Emissions in NY

Discuss the RB20, RB25 and RB26 series engines.
AEntreri
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I'm on the verge of buying an rb26dett, but concerns over getting the car inspected are holding me back. I've read what little information there is about the emissions tests on the forums, and have some conflicting information, most of which I have filtered through, and some confusing things that I hope I can work out with you guys here. I live in New York, and as far as I know, our emissions requirements are less restrictive than those in California. I can see that the rbs are legal there in skylines, that they are most likely legal in 240s, but then I saw a post by MM, stating that the rb26 would only be legal with the transmission that came with it. I'm not sure if this is the same in NY, but that might throw a wrench in my plans. Originally, I wanted to put the 26 in with a 25 transmission and keep the 6 speed until I could buy a 4wd kit from one of several places that are working on them. If the 6 speed has to be in, I'd really rather do all of the work at once, which means that I'll need to know when some of these kits are coming out. "Coming soon" had me excited already, but now I see that it'll have to be a little more specific than that. If all goes well, I'll have the car ready within the month, but the basic timeframe for all of my work is from now until the end of march. Besides all of this, I also heard about about the engine failing the visual test, and if this would apply in NY, and I heard (once) that the smog test would be impossible because there is no hookup for the american testing machines (this made no sense to me...exhaust is exhaust and you could get that from many places). Finally, I need to know about the OBDI/OBDII issue. I'd find out more myself, but I've spent at least 7 hours today reading info on this and it's 5:40 AM now here, so if you guys could hook me up with some of the answers, that'd be awesome. Thanks.


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Real simply, your car is registered as a 4 cylinder and when the guy inspecting it sees a 6 cylinder you fail.

I am unsure about emissions in NY because they dont do them yet in Albany.

To help you out keep all the emissions crap...charcoal canister, catalystic converter.....

That is the extent of my knowledge.

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the basic rule in california if the engine was not offered in the car it is not legal UNLESS you get all the emissions from the vehicle the engine came out of. the only catch...the car had to have been emission certified and sold in the US. which the skyline was not. there are certain restrictions the skyline has to meet before it can be certified in california but those conversions would not cross over to another model vehicle. If you wanted to get it legal here you would have to pay dearly to have it done.

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Not sure how much this will help but I got my SR20 through emissions here in Maryland, however, we dont have a visual inspection. I would assume a RB series engine would run well enough with a cat installed to pass emissions but would fail any sort of visual inspection.

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well, im in westchester county, and we have the same inspection procedure as the city. to tell you the truth, during inspections, we dont give a flying **** whats under the hood as long as the car passes the safety inspection [seat belts, headlights, air bags, brakes, indicator lights, ect ect] and the emmisions inspection [sniffer test on the dyno]

as long as the car is safe and it passes emmisions, your good to go.

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I thought your emission standards in NY were as strict as california. Clearly its not. The sniffer part of my inspections is only a small portion of the smog inspection. we dont do any sort of saftey inspections here though. the whole inspection is purley smog test. check all the components and make sure they are all there and connected, then do the dyno run,followed by functional checks on the emissions components. i.e. timing,fill pipe restrictor,and egr test if its a TSI test.

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the cars put up on the lift, wheels off. check the pads and caliper/wheel cylinder/tie rods/suspension componentsmake sure cat is present/no exhaust leaksno cel/srs lightseatbelts, headlights, marker lights, horn, tire tread depth.run on dyno

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its about a 20-30 minute procedure

if ti a regular customers car that we know is in good condition, well just run it on the dyno and be done with it.

the only reason we pop the hood is to check the oil and coolant so the thing doesnt blow up on the rollers.

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thats including the saftey? ours is about that just for the emissions inspection

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the dyno test is like 10 minutes if you dont mess up on the course and have to start over.

the rest is pretty quick, pop the wheels off check the brakes, the exhaust ect ect. the car does not get plugged in to the machine [ecu] like you guys.

its average 30 mins. could take up to 45 if it doesnt go smoothly.

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that time is from when the car is put up on the lift untill its off the dyno. thats also with someone helping out, like checking the lights and crap while the inspector is looking at the brakes and exhaust, suspension parts. then the wheels are put back on, drop the car, roll it back to the dyno. as the inspector scans the window reg sticker into the computer and it connects to the state, someone will strap the car down for you, run the course, slap the window inspection sticker on, and its done.

if you do everything yourself, its 45 mins.

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what does the dyno do for inspection?

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it simulates a load while driving on it. in california we do it at 2 speeds 2 different loads. first speed is 15mph at 50% load. second speed is 25 mph at 25% load. basically the load is % of what it would take to accelerate the car 3mph per second on a flat surface road.

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oh and while I am driving it on there I have the prob sniffing the exhaust and measuring pollutants

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o so it basically just for measuring pollutants, not like how much hp you got right? :D

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no and our machine does not have the software to measure HP ,but if we dropped down the green back we could.

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That's kinda funny...I met a fellow 240 owner a few days ago that said he runs an emissions place near Atlanta and his machine has the ability to measure hp, but he has never used it. I wonder how much extra he paid for that extra piece of the software. Maybe I can convince him to start running some cheap dyno days :D

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It depends on the analizer manufacturer weather it comes pre equiped with the software. much like weather or not a car comes standard with a/c or not. we have a POS snap-on machine. total hunk of crap. it is the prime example why snap-on got out of smog machine building and sublet the production to someone more qualified.


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