Dyno results for Rb26 PT6262 (+ sexy GN pics)

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Long story short:

I replaced my journal bearing GT4067 (.82 T4) with one of the new (air cooled) ball bearing PT6262s (.68 T4). Since I road race mostly I decided to get a slightly smaller turbine housing to try to get as much response out of it as I could. My old turbo used to get full spool around 5200 rpm and the new one gets full boost around 4500 rpm. To be honest I actually expected it to be a little better. I may actually try a .82 AR turbine housing, although it does go against conventional logic, I almost wonder if the .68 is choking it a little bit.

For reference the old 67mm GT40 was definitely a bigger turbo and so I expected I may see a slight loss in power. However the PTE 6262 is one of the new billet series turbos and although it is only 62mm it flows like a much larger compressor and although it is almost the same size as the standard 35r it can flow quite a bit more. In fact there was an Evo with a .8X T3 based 6262 that made almost 800whp and went into the 8s on it!

It actually turns out that the new PT6262 seems to make more power than the old turbo when I run around on my street boost (i.e. 17psi, which is wastegate pressure). At 24psi it likely makes less peak power than the old GT40 did however there is more usable power under the curve and I found that it actually bested the old turbo in 1/4 mph even on 24 psi. At the track I had to let out on my only 17psi pass because the car was got a little twitchy at the top end of the track. But I'm pretty sure it would have trapped somewhere around 126-127. On 24psi it did a new best mph for me of 136. :dblthumb: Overall I have been very happy with it and would definitely recommend it to anyone looking. The journal bearing versions are VERY VERY cost effective!

Here are the overlays. The lower pass was 501whp/375wtq and was made at 17psi. The upper pass was 564whp/441wtq. It was a 24psi spike, however because the dyno load was a little lower than on the street the boost dropped to around 22 by the end of the pass. You can see it in the torque curve a bit. I didn't have my laptop there to make any adjustments but it probably would have made a little more power on the top (likely another 10-20whp and maybe a *touch* more torque). The car is on e85, mustang dyno.:
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As an aside I only made 2 passes because I was really there to tune my buddies crazy a** GN for him. It made 1620 at the tires on ~24psi and e98. :crazy: :crazy: Then an intake valve dropped, but not sure why. It doesn't look like it was a tuning issue (I was tuning it, and there wasn't a hint of detonation and all air fuels looked great), and it doesn't really make sense that the valve would have floated either. But it definitely chewed up a cylinder head and piston. :tisk: I feel bad for my buddy its like we always take 2 steps forward and one step back. Oh well, I guess that is just the name of the game when you create a car that really pushes the envelope.

Here is a nice pic of his setup:
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A fun "for reference" shot. It shows my 4" inlet compressor housing on my turbo next to his. :ohno:
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Nice to see some of the PT turbos on the RB's :) sweet pics and nice numbers :dblthumb:

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Definitely nice numbers!

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Good Lord!

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Awesome numbers! Im going to try E85 on mine or motorsport 109..but do I have to change anything for e85? Heard it destroys fuel lines but idk if its just bs or not..I havent done any research as of yet. Im not running c16 again..just killed a new Bosch sensor and had to get another. I also have a PT turbo...what size is on the Grand Nationals..damn!?THX again for your help on my AEM EMS

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RB26needaparachute wrote:Awesome numbers! Im going to try E85 on mine or motorsport 109..but do I have to change anything for e85? Heard it destroys fuel lines but idk if its just bs or not..I havent done any research as of yet. Im not running c16 again..just killed a new Bosch sensor and had to get another. I also have a PT turbo...what size is on the Grand Nationals..damn!?THX again for your help on my AEM EMS
No problem. Glad to see you eventually got everything worked out and had a chance to get it tuned in. I'm sure you will make some really big numbers with your setup once you bring up the boost and get something other than pump gas in it :naughty:

E85 is a little corrosive. So the "correct" way to convert is really to replace all of the rubber lines with teflon SS lines. However in practice many people just use the stock stuff if they can get away with it. But the bigger issue is that E85 requires about 30% more fuel to make the same power. So many times you will need much bigger injectors, pump(s), and many times lines anyways just to keep up with it. In my case I have 1000s, -6 feed and dual walbros (although I would like to change over to dual boschs). I figured it should hold me over to 600whp. Not sure what size injectors you have now but if you wanted to push your 67mm PT turbo you have now you would need to step up to 1200cc or 1600cc injectors. The simplest route to take is just to use race gas, however you can't beat the price of e85 (even considering the drop in fuel economy).

The GN is a 406ci (~6.7l) small block chevy with SB2 heads... Very similar to a NASCAR setup really. Except setup for forced induction. The turbo is a 106mm billet PTE! IIRC it is rated to around 2500hp :iconeek

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nice numbers man, i cant wait to see what my pt6765 ball bearing turbo does on my new setup

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Good numbers, good trap speed!

For reference, im going to post up my Borg Warner turbo dyno info. I ran the 83/75 (60mm) and the 91/79 (66mm)

Both turbos were ran on my car, identical setup, E70-ish, around 25psi, and on the same mustang dyno

Like the OP experienced, the load on the dyno isnt as much on the street, so you experience the boost falling off

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Booztd 3 wrote:Good numbers, good trap speed!

For reference, im going to post up my Borg Warner turbo dyno info. I ran the 83/75 (60mm) and the 91/79 (66mm)

Both turbos were ran on my car, identical setup, E70-ish, around 25psi, and on the same mustang dyno

Like the OP experienced, the load on the dyno isnt as much on the street, so you experience the boost falling off

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Yea I should probably update the thread as well a little. The same shop that I dyno'd at a few weeks ago was having a dyno day and I went along with a few other people in a local car club. Had a good time. Since none of the local high horse Supras showed up I ended up winning 1st place in the sport compact power adder class and won enough cash to cover the dyno and some other cool stuff! :cool:

This time I had them run my car in the mustang dyno road simulation mode (as opposed to controlled sweep). With the simulated load, it loaded my car much more realistically and I was able to get constant boost level of 24psi. Here is an updated video and sheet of the dyno pull. It ended up making 594 on 24psi across the board. Here is a scan of the sheet. Unfortunately the RPM calibration was a little off so ignore the RPMs and the torque shows a little higher than it should (should be closer to 460ish)... but the horsepower and the power/torque curves are now correct.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XLbMHrw4 ... r_embedded

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Nice

I would have thought after my duno tune that my trap speeds would have increased, however, thats not the case. I was doing all my own self tuning base off logs. The suck part is the place didnt allow me to make a baseline dyno pass before the tuning began.

I believe I've got an alternator going down, because my AF's have been real rich (like 10.0) the last 2 times I went to the track, and I had to take roughly 15% out to correct it back to 11.5. My car was real hard to start sunday at the strip and a jump from a friend helped significantly. Two times my car just shut off at the end of 1st gear after launching. I measured voltage at the bat while idling and it was only 12.5V.

My theory is that since the bat voltage was so low, it wasnt allowing proper spark which was causing the rich condition. I've got the quest 125A alternator Im going to fit up there this week and take it out and see what happens. I'd really like to see some 138mph traps :(

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PS - whats with all those weiners holding their ears........twin tial 44mm open dump FTW.

Here was my 718rwhp dyno....

http://www.youtube.com/user/Booztd3#p/a/u/1/5fwqPIc-yt4

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did the OP's motor have any aftermarket cams?


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