E15 [Additional Ethyl Alcohol proposed to be added to E10 gasoline]

[Q45tech]

The testing by EPA indicates that vehicles produced after 2001 will probably survive E15.

If you drive an older vehicle up to you to contact your Congressman and Senator to STOP this product! Before Fall 2010.

No whinning about injectors, O2, cats, rings failures etc if you cannot prove your political activity.

As Australia found out E15-E20 is one of the best ways to remove old injected cars from the road.

[carfrk666]

so ur saying that the EPA is trying to get us to run E15 and they are only stating that 2001 and newer vehicles will only hopefully be safe to run it? u said probably, what is the probably rate that the EPA is stating will be safe?

i think instead of trying to get rid of injected cars, they should try to get rid of carberated cars and trucks, doesnt that seem logical? but then again that was a major intent with the cash for clunkers and that didnt turn out too well either.

[mcrews]

Modified by mcrews at 8:34 AM 12/5/2009

[paranoidjack]

The easiest way (without prohibitive legislation) to outlaw something has always been to make using it more difficult, "allowing" people to make their own decisions.

This can even be seen in the first century with state leaders charging a head tax to those wishing to practice their own religions (for instance, followers of Muhammad in 7th century Saudi Arabia). It wasn't always outlawed to practice freely - but it became quite a financial hardship to practice as one pleased.

It is no different than what they are doing now. It's a way to punish and regulate without tax, and Tech is exactly right - if we do nothing about it, then it is 90% our fault for not speaking out.

Legislation is not the only way to govern, and there are very sneaky and powerful ways to exert power over people without prohibition or taxation.

As disorganized as most think government is, there are more agendas within those buildings than every university in the United States combined.

[Q45tech]

Ethyl Alcohol is a sneeky way for people [same people who push global warming agenda] to get rid of older cars period.How will you FORCE out old gasoline vehicles if you don't make them self destruct.

[OwnerCS]

NMMA, Engine Manufacturers File Suit on E15 Decision

Engine Products Group Challenges Legal Basis for Partial Waiver
National Marine Manufacturers Association (NMMA) today filed suit in the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit challenging an October 13, 2010 decision by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) to partially approve E15 for a subset of on-highway motor vehicles. NMMA is joining the Outdoor Power Equipment Institute (OPEI), the Alliance of Automobile Manufacturers (AAM) and the Association of International Automobile Manufacturers (AIAM) in a newly-formed coalition—the Engine Products Group (EPG)—in pursuing this legal challenge. Vann Ness Feldman will serve as counsel.

The joint release on the filing is below.

http://www.nmma.org/news.aspx?id=17909

[Q451990]

I wonder if they take donations?

Heath

[TBrack]

Could always just switch to the VK series...

[djwarner]

Are you saying the VK45DE in my '02 Q is compatible with E15?

[TBrack]

The testing by EPA indicates that vehicles produced after 2001 will probably survive E15.

According to this, yes.