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[Copied and pasted from http://jesda.com/2012/01/10/driven-2000-honda-insight/ ]

I actually enjoyed driving it.

I spend a lot of time on this blog talking about luxury cars, large SUVs, and almost anything over 4000lbs, but here I am extolling the virtues of a two-seater hybrid that rides like a roller skate and looks like a Tic Tac that was left in the microwave for too long.

Have I lost my mind? Possibly, or the maybe Insight managed to win me over.

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It looks like one of those experimental “cars from the future” that you saw on TV shows like Beyond 2000, like a prototype that would never see production.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1z0EjvLw91w[/youtube]

With its diminutive footprint and goofy fender skirts, I got the impression that the first-generation Insight was a project born out of a college engineering class rather than a well-established Japanese automaker. With its obnoxiously cute radio antenna protruding from the roof, I was tempted to ask Greg where the controller was.

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Instead, he handed me a proper set of keys. And thankfully, the Insight is a fully competent, thoughtfully designed car for normal human beings.

It’s hard to believe that something so small and so interesting could get past Honda’s management. It’s even harder to believe that it was sold in the US while gas prices were at their lowest, hovering around 90 cents per gallon here in Missouri.

There’s a little bit of soul in the Insight that loosely reminds me of the legendary Honda CRX. It isn’t quite as sporty, light, or sharp, but it has some of the CRX’s free-wheeling, underdog eagerness. I found myself rooting for it as it quietly climbed to highway speeds.

Yes, it’s slow, taking 10-12 seconds to reach 60 mph, but that’s fine. There’s enough fun around corners to compensate for what it can’t do in a straight line. The light clutch and precise shifter somewhat reminded me of the world’s greatest modern roadster: the Mazda Miata.

For reference, the Insight’s acceleration is on par with most minivans that were on the road at the turn of the century. It’s enough oomph to drive safely and deal with normal traffic, but the only thing you’ll beat in a drag race is a dead donkey.

Speed is somewhat irrelevant when you’re having this much fun flinging it around city blocks and roundabouts, all while paying next to nothing for fuel.

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Up yours, OPEC.

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Under the hood, it looks like your average Honda. There’s a tiny 3-cylinder engine, a small electric motor, and standard accessories. Here in southern Arizona, air conditioning is a necessary option

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The digital gauges go well with the Insight’s futuristic styling, with little light bars that fill in the space where a needle would be and a large digital speedometer that looked like it was plucked from a Formula 1 race car. The “CHRG-ASST” indicator tells you when you’re recharging (with regenerative braking) and when you’re draining the battery for power.

Greenophiles might take this as a challenge. I simply ignored it and hammered the throttle.

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The rest of the interior is standard Honda. There’s power accessories galore, solid switchgear, and respectable ergonomics.

That button out on the left that says “FCD” is for the Fuel Consumption Display. It shows instant and average fuel economy. In the FCD segment display mode, a digital gauge graphically displays your current consumption level. Remember the “ECO” needle in older German cars that went down to zero as you hammered the throttle? It’s kind of like that.

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Automatic climate controls are a nice bonus, completely unexpected in an economy car. While it’s well optioned with auto AC, power mirrors, power door locks, and power windows, the interior itself is full of hard plastics. That’s all pretty forgivable considering the low cost of entry — this was never meant to be an Acura.

Fortunately, the silver control panel spruces up the cockpit and the precisely fitted panels make up for any lack of surface softness. After ten years of motoring, this Insight was free of rattles or irregularities, another example of Honda’s traditionally outstanding build quality.

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This is what came to mind as I rowed through the gears:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FyinD6ZDqeg[/youtube]

The gearing, by the way, is tall, intended for fuel economy rather than stoplight races. It reminded me of my dad’s old 1992 Honda Civic VX, another one of Honda’s sharp-handling fuel sippers. [ http://jesda.com/2011/02/07/50-mpg-spok ... hatchback/ ]

The Phoenix area, aside from some protruding mountains and other bits of scenery, is primarily a flat desert. This little Insight won’t be subjected to hill climbs unless you take it up to Flagstaff. With myself (220lbs) and my friend (280lbs) weighing down the diminutive little car, it didn’t seem to struggle. That’s likely due to the additional torque provided by the electric motor or as Honda likes to call it, “Integrated Motor Assist.”

Once we got moving, it was easy as long as momentum was maintained. Steering was far too light for my preference and it seemed out of place with the Insight’s sporty handling, light clutch, and crisp shifts.

Road trips aren’t exactly a strong point with the short wheelbase, road noise, and bumpy ride, but the Insight excels at local and regional commuting, the kinds of miles you don’t enjoy anyway as you idle in rush hour traffic. Save your gas money and use it to top off your weekend sports car or off-roader. You can have your cake and eat it too.

It’s impossible to mention the insight without bringing up it’s main competitor, the Toyota Prius.

I’ll admit, Toyota’s nasty little sh*tbox is bigger, more practical, and much softer over rough pavement, but it lacks the Honda’s handling prowess and outward charm, and it’s at least 20mpg short of the fuel economy you can achieve in the real world with an Insight, which is just under 70mpg.

If you want to know what it’s like to spend hours in a Toyota Prius, ask my friend Gary who was forced to endure one for 200 miles. It’s a god-awful car for god-awful people who would be better off with bus passes. If you own one of these hideous contraptions, set it on fire and throw yourself in it.
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There’s a belief among us, the automotive collective, the gas-guzzling, wrench-turning, freedom-loving enthusiasts, that the future is one of bleakness, one where the government chokes the joy out of motoring and we’re all forced to take public transportation where poor and diseased people cough and spit on our faces.

I worry too, but the Insight is a glimmer of hope, a shimmer of light that maybe this eco-friendly thing can actually be enjoyable. Subtract weight, add fun.

Let me summarize, in case you’ve skipped over the last few paragraphs: the Honda Insight is fun.

I should mention that the batteries in these cars don’t last forever. Forget about those scare stories warning of $8000 replacement costs. A company called Hybrid ReVolt in Greg’s backyard of Surprise, Arizona did the replacement of all cells for just over $1000. So, at $5000 for the car plus $1000 for the batteries you’re set for another decade of 60mpg, 600-mile-per-tank bliss.

Up yours, OPEC.


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Original MSRP: $19,295 ($1200 for air conditioning)

Powertrain:
1.0L 12-valve 3-cylinder engine (weighs only 124lbs), 67hp / 66lb-ft
Permanent-magnet electric motor
144-volt nickel metal hydride battery array under the rear cargo area
Total output: 73hp / 91 lb-ft
5-speed manual transmission (CVT automatic arrived in 2001)

Braking:
Front disc/rear drum ABS brakes

Economy:
Idle stop mode (transmission in neutral, clutch out, AC off)
Regenerative braking
EPA: 61/70 mpg
Real world fuel economy: 40-65mpg depending on conditions and driving style

Performance:
0-60 acceleration: 11 seconds
Front strut/rear twist beam suspension

Structure and Dimensions:
Aluminum chassis and frame
1850lb curb weight
5 cubic feet rear cargo space (plus 1.5 cubic foot hidden compartment)


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Are those the factory front fenders? I never knew they looked like that.

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Jesda wrote:[Copied and pasted from http://jesda.com/2012/01/10/driven-2000-honda-insight/ ]

but the only thing you’ll beat in a drag race is a dead donkey.
or perhaps a 240SX.... :chuckle:

Great write up Jesda.

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I wasn't aware that those were so cheap!

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Another awesome article. Someone needs to pay this man!

Almost makes me want one. I'll have to keep my eyes open...

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Another awesome review! This makes me want one even more now.

I have seriously thought about getting one of these for a daily driver and then get an M45 or a Titan as well.

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One of the smartest purchases we ever made. $60 in gas per month vs. $600. Not hard to justify the purchase price when you look at it that way. :)

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It wouldn't be so beneficial to us right now since my commute is the longest(13mi). If we eventually move to the area we're planning on though, I could really see it paying off.

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I seen several here in the Albuquerque metro - never seen one for sale though... Everytime I do see one I always think of the cars in the movie Sleeper. Yeah, they look nothing alike, but it pops into my head anyway.

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I drove Bex's a few times. After performing some routine maintenance and learning a little more about them, I was really impressed. They are WAY ahead of their time. Believe it or not, most of the technology for the body (all aluminum and composite) and subframe / suspension (all aluminum) is from the NSX. Super-easy to wrench on, and nearly every serious hypermiling record is held by an Insight.

So, I bought one for me too. :)

Honda lost their a$$ on these cars - The US wasn't ready for a 60mpg car with gas at a buck a gallon.

Now, you're hard-pressed to find one with 200K miles for LESS than $7K.

We went from $670/month in fuel to $68. No lie.

Say what you want about how goofy it is, but none of you would turn down a $600/mo raise. :)

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Now I feel like I have to test drive (or get Jesda to do it for me) one of these:
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AZhitman wrote:
Say what you want about how goofy it is, but none of you would turn down a $600/mo raise. :)
I would. I'd rather go with a $300 raise in an early CRX si (if we're talking hondas) and arrive with a grin on my face than $600 in an Insight, but that's me.

I wouldn't call Insights goofy. They are impressive little cars, but they are very much a niche vehicle. After testdriving a new one up here in PA many years ago where the roads are generally terrible, I felt that jittery ride would get on my nerves quickly with a long commute. I also remember the "low rolling resistance" OEM tires protested loudly at every corner even at low speeds. But while that gas mileage is indeed impressive, one must weigh that against other factors. I had a 68 mile daily commute for 2+ decades. Spending 2-3 hours every weekday in a car, I considered an entertaining driving experience and comfort more important than extracting maximum mpg. I did 14 of those years in a stock 240sx, which I thought was an exceptional commuter.
I think in a warm weather state with smooth roads and better tires, an insight can make a lotta sense, but I don't see it as an ideal long distance commuter here in the northeast.

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Honda does not build standard cars that don't have a fantastic clutch and shifter.

honestly, my Boner shifter in the Civic is the worst I've driven in a manual Honda and still eons better than anything Nissan has thought about. I'm not even gonna mention the atrocious 6 speed in the Spec V's. Oops, I just did.

it's like trying to churn butter with a bag of gravel in there.

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IBCoupe wrote:Now I feel like I have to test drive (or get Jesda to do it for me) one of these:
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I'm curious too. I'd like to see what you think.

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Bubba1 wrote:I think in a warm weather state with smooth roads and better tires, an insight can make a lotta sense, but I don't see it as an ideal long distance commuter here in the northeast.
Agreed. With the condition of most of the roads in the NE, I don't think they would be as popular. I drive about 50 miles round trip when I go to school. It does just fine for me. I wouldn't have any comfort issues driving it anywhere, but a car has to be really horrible for me to be uncomfortable in it (the new Versa sedan seats suck and so do the ones in Greg's mom's CTS).

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Just for fun I crunched some numbers.

In the Seville, overall fuel economy for a typical road trip (7000 miles) would cost me $1177 in fuel at 3.70 per gallon @ 22mpg.
In an Insight, it would be $470 @ 55mpg.
I'd have room for a suitcase and my dog but the dog plus a friend and that friend's luggage would be a challenge.


Now, let's look at my annual mileage, about 45,000 per year.
In the Seville, I'd average about 19mpg overall. That's $8289 in annual fuel costs.
In an Insight at 50mpg, that would be $3150.



That's a whopping $5000 in my pocket each year. What do I do with five grand? Save for retirement? Buy some fancy pants and sweaters?

I'd probably buy another used Cadillac. :)

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Jesda wrote:I'd have room for a suitcase and my dog but the dog plus a friend and that friend's luggage would be a challenge.
Ready for mind-bottling? ;)

The difference in the 2 cars' cargo volume? 2.3 cf.

19.1 vs. 16.3 - no lie.

But, Joel is right - You don't wanna drive one of these in an area with ice / potholes / rough roads. Fortunately, we're blessed with perfect weather and silky-smooth blacktop in the great state of AZ. :)

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BTW- the CR-Z has been a dismal seller, and I can't figure out why. The new engine (we saw it unveiled at SEMA) is going to be ridiculous (IIRC, it was 220+hp and still 50mpg).

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AZhitman wrote:BTW- the CR-Z has been a dismal seller, and I can't figure out why.

I think it's two words: complexity and fun. The charm of the original CRX was its simplicity, and connection with the driver. A bigger percentage, especially the si version, sold with manual trannies. They were fun cars to drive and cheap to own. With the new CR-Z, Honda moved away from that winning formula. It's a pleasant looking car with more hp than ever, but the needless complexity of hybrid technology combined with a bigger percentage sold with a fun-sapping CVT, leaves one with a boring driving appliance. It's a shame.

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you can get the CR-Z with a 6 speed manual.

buuuuut...yeah. I think I'd opt for a CRX instead.

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Jesda wrote:
Now, let's look at my annual mileage, about 45,000 per year.
:orly: :badger

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nissangirl74 wrote:I originally wanted to drive a 2012 Insight to compare the two models but they are so different, I don't think it would be a fair comparison.

2000 - Manual transmission. It's a 2 seater. It gets 61-63 mpg (after about 170,000 miles in mixed driving)

2012 - CVT transmission....ONLY.... :squint: It seats 5. It gets 44 mpg

Old Skool > New Skool

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Got 64.3 mpg on this tank. Last fillup was 5 weeks ago. :)

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Found this link at Insight Central:
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/database/a ... e=V&type=R

In Appendix A are photos of the side impact crash test results. Looks impressive! It's about as straight as my BMW was when it saved my butt a few years back.

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Jesda wrote:Found this link at Insight Central:
http://www-nrd.nhtsa.dot.gov/database/a ... e=V&type=R

In Appendix A are photos of the side impact crash test results. Looks impressive! It's about as straight as my BMW was when it saved my butt a few years back.
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