frapjap wrote:DAMN! That is a stunning, sexy car!
Not sure about that article - 245KW comes out to roughly 328hp... That's the same rating as the VQ37VHR in the base. I can see the Q30 living on the A Class platform, however.Rogue One wrote:Infiniti Q50 reveals Mercedes link
First evidence of Renault-Nissan's collaboration with Daimler to appear in this week's new Q50
It’s kind of strange that no car-maker has used the name Eau Rogue before.
Given that it’s the name of one of the fastest corners in the world – at the Spa Francorchamps circuit in Belgium -- this title could easily have been snatched up by Porsche or Lamborghini, or just about any other European maker of sports cars.
But as we found out at January’s Detroit motor show, this legendary name has been claimed by Nissan. And for a sports sedan.
However, the Q50 Eau Rogue is no ordinary sedan. Lacquered in a rich Rogue-red body colour and fitted with carbon composite bodywork inspired by Red Bull Racing, this mid-size Infiniti sedan is powered by a 245kW twin-turbo 3.0-litre V6 from Mercedes Benz, showing that the Renault-Nissan collaboration with Daimler is starting to bear some fruit.
The Eau Rogue concept is based on the standard Q50, which goes on sale in Australia later this week, powered by 125kW 2.1-litre turbo-diesel from Mercedes.
And that’s not all this amalgamation has in the pipeline. The new Infiniti Q30 sits on the latest Mercedes A-Class platform. Boasting lines borrowed from the Essence concept car from the 2009 Geneva show, the Q30 will be fitted with a turbocharged four-cylinder Mercedes engine built at its plant in the US. The car will also be assembled in Europe.
Man if that's the case this thing will flop so hard they might as well write off the brand now.RED_DET wrote:Price will be north of the GT-R... guarantee it.
NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Nissan North America, Inc. (NNA) today announced U.S. pricing for the 2015 Nissan GT-R Premium, GT-R Black Edition and GT-R Track Edition*, which have received a number of important performance, exterior and interior enhancements for the 2015 model year. The changes are designed to give GT-R a more refined look and feel without sacrificing one bit of its legendary performance.RED_DET wrote:Price will be north of the GT-R... guarantee it.
The Eau Rogue currently has no defined powerplant, but Infiniti clearly has an idea of what might go under the hood.XenonSE-R wrote:Not sure about that article - 245KW comes out to roughly 328hp... That's the same rating as the VQ37VHR in the base. I can see the Q30 living on the A Class platform, however.
Would be nice, but the GT-R powertrain is designed very specifically for its platform. Given the fact that they're hand assembled and that the Q50 ER should be produced in at least the same numbers as a GT-R, I highly doubt they'd use anything there. It would also guarantee an abysmally high price point for the car and doom its sellability.Rogue One wrote:The Eau Rogue currently has no defined powerplant, but Infiniti clearly has an idea of what might go under the hood.XenonSE-R wrote:Not sure about that article - 245KW comes out to roughly 328hp... That's the same rating as the VQ37VHR in the base. I can see the Q30 living on the A Class platform, however.
"If we built this car I would expect it to feature over 500 hp and 600 lb.ft of torque,” notes Johan de Nysschen, President of Infiniti. “The engine we are evaluating for the Q50 Eau Rogue is a big personality, V-cylinder engine with forced induction. I think our engineers have been waiting for a project like this."
Is this a message to the kids at Mercedes and BMW that Infiniti wants to come out and play?
In terms of accessible performance powerplants currently at Infiniti’s disposal, the company could possibly go with a modified Q50 engine, or they could theoretically borrow a Nissan GTR’s 545 hp twin-turbo V6 and stuff that into the Eau Rogue instead. Carry over some of the other Nurburgring proven performance parts from the GTR and Infiniti could have a serious Euro-fighter on its hands.
It just depends on what market they're aiming for. If they intend for this thing to compete with the Mercedes-Benz E63 AMG S and BMW's M5, then Johan's guesstimation is in the ballpark. Currently the most expensive Q50 is the hybrid, at $50K. With your recommendations, I'd say the Q50 ER could fetch $60K. The Benz and the Bimmer both start at $92K, so If the Q50 ER winds up matching their specs, it could (wishful thinking) come in at just under that.XenonSE-R wrote:...Would be nice, but the GT-R powertrain is designed very specifically for its platform. Given the fact that they're hand assembled and that the Q50 ER should be produced in at least the same numbers as a GT-R, I highly doubt they'd use anything there. It would also guarantee an abysmally high price point for the car and doom its sellability.
Lots of time for them to muddle things. I think they need to go the most cost effective route to keep the price down. I would almost recommend they just go with 450hp/450tq in an effort to keep the pricing attractive. I know Johan said 500/600 but I think that while performance is important, you can't price the car out of its segment either.
To keep the price down they would have to utilize the 7-speed ATESSA system instead of the expensive GT-R dual-clutch 6sp design. Since the current system from the factory can't take more than 450hp +/- without modifications they will have to come out with a beefier transmission option. Car and Driver estimated the cost in the 100k range with it being "hand built"....I don't know if "hand built" refers to the way the motor would be built or the car itself. I would expect just the motor itself, just like the GT-R motors are currently built. Braking and such would need to stay with the current Akebono-style for further cost savings.Sergio@ocinfiniti wrote:For its motivation, Infiniti chose the GT-R's 3.8-liter twin-turbo V6 rated for 568PS (560hp) and 600Nm (592 lb-ft) in this application. The six-cylinder engine works with an all-wheel drive system featuring a 50/50 front-to-rear torque split and a 7-speed transmission to achieve a manufacturer estimated 0-60mph (96km/h) time of less than four seconds, and a top speed near 180mph (290km/h).
I'm rather surprised by the torque figure you're quoting. That's higher than any production version of the GT-R to date. Where are you getting your information?Sergio@ocinfiniti wrote:For its motivation, Infiniti chose the GT-R's 3.8-liter twin-turbo V6 rated for 568PS (560hp) and 600Nm (592 lb-ft) in this application. The six-cylinder engine works with an all-wheel drive system featuring a 50/50 front-to-rear torque split and a 7-speed transmission to achieve a manufacturer estimated 0-60mph (96km/h) time of less than four seconds, and a top speed near 180mph (290km/h).