drift issues

[AJ-SPEC]

what's up peeps, I've just started drifting, bone stock w/ open diff and touring tires front and rear. (95 se) I already see that I need better front tires. but I'm supposed to learn with the e-brake 1st, but I think the ebrake sucks, personally. I much prefer clutch kick method, it's a lot easier, and the car seems to go right into the drift. any comments?

drifted about 3-4 times, tires still look good, having fun but starting to want to look like Koguchi already. Undecided now between JIC flt-a2's and Tein drift spec.

[krazy skwerel]

I like the feint drift myself though i suck at it. Im running straight stock as well. I am undecided on my suspension as well. Thinking 'bout picking up an ae86 coupe for drifting only, but thats still way up in the air. :batman

[SWIFT_DRIFT]

I would highly recommend any LSD before you dump the cash for suspension.

[AJ-SPEC]

yeah, I hear it gives you a lot more control. But go with a stock one (240, J30) or a Kaaz?

[574-240sx]

I learned to drift in a friend's AE86. He lived in Japan and became quite good at drifing. I started by slipping the clutch and kicking it sideways. Mow on my 240 I'm learning to e-brake it sidways to start. If you have no money for an LSD just weld together the spider gears in the rear end. Also it may cause unwanted tire wear but who cares you will get sideways easier and longer. Nick

[krazy skwerel]

Well a limited slip was already on my list of stuff I need, but I still don't know what the best suspension setup would be. I auto cross my 240 and don't feel like leaving the stock class which was why I was wanting the 86 to build for drifting only.

[stunt_driver]

go lsd first, it helps out alot, then i would recommand stb and sway bars, and i like feint and braking in the middle of the turn i dont know what it is called tho

[BuudWeizErr]

The one I have learned on is the feint with braking to transfer weight off the rear wheels. I have pulled off some very nice slides with my open diff like that. My attempts thus far at ebrake and clutch kick have been unsuccessful.

We'll see.

[krazy skwerel]

I can pull drifts at the autocross but the whole sustaining the drift is the problem on the long sweepers, that and over corecting I hate that.

[TrueSlide]

welding the spider gears is dumb, thats a cheap drag racing method, not meant for the turns.

[rousie13]

If your getting full coilovers, definately invest in an LSD. I have the open with my Tein HE's and it showed me I desperately need a LSD.

[Cyberkreig]

all the LSD and VLSD swaps seem so complicated. No one seems to be able to go definate answers about what you do and dont need.

[Anand]

if you want to go the cheap route.. use a VLSD out of a J30... it bolts on absolutely perfect! it's a direct swap... and feels awesome!!!

[S13hashiriya]

does the VLSD from a J30 bolt directly to both S13 and S14?

[zion]

Yes depending on the Year. I have an s13 and put a 94 J30 VLSD in mine and it is awsome. For the S14 I am not sure what the year is. You will have to swap the Case Caps on the rear of the Diff. I went ahead an shaved the two posts that are sticking up where the carrier bolts go on the diff as well. More Solid and wont mess up the bushings. All in all it took about 3 to 4 hrs to do the whole swap. Make sure you get the axles with the new diff too...

[D1GP]

whoa whoa you clutch kicking with the stock clutch? wouldn't that burn the hell out of it?while you're learning how to drift, i wouldn't reccomend getting an expensive one (ie kaaz). go to a junk yard and find a cheap oneanother technique you can use is the brake drift. it requires going really fast, hitting the brakes, and steering quick, i believe...

[Onizuka]

whoa whoa you clutch kicking with the stock clutch? wouldn't that burn the hell out of it?

well, sort of, i did it and all i got was a bunch of slippage followed by a sorry arse drift

[S13hashiriya]

yea, you definitely need LSD. Not just for the performance gains, but you need it for going in parking lots, driveways, and other places where the road dips. If you don't go in straight enough, one of your front tires will dip first and the rear wheel opposite that tire may lift in the air and spin freely if you have open diff. The only thing that gets you out of that situation is momentum, but if your car is lowered, you would have slowed down to avoid scraping. If you slowed down too much, you'll be stuck

[AJ-SPEC]

I know a guy who will get me an lsd from a 240, or will give me his if he can't find one, he has an automatic '98. I have been clutch kicking with no problems with the clutch, and have had more successful drifts with this technique. but I'm probably gonna get an lsd next, followed by bushings and a front strut bar to help with a little oversteer.

[AJ-SPEC]

Yes depending on the Year. I have an s13 and put a 94 J30 VLSD in mine and it is awsome. For the S14 I am not sure what the year is. You will have to swap the Case Caps on the rear of the Diff. I went ahead an shaved the two posts that are sticking up where the carrier bolts go on the diff as well. More Solid and wont mess up the bushings. All in all it took about 3 to 4 hrs to do the whole swap. Make sure you get the axles with the new diff too...

why do you say to get the axles with the diff?

[zion]

If you get one from a junk yard is what i was referring to. The bolt pattern for the axles on the S13 is 3 groups of 2 and the one of the J30 Diff that I got was a 5 bolt star pattern. Therefore you need the axles to fit it up to the new diff that you got. The new axles off of the J30 are a little more beefy too.

[stretch240sx]

anand: where did you get your diff? just out of a junk yard?

zion: will the j30 axel match with the rest of an s13 set up or will you have to swap everything out to acomadate(SP?) the new axel and diff?

[Loqi]

The only Things that you need to swap are the axles and the diff. from the cars. The Axles off of the J30 Diff need to go on the car with the new J30 diff also. You will see that they will not match up with the S13. You will have to swap the rear caps though on the diff like I stated before so that the holes will match up on the subframe. Does anyone have pics? It would make this easier...

This is Zion on friends name. sorry...

[stretch240sx]

so all you gotta do is swap the axel and diff for j30 and then put the car for s13 on the j30 diff???

[TomsMR2]

welding the spider gears is dumb, thats a cheap drag racing method, not meant for the turns.

WHAT? id say solid is the best for drifting. lsd would be better for control. the idea is to keep both rear tires spinning at an equal rate.. which is exactly what a welded diff does.

[574-240sx]

WHAT? id say solid is the best for drifting. lsd would be better for control. the idea is to keep both rear tires spinning at an equal rate.. which is exactly what a welded diff does.

I said welding the spider gears are free untill you get enough money to buy an lsd. I makes bad for a daily driver but it does what its suppose to do, drift. Also I love drifing with welded up diffs because its free. Sure its not an LSD but you can drift like crazy with a welded up rear end. Nick

[TrueSlide]

Iam not a drifter, but I still think welding the spider gears is dumb, instead of ppl finding cheap methods to make it easier why dont they just get some skill and do it from there. I doubt any of the videos of the drifting we see, I doubt they weld their spider gears together.

[574-240sx]

Iam not a drifter, but I still think welding the spider gears is dumb, instead of ppl finding cheap methods to make it easier why dont they just get some skill and do it from there. I doubt any of the videos of the drifting we see, I doubt they weld their spider gears together.

Have you had any experience drifting with welded spider gears? It might not be the best method but, it is a cheap alternative. Nick

[D1GP]

The point here is saving money and most people in the drifting videos probably are proz wit da dough