drifting...... i dont get it.

[t3lh]

Hmmm....what do you think? I repeat, why are there no 911 drifting if skill is so critical? There are plenty that race, probably more than any other single model of car manufactured. And they are certainly fast in their classes.

Hmmmmm.

The 911 is just a pretty rich boy go fast look at me car ( nothing personal).The reason they win is because most classes they run in are ruled in favor of the 911, and they over run the class. Not all seires are like this but most pro classes are.Since you wouldent answer my first question I'll answer it for you.Just because 911 are fast or they win races, it dosent mean anything.Car set up and driver skill are most important, not wether you drive a 911 or not.

[Rex]

What makes you think a 911 has anything at all to do with being a good drifter?

It's tail happy from the moment you drive it off the lot.

Counter point offered: But the spirit of Drifting started with inexpensive light weight cars.

This really belongs in Gen Chat or the drifting sub-forum .

[MagikDragon]

I said nothing of their atheletic abilites or training. I was referring to the activity being discussed and a common theme in the "sports world" that if it has judges (or style points) it's not a sport in the true sense of the word.

I don't doubt the skill and expertise required to do it and I don't doubt the countless hours and dollars necesary to do ti well.

Rex this is nothing toward you...

sport? [spawrt, spohrt] Pronunciation Key - Show IPA Pronunciation –noun1. an athletic activity requiring skill or physical prowess and often of a competitive nature, as racing, baseball, tennis, golf, bowling, wrestling, boxing, hunting, fishing, etc.

find me documentation that says a sport isn't something that is judged and i will retract my statment.

[captainluigi]

i had no idea i would stir such sentiment. my my we are all so passionate about our motorSPORTS arent we? i thank each and every one who responded and now i have a better understanding. still a couple a questions remain; (1) is there any $ to be made as a participant (2) do the judges get paid and if so where do i apply.

[nismofly]

Hmmm....what do you think? I repeat, why are there no 911 drifting if skill is so critical? There are plenty that race, probably more than any other single model of car manufactured. And they are certainly fast in their classes.

Hmmmmm.

you see a lot of 911's in motorsport for several reasons

porsche builds those cars at the factory, you simply tell them what class youre racing and hand them a check for ~$125,000 and theyll deliver a car to you, all you need to do is apply the decals

porsche's factory support program is like no other....its fairly inexpensive to run a 1 or 2 car 911 GT3 cup team, because porsche has so many identical cars the cost per car goes way down compared to say the factory pontiac gto.r's or even the new HLM G35 were sponsoring

etc etc...you get the idea

also like somebody mentioned, why is it that porsches absolutely have to be involved?

a big reason you dont see them a lot in drifting is because being rear engined theyre far less stable for drifting than a front engine car....this is the same reason you dont see many people drifting NSX's or MR2's, a front engine car is naturally better for drifting

Making ill handling cars go sideways is nothing special

every statement youve made, and this one in particular, shows you have absolutely no clue what youre talking about

cars set up for drifting are nearly identical to cars set up for circuit racing...the very small difference between the two...a car set up for drifting has to be stable, an ill handling car would spin out in the blink of an eye at those sort of angles...a tail happy car is the last thing you want to be drifting in

the main difference really is in the differential and in the alignment...the parts are the same

[koukicody]

911 is a great race car...and it can drift... but i still dont understand your argument. EVERYONE knows drifting is slower..it doesnt mean its not fun, and trust me. it takes ALOT of practice and talent to be a professional drifter. and about people not drifitng domestics, there is alot of people who do. its the whole "run what you brung" thing. generally they have the power, but not the handling charteristics you would want for a drift vehicle. but by all means that doesnt mean people dont drift them...... anyways the main point is. drifting, like all motorsports (and yes it IS a motorsport), is all about fun!!!!

now heres some 911 drifting for youhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOehPKsbVaU

[nismofly]

1) is there any $ to be made as a participant (2) do the judges get paid and if so where do i apply.

just like any form of racing, sure theres money to be made, but it takes a LONG time to get to that level

as far as the judges go, theyre all drifters themselves who just happen to judge instead for some reason, like they dont run that particular series

tarzan is a judge for formula D here in the states but his racing resume is quite impressive...he just isnt running this series this season, at least as far as i know (i dont even follow drifting really)

[adrianfromthecastle]

911 is a great race car...and it can drift... but i still dont understand your argument. EVERYONE knows drifting is slower..it doesnt mean its not fun, and trust me. it takes ALOT of practice and talent to be a professional drifter. and about people not drifitng domestics, there is alot of people who do. its the whole "run what you brung" thing. generally they have the power, but not the handling charteristics you would want for a drift vehicle. but by all means that doesnt mean people dont drift them...... anyways the main point is. drifting, like all motorsports (and yes it IS a motorsport), is all about fun!!!!

now heres some 911 drifting for youhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOehPKsbVaU

cool vid, yeah, i was gonna recommend like a BMI video or something, cuz they drift practically anything rear-wheel driven, even ferraris. but i doubt anywone wants to make ferraris and porshe's a d1 car.

[Rex]

Rex this is nothing toward you...

find me documentation that says a sport isn't something that is judged and i will retract my statment.

No offense taken, but just to clarify my point ...

You can compete without it being a sport, and what's been described, as I understand it (not the definition you offered), is a judged competition. Once "interpretating" the results becomes part of deciding the winner/best participant most "sports enthusiasts" consider it to not be a sport. I'm actually indifferent, I was just offering up, that judged events aren't "sports".

[koukicody]

cool vid, yeah, i was gonna recommend like a BMI video or something, cuz they drift practically anything rear-wheel driven, even ferraris. but i doubt anywone wants to make ferraris and porshe's a d1 car.

haha adrian. the cost of upkeep would be insane! especially with a competition drift vehicle

[Ozzie]

Drifting is to racing as synchronized swimming is to competetive swimming.

The minute you have to have judges tells you it's no longer about performance.

Wonder why they never drift 911s if so much skill is evident?

WRONG!!

http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/d/83943

have a look here.. plenty of porsches drifting, including a Cayenne turbo, and a couple of Mercs too.

I haven't tried drifting, but I am not willing to knock it until I try it......

If anyone here bashing on drifting can go out and master it, to the point where they can win competitions, within a month, and still say it takes no skill, I will give them $50....

[FarFetched]

umm... 911's are all wheel drive

Do a little research before making blank statements Cheers!

[FarFetched]

What is his name(Hayden or Rossi I believe), this year GP bike world champ drifted his bike at 120MPH sideways!That's what I call DRIFTING! LOL

[bullittandy]

Quote, originally posted by maxnix » Making ill handling cars go sideways is nothing special

every statement youve made, and this one in particular, shows you have absolutely no clue what youre talking about

That's his (Maxnix) specialty, commenting about subjects that he knows nothing about. I bet he's on the verge of pulling out some arcane, exceedingly verbose quote from someone only he's heard of, telling us that everybody's ignorant/dumb.

P.S. I don't like bullies.