Eagle Rods for CA engines - LET'S MAKE IT HAPPEN

[nismo.rac3r]

OK everybody listen up... I want to help create or discover an aftermarket for the CA engines. My life is still hectic and time limited, but recently I tried e-mailing Eagle just to see what would happen. Now, a couple of weeks later, they actually responded to me. I can't believe it!!! Sure, it doesn't really mean anything, but the many times I've tried this in the past with other places, always have I been ignored.

Here's the deal: I want forged rods for my CA engines, but I can't afford $800 rods which seem to be the only ones available for us. I'm pretty sure many of you feel the same way, especially since most of you on here are big dog turbo... I want to act on this and make it happen. However, my life is killin me at this time. I still have a lot on me... I NEED HELP. Before anything else, see for yourself...

Apr 9, 2007 10:05 PMnismo.rac3r to [email protected]: I think you should make rods for... Nissan CA18DET

Hello. I am a Nissan enthusiast from multiple Nissan forums,such as http://www.nicoclub.com , and I think it would be really great if your company started making forged rods for the Nissan CA18DET engines. This engine has become quite popular over the past few years, and there are many more people who are still turning towards it to this very day, due to its availability, inexpensive cost, and robust strength. I have been with non-turbo CA engines for almost 10 years now, and they're great, but we have very little aftermarket support. There are many people who are yearning for aftermarket support for the CA engines, and good connecting rods are definitely one the things we all need.

I would like to help lead the way to make this happen. I can tell you for a fact that rod applications would not only be limited to the CA18DET engines, but would also apply to the CA16DE and CA18DE non-turbo engines as well. I have all of these engines and I know most everything there is to know about them. All 3 use the same exact forged crankshaft, and with the exception of the cylinder bore size on the CA16DE, all 3 blocks are exactly the same as well.

Is there anything I can do to make this a serious consideration??? If starting a petition or something of that nature is required, please let me know, and I will make it happen. Thank you for your time.

Sincerely,DAMIAN

Apr 26, 2007 5:03 PMEagle Specialty [email protected] to nismo.rac3rsubject: Re: I think you should make rods for... Nissan CA18DET

Damian, Thanks for your interest. We currently have no plans to produce rods for the CA-series engines. We will watch this market and evaluate if mass-production of rods for it would be feasable. I cannot guarantee anything, but we will take a look at it. Thanks.

Now, my being N/A gives me less aftermarket than you turbo guys, about zero. Please help me help us all!!! I want to start a petition, but I don't know what to do. Everyone please help out, this is an opportunity that doesn't come around. I think at least a petition is a good start. If someone can help out on this or even get it going, I will even return to all other Nissan forums I went MIA from (nothing bad) and get others to join in on this. Please everyone take notice of this... tell a friend, tell a friend to tell a friend, something, anything... LET'S MAKE THIS HAPPEN!!!

[davidricardo86]

I agree! Even though i could'nt use them yet, does'nt mean i wont want to use them down the road. If this would take a few months, i could try and save a bit to go in on a group buy. Put me down on the petition!

Why not just go off of what you already started? Just write down the peoples names on the first post you made and keep editing and updating the petition list!

I only dream of having some affordable aftermarket forged rods for my CA18 so this would be a great opportunity. I think others would get in on it as this would be one of those "get it while its there" type deals. Hopefully not. It would be great if they could continue making and selling them for a while. How many people would actually buy, and would it be cost effective, a smart move, risky, etc. for Eagle? Theres more to it then one would think but it definately sounds like a great idea.

[boost_boy]

It sounds good and all, but this company have been advised of these engines' existence in the past and the same result was yielded. I don't know what market they need to watch, but it's only right in their faces that CA series engines have a cult of followers who actually believe that this is possibly Nissan's best 4 cylinder created to date. The engine's design is 22 years old and they fail to see that the technology used to make this motor is the same technology used to create the RB series motors, as well as the VG DOHC series motors.

It has always been a known fact that CA patrons are generally cheap in the pocket which is what ultimately led most to purchase this motor "Cheapness". But in reality, it's not that cheap at all and if folks knew what they were doing or at least take the time to read-up on some of the info provided from others who have dealt with this engine for along time, they wouldn't be having half of the problems they are having and would be enjoying their purchases even more.

The CA18DET for the most part really doesn't need aftermarket rods to suit the power goals of most of the kids here on NICO. The price of eagle rods are attractive, but the strength of the stock rods are sufficient enough to handle well over 450whp. Again, most will never venture over 300whp which basically tells them they don't need fancy rods that cost more money.

Companies like Pauter, Carillo, and Crower have rods readily available if one wants to get a little fancy with their engines. I personally am a proud owner of a set of Pauter X beam rods that I purchased over 4 years ago at the cost $742 shipped to my door and was the 1st one around here with them. To some that may be a bit pricey, but for the kind of engine I've built, cheap does not fit into the equation and I needed what I felt was one of the best if not the best product available.

So in closing, I appreciate what you're doing, but I truly do believe we've been down this road with this company before and yet, they say the same thing they've said years ago and the difference between now and then is, there are a lot more CA DOHC engine owners around the globe than before. Where as the more expensive companies have recognized our accomplishments with this motor and have opted to make their product available to suit our engines. I commend them and that's why I support them as well. If you are a true CA enthusiast looking for big power with added reliability, then I would turn in the direction of the companies mentioned in bold letters above and not wait around for the Eagle company to do you something cheapy-cheap because they're not interested.

Dee

[davidricardo86]

Spoken like a man of experience! Good point Dee.

[boost_boy]

Spoken like a man of experience! Good point Dee.

Thanks, bro! As stated above been there, done that, not going to happen. You only need to start looking for a fancier rod if you're looking for nasty power upwards of the famous 450whp mark on a continued basis. And for the last time folks, your stock rods should be all that most of you need to have fun. If you have extra money and want to get better performance, the addition of a standalone engine management will be your best start. I can't stress this enough, but maybe some just can't read or either not interested or are just too damn broke for one or they are just content with what they got. Whatever the case guys, making your CA powered cars fast is not a mystery, but if you don't follow those who have been where you're trying to go, then you are on your own and I wish you all the best of luck in your endeavours.

Dee

[float_6969]

I appreciate all of your energy and drive, and it's great to see you trying to do this, but as Dee has stated, I don't think this is going to happen with them. I've emailed them as well in the past and gotten similar responses. Also a petition isn't going to make them do anything. MONEY is going to make them do something. I would guess they are going to want 10-15people with cash deposits before they start making these. Are there 15 CA owners out there that need rods to support the power goals required for after market rods? Maybe, but they're going to be hard to find.

I wish you the best of luck.

Ryan

[boost_boy]

Are there 15 CA owners out there that need rods to support the power goals required for after market rods?

Ryan

Yeah, right !

Dee

[nismo.rac3r]

AAAAaaaaaaaa!!! Damn, that sucks. I have indeed seen many people posting about 300-400 HP on stock internals with no problems, but one of my main concerns was availability. These stock rods can't be bought from the store or dealer even. Also, my mindset is still N/A. I am one of the few on here who is not big dog turbo. Even though I have JDM CA18 which I believe uses the turbo rods, I also have 2 US CA engines which I believe have skinnier, weaker rods. I am not really after mega power, instead my goals are to make my crazy *** experiments work.

I had no idea you guys actually went through this already. Shame on Eagle. It is very good that those other companies actually support us, even though they're expensive. Oh well, time to cut myself off before I get started on another long post. My insane experimentation will continue on. Once I get back to everything and make my discoveries, all significant accomplishments (and failures) will be documented for all to use.

!!!

[r34 gtr]

carillo just comes off the tongue better. carillo. its fun to say. roll that "r" boys! ok, maybe it requires a hanful of beers to truly appreciate. garage paddy made ridiiiculous power on the stock rods, so i dont see the need to upgrade outside of shot peening and cryo treating.

[dash]

yeah, I dunno what this fixation is on aftermarket rods if ya haven't already built a 400hp ca18 - and how big is the market for that ?? Look around.I'm guessing a performance rod for a normally aspirated hi-revver would differ in design from a hi boosted application ?

Miata market way bigger than ca18, have a look at their 'solutions' if u must have rods, quite a few different suppliers cater to them- might be worth approaching. Hell, even a $320 ebay set! Cheap enough ? This thread for example, scroll thru other also.http://forum.miata.net/vb/show...30912

CA18 community would benefit alot more from a "tuner", like uk & the aussies have. Look what their street cars dyno on stock internals.

[nismo.rac3r]

Ehhh... I guess nobody really cares because nobody here has the US rods to deal with like I do. Oh well, whatever. Hey, thanks for this info. Looks interesting... I'm gonna look into this stuff once I get a little free time... Thanks bro!!!