look at all the Japanese video's and check how many times they mention "tuning" and engine response.

[turbo2nr]

nuthing wrong with obd2, its just hard to get rom tune for it. i want to use more then just a safc and a wide band to tune, nuthing wrong with it but i want more..

emanage is an option, i plan later to build my motor and upgrade my setup, so i want something i can grow with and learn, i want to tune it myself not for the sake of being cheap, i already invested close to 2g' in my setup, i want to tune so i know whats going on with my car, i dont like to pay someone for something i can learn on my own. i want to be able to do the fuel and ignition maps on my own and tweek and fine tune it as i see fit. you get a certian joy out of doing some thing your self and sit back and say " i did that".

i watch my friends pay money to get their cars professionaly tuned and then when something goes wrong they are stuck in the cold wondering wtf just happened. i dont want to be that person i use my car every day i have to know whats going on with it, yes i want the power but i also want the knowledge that comes with it.

i have watched may race vids and i know power and realiblity is in the tuning. but

[Chezedik]

Yes, I am sorry it is only SAFC2 (and I believe Neo *cough* overpriced *cough*). Emanage can run bigger injectors as it just corrects by changing MAF signal, just like SAFC. It doesn't care whether they are MSD or whatever. It is just changing the pulsewidth, so long as you are not changing to a different impedence. The yahoo group offers a tutorial in it's files section.

[WDRacing]

The Emanage Ultimate seems like a good instrument to me. I have no real use of any Emanage piggy backs, but I've read good things about the ultimate. Like it doesn't twist the airflow signal, it reduces duty cycle at the injector. Plus it tunes for timing as well.

Any of the types of management you mentioned have the same ability to ruin a motor. I've heard seriously good things about BikiRom. If I were staying KAT I'd go with a Biki tune. But I'm not scared...lol.

WD

[Biggamehit]

man NEo just looks cool and totaly is not needed and this comes directly from guys who sell em lol. but hey they aint going to stop selling them. just has that new vaccum lcd screeen deal and tons more mapping points.

[turbo2nr]

the emanage is looking good to me. seems very user friendly once you have a basic understanding of how it works.

how much maps can you store on emanage blue?and how do you switch between the three?

chezedik, cna you link me to the yahoo group so i can read up more on it. if i decide to get it ill be sure to post my maps.

the emanage blue also tunes for ingition with the ignition harnesS?

also is their a harness that sells for the 97 usdm s14 (ka24de obd2)?

[TheOne]

biki FTW! if it works for obd2 ecu's.(which it should)

[turbo2nr]

more info on biki, i tried seaching the biki forums but the topics are more techincal, can someone give the the general functions of biki, and how hard is it to tune it?

[Chezedik]

http://autos.groups.yahoo.com/group/emanage/