hello there
im a hard headed guy.cant get my mind off of it..i wanna drift my entire life..i love it..i just cant get enaugh..not that i did enaugh.
i got a 350z and when i bought it, drifting was always in my mind.lately i've been talking to people that know more about me about cars and all that..and they told me that my car is not for drifting, that istoo heavy (but i could get full carbon fiber body kit)too expensive for repairs (well i guess)too expensive for tires (this is insane! JUST TIRES FOR MAX SAKES!)...too expensive for everything
and i was always aware of it.then i thought, well what if i buy an s14
tires with balance would cost about..400 or so less than the z
about now, i make about 3k tops a month, 1k goes for the monthly payments of the z and the rest for living and spending.
MAIN IDEA OF THREAD:
the main idea of this threat is getting statistics of 1) how much money of difference would one spend if dedicate full to drifting, with a 350, and with an s14?
and in the other hand, 2) HOW MUCH WEIGHT COULD BE TAKEN OFF IF FULL FIBER CARBON BODY KIT IS PLACED INTO Z?
I really wanna keep the z, and drift with it..but people tell me im a knuckle head.
3) am I a knuckle head for wanting to keep the z to drift with it?
OPINIONS..AND....GO!
Modified by maku_gx at 10:24 PM 12/18/2006
DRIFTING THE Z BY ALL MEANS! ><!! $ comparison between z and something ch
Re: DRIFTING THE Z BY ALL MEANS! ><!! $ comparison between ... (maku_gx)
a carbon fiber body kit wont do much its a waste of money instead greddy makes a turbo kit. thats a start it also depends on what kind of drifting are going to do?, the reality is that you will trash your 350z if you are serious enough about drifting because thats the only way to learn. 350z it is heavier than an s14 but you can compensate that with power just my 2cents
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evildky
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the weight of the car is dependant on how serious you are about weight loss, you can gut the interior and remove the climate control and sound deadening if you want to reduce weight, of course you can overcome the weight by adding power, the stock 287 or 300 chp is lass than adequate even at lighter weight, then you have to modify the suspension till the car doesn't handle well any more
drifting is the oposite of a motorsport, the fastest time doesn't win, you want to break traction, this takes hard tires and overstiff suspension and an overly tight or welded diff
if thats what you want to do have at it, it's just easier to start with a car that has a solid axle or at the very least a less sophisticated suspension
drifting is the oposite of a motorsport, the fastest time doesn't win, you want to break traction, this takes hard tires and overstiff suspension and an overly tight or welded diff
if thats what you want to do have at it, it's just easier to start with a car that has a solid axle or at the very least a less sophisticated suspension
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TrackReadyPerformance
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Re: (evildky)
one of the best mods you can do is an aftermarket LSD. not only will you have faster acceleration, you will also be faster in the corners. as for drifting, HUGE difference!!! I have driven quite a few Z33s, some with turbo kits, even one with an RB26, and two with after market diffs (one kaaz the other cusco) the 2 with the aftermarket diffs were way more fun to drive, side ways around every corner!! yet very easy to control. I dont think weight is much of a factor.
how I would set it up:Cusco LSD 2-way type MZCoilovers, teins/cusco/N1s with spring 8/10K springsRacing seat: sparco/recaro one piece, light weightsteering wheel: 130mm-140mm, and bring it out a bit
how I would set it up:Cusco LSD 2-way type MZCoilovers, teins/cusco/N1s with spring 8/10K springsRacing seat: sparco/recaro one piece, light weightsteering wheel: 130mm-140mm, and bring it out a bit
Re: DRIFTING THE Z BY ALL MEANS! ><!! $ comparison between ... (maku_gx)
the Z is one of the easiest cars to control in a drift in stock form. Other cars get a little squirly or feel slightly unpredictable or just don't want to quite do what you want them to do.
It has nothing to do with weight. Even the new GTO is pretty good at drifting and it's pretty heavy, but something like a porsche 911 is a pain in the *** to drift because of it's weight distribution. EVO's and STI's are hard to drift because of the AWD. You have to force them to do it
It has nothing to do with weight. Even the new GTO is pretty good at drifting and it's pretty heavy, but something like a porsche 911 is a pain in the *** to drift because of it's weight distribution. EVO's and STI's are hard to drift because of the AWD. You have to force them to do it
Re: (d!ck)
actualy the 911 is an easy car to slide, I track mine once a month or so, comming out of a corner its real easy to slide. check out some of the Ruf vids, they drift the hell out of those cars
Re: (MrAlien)
i was talking about the difference between being able to get a car to drift and being able to easily control a drift
the 911 is very easy to get into a drift, but not the easiest to control once you're in the drift
IMO a good drift car is one that is easy to get into a drift AND easy to control once you're there. Having a slight little more weight at the front of the car helps keep the car easy to control once you're in a drift because it keeps the car anchored better so the tail can flick in different directions more quickly.
Cars with dramatically more weight in the rear usually end up feeling a little more squirly trying to keep the back end in check - unless the car is set up to basically understeer in which case you gotta use a lot of force to get the car to drift in the first place. When the rear breaks away, it has the potential to do so much more severely or in a more unpredictable way. Drifting a car like that can be done, but it's going to take a lot more skill and not necessarily be better
the 911 is very easy to get into a drift, but not the easiest to control once you're in the drift
IMO a good drift car is one that is easy to get into a drift AND easy to control once you're there. Having a slight little more weight at the front of the car helps keep the car easy to control once you're in a drift because it keeps the car anchored better so the tail can flick in different directions more quickly.
Cars with dramatically more weight in the rear usually end up feeling a little more squirly trying to keep the back end in check - unless the car is set up to basically understeer in which case you gotta use a lot of force to get the car to drift in the first place. When the rear breaks away, it has the potential to do so much more severely or in a more unpredictable way. Drifting a car like that can be done, but it's going to take a lot more skill and not necessarily be better
Re: (sentry65)
I beg to differ, having owned many porsches, and racing porsches. the 911 is a very easy car to control even when the tires brake loose. its also a very hard car to spin out in
Re: (MrAlien)
is that with traction control or am I just driving closer to the limit?
Re: (sentry65)
no traction control. If the tires come loose your already driving past the limit of the car.
Re: (MrAlien)
that's what drifting is - when you're past the limit
the 911 is a much crazier car to control beyond the limit because of the engine being as far back as an engine can get makes the tail swing way harder than a car with the weight up front. It's too easy to spin out.
the 911 is setup to drive fast up to the limit, but not really ideal for a drift car once the limits of rear traction have been broken. Most all of the best drift cars are front or mid engined
this is because when you're drifting, your steering inputs are crucial and having more weight up front gives the front more grip to help countersteer the drift. Having the weight off the rear makes the tail a little more reactive and less planted so it's easier to flick out in a controlled way. Having the weight in the rear IMO makes the rear a little more sluggish and stubborn to control in a drift. Then once you take the drift too far, having the weight back there can prevent you from being able to countersteer it to regain control and you'll end up spinning in a severe oversteer
it's not like you can't drift a 911. IMO it's just not the ideal setup for that type of driving, just like for normal road course driving, rear-mid engine is usually ideal
Modified by sentry65 at 2:08 PM 12/21/2006
the 911 is a much crazier car to control beyond the limit because of the engine being as far back as an engine can get makes the tail swing way harder than a car with the weight up front. It's too easy to spin out.
the 911 is setup to drive fast up to the limit, but not really ideal for a drift car once the limits of rear traction have been broken. Most all of the best drift cars are front or mid engined
this is because when you're drifting, your steering inputs are crucial and having more weight up front gives the front more grip to help countersteer the drift. Having the weight off the rear makes the tail a little more reactive and less planted so it's easier to flick out in a controlled way. Having the weight in the rear IMO makes the rear a little more sluggish and stubborn to control in a drift. Then once you take the drift too far, having the weight back there can prevent you from being able to countersteer it to regain control and you'll end up spinning in a severe oversteer
it's not like you can't drift a 911. IMO it's just not the ideal setup for that type of driving, just like for normal road course driving, rear-mid engine is usually ideal
Modified by sentry65 at 2:08 PM 12/21/2006
Re: (sentry65)
yes I know drifting is past the limit, but believe it or not a 911 is fairly easy to control when you go past the limit. now you cant go to far past the limit like in any car.
Re: (MrAlien)
um hi..yes, this is not the howard stern show in which you can just start talking about something else for hrs.
I asked a question and you start talking about porsche drifting..i know its fun but then why theres the option to chat with people and so on.
anyway, I wanna thank nani, evildky, TrackReadyPerformance and sentry65for their really good points on this conversation.
I agree with you guys.I was about to sell my car and change it for an s14, but I've spent some time studying and even i have a couple of friends saying Im crazy i shoulnt be drifting the z, its too expensive blah blah blah, the truth is..
even if i buy an s14 and i wanna prepare it to drift and i do, theres not going to be much difference of money when you think all i have to go thru change the car, the insurance i have to finish paying and problems i'll have to go thru if I sell it.much better keep it, find a 2nd or 3rd job and start working on my z that is an excellent machine..and after so many years of excellent machinery, nissan has come out with such a ..admirable machine.
thats all, thanks.
I asked a question and you start talking about porsche drifting..i know its fun but then why theres the option to chat with people and so on.
anyway, I wanna thank nani, evildky, TrackReadyPerformance and sentry65for their really good points on this conversation.
I agree with you guys.I was about to sell my car and change it for an s14, but I've spent some time studying and even i have a couple of friends saying Im crazy i shoulnt be drifting the z, its too expensive blah blah blah, the truth is..
even if i buy an s14 and i wanna prepare it to drift and i do, theres not going to be much difference of money when you think all i have to go thru change the car, the insurance i have to finish paying and problems i'll have to go thru if I sell it.much better keep it, find a 2nd or 3rd job and start working on my z that is an excellent machine..and after so many years of excellent machinery, nissan has come out with such a ..admirable machine.
thats all, thanks.
Re: (maku_gx)
sorry about the porsche talk
as far as 350z or S14. I like the 350Z for drifting, suspension maybe a racing seat. the LSD up grade is a good idea, I never gave that much thought, but the stock lsd does seem a bit weak on engauging, and you really need a solid 2way to drift
on the other hand the the S14 might be cheaper when it comes to replacing bumpers, fenders, and other boy pieces. those parts are easy to find for the S14s
as far as 350z or S14. I like the 350Z for drifting, suspension maybe a racing seat. the LSD up grade is a good idea, I never gave that much thought, but the stock lsd does seem a bit weak on engauging, and you really need a solid 2way to drift
on the other hand the the S14 might be cheaper when it comes to replacing bumpers, fenders, and other boy pieces. those parts are easy to find for the S14s
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mrsileighty
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http://dailydrifter.com/forums...t=634
download the video....
my friend in the blue 350 only has tie rods, coil-overs, intake, exhaust and says it drifts so easily and very easy to keep sliding
download the video....
my friend in the blue 350 only has tie rods, coil-overs, intake, exhaust and says it drifts so easily and very easy to keep sliding