wondering if nico could offer perspective on a few things for skoolllzzzz. Id just like some feed back on these questions.
1) Is discrimination synonymous to racism?
2) Can an individual claim a nationality he/she is not? i.e. a american-born hispanic with parents migrating from mexico claiming to be mexican. (very controversial in socal)
thx guys =D
edit: o yea and i hope admins dont mind
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1. No, racism is a type of discrimination, and discrimination is only part of racism.
2. Technically, you would be of hispanic descent, not mexican, but people can call themselves whatever they want. It's not my place to tell them they can't call themselves mexican if they want to, but I consider them Americans of Hispanic descent.
2. Technically, you would be of hispanic descent, not mexican, but people can call themselves whatever they want. It's not my place to tell them they can't call themselves mexican if they want to, but I consider them Americans of Hispanic descent.
Re: more school stuf.... (S13GUY)
1. No, if I pick a black polo shirt over a white tee shirt when I dress in the morning, I am discriminating between two shirts. I am not being racist against the shirts.
2. If your parents immigrated from a certain country and you're first born in the U.S. then I think you can tell people you're of your parent's nationality. I mean, you may be American but when people look at you, they'll say you're Hispanic - American just being the suffix that follows to further categorize you.
My parents are from Cambodia but I tell people I'm Chinese because I'm if Chinese heritage.
2. If your parents immigrated from a certain country and you're first born in the U.S. then I think you can tell people you're of your parent's nationality. I mean, you may be American but when people look at you, they'll say you're Hispanic - American just being the suffix that follows to further categorize you.
My parents are from Cambodia but I tell people I'm Chinese because I'm if Chinese heritage.
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My mother was born in France (on a U.S. Air Force base). Her mother was born in Germany, grew up in Germany, and has a long line of German heritage. I was born here. I am German. I am also American. My blood is German, and to me, that is what matters. But I also have pride in my American citizenship. So I am both.
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Good answers!
On the second point, I am of Armenian descent, but I don't claim it in any way socially. I am a firm believer that those of us who live here are "Americans", regardless of your descendants, blood, color or culture.
We share a common creed as Americans, and while our nation isn't perfect, it's something to be proud of and defended, just like family.
On the second point, I am of Armenian descent, but I don't claim it in any way socially. I am a firm believer that those of us who live here are "Americans", regardless of your descendants, blood, color or culture.
We share a common creed as Americans, and while our nation isn't perfect, it's something to be proud of and defended, just like family.
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WELL SAID!AZhitman wrote:Good answers!
On the second point, I am of Armenian descent, but I don't claim it in any way socially. I am a firm believer that those of us who live here are "Americans", regardless of your descendants, blood, color or culture.
We share a common creed as Americans, and while our nation isn't perfect, it's something to be proud of and defended, just like family.
That is something I can't understand. I realize we all have a need to feel like we "belong" to a group... or part of certain social/cultural strata, but there is SO much to be proud of when one can claim to be "American". If you are NOT proud of that, then by all means, further yourself from it by adding the Mexican/African/Dominican/German/etc. etc. -American
On a side note... Mexicans that live in Mexico are still technically Mexican-American.
North and South America.... the OTHER Americas!
thnx for the excellent response guys. The reason i asked for feedback on the 1st question is because im gonna be For racial profiling in the airports. Lets get real, discrimination is very useful & effecient tool. I get some nods & agreements on that one so it shouldnt be too hard. BUt the 2nd question is the one which I get bombarded from all sides, people calling me "whitewash" or other such names LOL. I am hispanic of peruvian descent, but I never claim I am peruvian. I was born here and I am proud to be an american citizen. What I don't understand is why people like dividing and excluding themselves from others. They talk of unity and standing stronger together, when they are actually creating a wall, making themselves weaker. I mean if you are enjoying the benefits of this country, shouldn't you be proud that you live in such a place?. I mean if you like the other one so much, move. I am sure you'll find that 2nd,3rd world country wayyy better than this one. This country, imho, is not overrun with rebels and free thinkers. It's overrun with sheep and conformists.
Re: more school stuf.... (S13GUY)
1) No.S13GUY wrote:wondering if nico could offer perspective on a few things for skoolllzzzz. Id just like some feed back on these questions.
1) Is discrimination synonymous to racism?
2) Can an individual claim a nationality he/she is not?
2) I like to tell people I meet that I'm irish, just to **** with them.
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When people ask me where I am from, I politely say "San Jose, CA". Then, when they ask me again ("No, really, where are you from?"), I say "On the West Coast" with a look and tone of voice implying they are idiots for not knowing this factoid. That usually gets the point across!
This country became great because of the melting pot effect. Yes, it is important to remember one's heritage and origins - as an immigrant myself, I recognize that and want to pass that along to my son. BUT, this heritage and background cannot override the fact that I and he are both American now (for me, by naturalization, and for him, by birth.)
So, to be honest, I am always irritated by people who label themselves "CountryOfOrigin-American" and then use that to make some sort of exception for themselves for whatever issue is at hand. Sorry! I cannot agree. We came here to be part of this country and left that other place ... let's start contributing to this, our newly adopted, country and its growth! of course, do remember your heritage and customs and language and religion, etc., and practice these only as long as it does not impact the rights of others to do the same.
Sorry for stepping on anyone's toes in my strong comments here ... please understand that I truly believe this to be one of the major dividing issue facing US citizens today.
Z
This country became great because of the melting pot effect. Yes, it is important to remember one's heritage and origins - as an immigrant myself, I recognize that and want to pass that along to my son. BUT, this heritage and background cannot override the fact that I and he are both American now (for me, by naturalization, and for him, by birth.)
So, to be honest, I am always irritated by people who label themselves "CountryOfOrigin-American" and then use that to make some sort of exception for themselves for whatever issue is at hand. Sorry! I cannot agree. We came here to be part of this country and left that other place ... let's start contributing to this, our newly adopted, country and its growth! of course, do remember your heritage and customs and language and religion, etc., and practice these only as long as it does not impact the rights of others to do the same.
Sorry for stepping on anyone's toes in my strong comments here ... please understand that I truly believe this to be one of the major dividing issue facing US citizens today.
Z
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1. No
2. Who cares it doesn't affect anything and shcoloarships and descrimination laws deal with your ethnicity not your nationality. I tell people that I'm a mutt(German, Irish, Cherokee, Some other Indian, ??, probably somthin else)
2. Who cares it doesn't affect anything and shcoloarships and descrimination laws deal with your ethnicity not your nationality. I tell people that I'm a mutt(German, Irish, Cherokee, Some other Indian, ??, probably somthin else)
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Z - Your post was brilliant. I applaud you (and appreciate your contributions, both here and in society).
S13Guy - I actually did a pretty extensive research project / thesis for my Master's program on profiling by criminal justice agencies, get in touch via email and I'll be glad to share my findings.
Can't send you the actual writings as they're being published (eventually), but i can give you the gist of it.
S13Guy - I actually did a pretty extensive research project / thesis for my Master's program on profiling by criminal justice agencies, get in touch via email and I'll be glad to share my findings.
Can't send you the actual writings as they're being published (eventually), but i can give you the gist of it.
Re: more school stuf.... (S13GUY)
1.NO.
2. YES and NO, unless you claim dual citizenship which is valid in Mexico, this will negate your US citizenship (because the US does not condone dual citizenship I think). Now American means you are from the continent in most places except the US and Canada.. so a mexican or a chilean can be an American and it won't be incorrect... (technicalities, I know... )
2. YES and NO, unless you claim dual citizenship which is valid in Mexico, this will negate your US citizenship (because the US does not condone dual citizenship I think). Now American means you are from the continent in most places except the US and Canada.. so a mexican or a chilean can be an American and it won't be incorrect... (technicalities, I know... )
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I agree.AZhitman wrote:Good answers!
On the second point, I am of Armenian descent, but I don't claim it in any way socially. I am a firm believer that those of us who live here are "Americans", regardless of your descendants, blood, color or culture.
We share a common creed as Americans, and while our nation isn't perfect, it's something to be proud of and defended, just like family.
When people ask me where I'm from, I tell them that I'm american, born and raised. But to answer the question that they're really asking, I say "My father is Lebanese".